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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Replaced Gigabyte Silent 6800 128 MB with Gainward Bliss 7800GS + 512MB
"Golden Sample", understand that it's actually a GS 7900 PCI converted to AGP. Quite happy with my Athlon XP+ 3200, DDR400 dual channel Epox EP-8RDA PRO and wanted to see if Oblivion would run that much better with a powerful card. I'm using a Zalman ZM400B-APS 400 watt ATX 2.03 power supply. Running twin seagate SATA 1 drives, one Samsung DVD writer and a floppy (hardly ever used these days). Following the Gainward suggested procedure, I pulled out the 6800 and clapped in the 7800GS and restarted. The mobo was ok and initiated windows start, then the display went blank. As an experiment I then booted with Knoppix 5.01 DVD-lo and behold, everything worked as far as I could see. The card was unrecognised, but a default Nvidia driver was used and seemed to give no problems. But what to do about XP ? Send the GS7800 back to Dabs for a refund ? I can't even boot into safe mode, or at least if i try the screen blanks as before. Using a Medion LCD, good spec, 1280x1024 karge frequency range. Any useful suggestions gratefully welcomed Tom |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Put your old video card back in, boot into Windows and do a
complete uninstall of Nvidia's drivers, and uninstall any third party display software you might have (e.g. Powerstrip, RivaTuner etc). Knoppix boots fine, which means the GS+ is ok. More than likely you have residual drivers, utilities or other software that's interfering in WinXP. Also check your motherboard manual and see if any PCI slots share an IRQ with your AGP slot (usually it's PCI slot1). If you have a card in that slot, relocate it. If that doesn't work, try a larger (500W or more) power supply. "Tom Goodman" wrote in message . uk... Replaced Gigabyte Silent 6800 128 MB with Gainward Bliss 7800GS + 512MB "Golden Sample", understand that it's actually a GS 7900 PCI converted to AGP. Quite happy with my Athlon XP+ 3200, DDR400 dual channel Epox EP-8RDA PRO and wanted to see if Oblivion would run that much better with a powerful card. I'm using a Zalman ZM400B-APS 400 watt ATX 2.03 power supply. Running twin seagate SATA 1 drives, one Samsung DVD writer and a floppy (hardly ever used these days). Following the Gainward suggested procedure, I pulled out the 6800 and clapped in the 7800GS and restarted. The mobo was ok and initiated windows start, then the display went blank. As an experiment I then booted with Knoppix 5.01 DVD-lo and behold, everything worked as far as I could see. The card was unrecognised, but a default Nvidia driver was used and seemed to give no problems. But what to do about XP ? Send the GS7800 back to Dabs for a refund ? I can't even boot into safe mode, or at least if i try the screen blanks as before. Using a Medion LCD, good spec, 1280x1024 karge frequency range. Any useful suggestions gratefully welcomed Tom |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Tom,
The mobo was ok and initiated windows start, then the display went blank. Two things; 1) Remove ALL old video drivers BEFORE rebooting with new card installed. 2) Be certain you plug-in the required extra 12v. power connector on end of card. Same card works fine on my Abit IC7-G MoBo, with two RAID0 drives, two IDE drives, a DVD drive, floppy, and WinXP Pro w/SP2. -- Jim Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZASS 6.1, & WinXP Pro w/SP2 http://www.virtual-access.org |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Jim wrote:
Tom, The mobo was ok and initiated windows start, then the display went blank. Two things; 1) Remove ALL old video drivers BEFORE rebooting with new card installed. 2) Be certain you plug-in the required extra 12v. power connector on end of card. Same card works fine on my Abit IC7-G MoBo, with two RAID0 drives, two IDE drives, a DVD drive, floppy, and WinXP Pro w/SP2. Jim, Thanks for the comment. There are two 12v connectors coming from the single card connector & I have connected each to a spare 12v HDD connector on different wiring looms. I was thinking along similar line to those you've suggested. I do have Riva tuner installed...I'll let you know the result. What is your PSU capacity by the way ? Tom |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
EDM wrote:
Put your old video card back in, boot into Windows and do a complete uninstall of Nvidia's drivers, and uninstall any third party display software you might have (e.g. Powerstrip, RivaTuner etc). Knoppix boots fine, which means the GS+ is ok. More than likely you have residual drivers, utilities or other software that's interfering in WinXP. Also check your motherboard manual and see if any PCI slots share an IRQ with your AGP slot (usually it's PCI slot1). If you have a card in that slot, relocate it. If that doesn't work, try a larger (500W or more) power supply. "Tom Goodman" wrote in message . uk... Replaced Gigabyte Silent 6800 128 MB with Gainward Bliss 7800GS + 512MB "Golden Sample", understand that it's actually a GS 7900 PCI converted to AGP. Quite happy with my Athlon XP+ 3200, DDR400 dual channel Epox EP-8RDA PRO and wanted to see if Oblivion would run that much better with a powerful card. I'm using a Zalman ZM400B-APS 400 watt ATX 2.03 power supply. Running twin seagate SATA 1 drives, one Samsung DVD writer and a floppy (hardly ever used these days). Following the Gainward suggested procedure, I pulled out the 6800 and clapped in the 7800GS and restarted. The mobo was ok and initiated windows start, then the display went blank. As an experiment I then booted with Knoppix 5.01 DVD-lo and behold, everything worked as far as I could see. The card was unrecognised, but a default Nvidia driver was used and seemed to give no problems. But what to do about XP ? Send the GS7800 back to Dabs for a refund ? I can't even boot into safe mode, or at least if i try the screen blanks as before. Using a Medion LCD, good spec, 1280x1024 karge frequency range. Any useful suggestions gratefully welcomed Tom EDM, Sounds good; I was thinking-hoping-along those lines. Of course I was using Riva Tuner to tweak the 6800 extra pipes ! I'll post the result tomorrow hopefully. I was pleased that the Bliss card was actually fairly quiet, in fact added no more to the existing faint hum ! Tom. |
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"Tom Goodman" wrote in message . uk...
