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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
On Tue, 19 May 2009 13:25:48 +0100, Conor wrote:
| In article 7c1e8f60-c5b5-42ee-861f- | , | says... | | "backing up that much stuff was not an option financially." | | Neither is losing it. | | Read before you state the obvious please. Sometimes you have so much | data it's just not possible to back it all up. | | Bull****. Agreed! Nobody can afford to own a drive that holds more data than they can back up. That's like paying so much for a car that you no longer have the money to maintain it. Larc |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
In message "Mike Painter"
was claimed to have wrote: If Seagate or any other drive manufacturer only put out bad product with long warranties they would have been gone years ago. In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. That being said, I do take care to buy drives in small batches and stage them into service so that should I get a batch that all decides to die after 4-6 months in service, I'll have enough time to get one RMA back before the next craps out. OTOH, I've got 10 Seagate drives sitting in customs right now waiting for clearance, and another couple on order from a local supplier, so it's not like I'm ditching Seagate despite the 3-year warranty, they're still on-par or better then the competition, and cheaper too. Seagate has treated me well, both in terms of drive priceerformance and lifespan, as well as the lack of hassle when I have had a drive die. No begging or pleading or digging up years old invoices, just 5 minutes on a web form, ship it out and get a return shipped out a week later (so far always within 15 business days round trip) |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
"DevilsPGD" wrote in message ...
In message "Mike Painter" was claimed to have wrote: If Seagate or any other drive manufacturer only put out bad product with long warranties they would have been gone years ago. In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. That being said, I do take care to buy drives in small batches and stage them into service so that should I get a batch that all decides to die after 4-6 months in service, I'll have enough time to get one RMA back before the next craps out. OTOH, I've got 10 Seagate drives sitting in customs right now waiting for clearance, and another couple on order from a local supplier, so it's not like I'm ditching Seagate despite the 3-year warranty, they're still on-par or better then the competition, and cheaper too. Seagate has treated me well, both in terms of drive priceerformance and lifespan, as well as the lack of hassle when I have had a drive die. No begging or pleading or digging up years old invoices, just 5 minutes on a web form, ship it out and get a return shipped out a week later (so far always within 15 business days round trip) Seagate and other drive manufacturers have (at least) two separate production lines: one for junk (home/soho users) and the other for corporate/server use. This latter production line has much higher quality standards and uses much better components. Long story short, don't even consider drives with 1-3 year warranties. Seagate's higher-end server drives still come with a five year warranty, for good reason. |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
In article , DevilsPGD
says... In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. So you've just countered your own statement. A 5 year warranty is pointless because they either die in the first 6 months or go on for years. -- Conor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
In message was
claimed to have wrote: "DevilsPGD" wrote in message ... In message "Mike Painter" was claimed to have wrote: If Seagate or any other drive manufacturer only put out bad product with long warranties they would have been gone years ago. In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. That being said, I do take care to buy drives in small batches and stage them into service so that should I get a batch that all decides to die after 4-6 months in service, I'll have enough time to get one RMA back before the next craps out. OTOH, I've got 10 Seagate drives sitting in customs right now waiting for clearance, and another couple on order from a local supplier, so it's not like I'm ditching Seagate despite the 3-year warranty, they're still on-par or better then the competition, and cheaper too. Seagate has treated me well, both in terms of drive priceerformance and lifespan, as well as the lack of hassle when I have had a drive die. No begging or pleading or digging up years old invoices, just 5 minutes on a web form, ship it out and get a return shipped out a week later (so far always within 15 business days round trip) Seagate and other drive manufacturers have (at least) two separate production lines: one for junk (home/soho users) and the other for corporate/server use. This latter production line has much higher quality standards and uses much better components. Long story short, don't even consider drives with 1-3 year warranties. Seagate's higher-end server drives still come with a five year warranty, for good reason. I am aware that the consumer grade drives tend to be cheaper and more likely to die, and I agree. However, I disagree completely about buying more expensive drives. You must proceed under the assumption that you *will* experience a drive failure, the only question is one of *when*. If you're storing 5-6TB of data redundantly (9-12TB typical raw storage needed), all other things being equal, you're better off buying cheap drives and having more hot-spares on hand, then shipping off dead drives for RMA as needed. Now all other things are not equal if you're looking at drives with different performance characteristics, different interfaces, etc, but if you're looking at the "RAID edition" or "enterprise edition" version of consumer 7200.11 type drives, go cheap and have hot spares (and possibly cold spares too) so that when a failure occurs, you're closer to recovering. |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
In message Conor
was claimed to have wrote: In article , DevilsPGD says... In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. So you've just countered your own statement. Not at all. A 5 year warranty is pointless because they either die in the first 6 months or go on for years. Bingo -- I was pointing out that although a warranty decrease doesn't fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling about their product, recent experience does, so as a result I'm still buying Seagate. |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
In article , DevilsPGD
says... In message Conor was claimed to have wrote: In article , DevilsPGD says... In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. So you've just countered your own statement. Not at all. Yes you have. Bingo -- I was pointing out that although a warranty decrease doesn't fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling about their product, recent experience does, so as a result I'm still buying Seagate. So to sum up, **** all has changed so what was the point again? -- Conor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
DevilsPGD wrote:
In message Conor was claimed to have wrote: In article , DevilsPGD says... In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. So you've just countered your own statement. Not at all. A 5 year warranty is pointless because they either die in the first 6 months or go on for years. Bingo -- I was pointing out that although a warranty decrease doesn't fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling about their product, recent experience does, so as a result I'm still buying Seagate. All solid state devices are known to fit this profile to a limited extent. The problem is not nearly as bad as in the early days when the difference between a new computer (64k CP/M running at 4.77 MHz) and one burned in for 48 hours might be as much as $1,000.00. |
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Lost 1500 gigs - Thanks Seagate!
In message Conor
was claimed to have wrote: In article , DevilsPGD says... In message Conor was claimed to have wrote: In article , DevilsPGD says... In principle, Seagate dropping from 5 to 3 year warranties doesn't inspire confidence. In practice, mine either die within the first 6 months, or are depreciated and pulled out of service due to need for more capacity before they die. So you've just countered your own statement. Not at all. Yes you have. Bingo -- I was pointing out that although a warranty decrease doesn't fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling about their product, recent experience does, so as a result I'm still buying Seagate. So to sum up, **** all has changed so what was the point again? Seagate is sending a bad message... That's significant. |
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