EDM wrote: Put your old video card back in, boot into Windows and do a complete uninstall of Nvidia's drivers, and uninstall any third party display software you might have (e.g. Powerstrip, RivaTuner etc). Knoppix boots fine, which means the GS+ is ok. More than likely you have residual drivers, utilities or other software that's interfering in WinXP. Also check your motherboard manual and see if any PCI slots share an IRQ with your AGP slot (usually it's PCI slot1). If you have a card in that slot, relocate it. If that doesn't work, try a larger (500W or more) power supply. EDM, Sounds good; I was thinking-hoping-along those lines. Of course I was using Riva Tuner to tweak the 6800 extra pipes ! I'll post the result tomorrow hopefully. I was pleased that the Bliss card was actually fairly quiet, in fact added no more to the existing faint hum ! Tom. Yes, I was plesantly surprised by the lack of fan noise on the GS+. And it runs cool too, case + 8C at idle and case + 18C after extended gaming sessions. Even substantially overclocked (I'm running it at 500/1400) I've yet to see it go over 53C. Just an amazing piece of work from Gainward. As for my brain fart about PCI slot 1, never mind. Right after I posted that message I remembered the card already takes slot 1 for its cooler. :-) |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Tom,
There are two 12v connectors coming from the single card connector & I have connected each to a spare 12v HDD connector on different wiring looms. My Gainward BLISS GeForce 7800 GS+ Silent 512MB AGP only has one, which I put on it's own 12v line. What is your PSU capacity by the way ? PC Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 510 Express/SLi -- Jim Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZASS 6.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP2 http://www.virtual-access.org |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Sorted: The Gainward procedure as in their printed booklet is of course
quite wrong and a very poor effort to put out with an expensive-and excellent card. I had my doubts but followed it just to be on the safe side-they ought to know best. however, following my test with Knoppix, an invaluable tool, I did what Jim, and EDM suggested, which was what I should have done in the first place and what i would have normally done. With 6800 in place, un-installed display drivers, uninstalled Riva Tuner, ran Drivecleaner just on display elements, shut down and fitted 7800GS+. Rebooted into VGA using F8 key, windows detected card, bunged in Gainward CD and installed drivers and utilities. No Problem. All went well and Oblivion now runs sweetly with amazing effects. With the new card in place Oblivion detected a change and put in ultra-high quality settings. Thanks for help folks, I'm very pleased. now to do some benchmarking just for fun. |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
"Tom Goodman" wrote in message . uk...
Sorted: The Gainward procedure as in their printed booklet is of course quite wrong and a very poor effort to put out with an expensive-and excellent card. I had my doubts but followed it just to be on the safe side-they ought to know best. however, following my test with Knoppix, an invaluable tool, I did what Jim, and EDM suggested, which was what I should have done in the first place and what i would have normally done. With 6800 in place, un-installed display drivers, uninstalled Riva Tuner, ran Drivecleaner just on display elements, shut down and fitted 7800GS+. Rebooted into VGA using F8 key, windows detected card, bunged in Gainward CD and installed drivers and utilities. No Problem. All went well and Oblivion now runs sweetly with amazing effects. With the new card in place Oblivion detected a change and put in ultra-high quality settings. Thanks for help folks, I'm very pleased. now to do some benchmarking just for fun. Glad you got it sorted. Try the 91.33 drivers. I got a nearly 10% speed boost over the stock 84.21 on my GS+. Also install Coolbits2. The card has no problems running at 460/1400, and most can hit 500 core with no stability or temperature issues. I'd caution against running Nvidia's automatic overclocking function, which is supposed to find the max o/c. I've read a few reports of permanent damage to cards from using or overusing this function. |
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Bliss 7800+ AGP problem ?
Edm,
Try the 91.33 drivers I've only seen the 91.31 drivers. URL for the 91.33 drivers is??? -- Jim Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZASS 6.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP2 http://www.virtual-access.org |
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