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AIB Companies To Adopt XGI Volari GPUs?
While not directly related to Nvidia or ATI, the fact that XGI is entering
the consumer graphics industry with its range of Volari GPUs may effect both of the current leaders. hopefully in a positive way, for the end user. God knows we could use some more competition here. Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. now here's the article of the topic: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...923124528.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ASUS, ABIT, Gigabyte, Club3D to Adopt XGI Volari GPUs? by Anton Shilov 09/23/2003 | 12:46 PM There are rumours going around Computex Taipei 2003 exhibition in Taiwan that a number of graphics card makers are seriously considering manufacturing of graphics cards powered by XGI Volari graphics processors. The list of the companies includes the names of tier-one manufacturers, even though there are no official comments from any firms mentioned. As we managed to find out, ASUSTeK Computer, ABIT, Gigabyte Technology, CP Technology and Club3D plan to support XGI in an attempt to successfully enter the graphics cards market this year by adoption of XGI Volari V5 and V8 GPUs. Everybody in the graphics cards market is very interested in the third provider of GPUs since the fierce competition between today's leaders NVIDIA and ATI is not only exhausting for chip companies, but also has a negative impact on their add-in-board partners. Furthermore, only two GPU companies that have practically equal resources may result in a rise of the GPU cartel that totally controls the graphics processors market. Even though it is practically impossible for a new player to enter the market, AIB companies want to give XGI a try. In case XGI manages to be competitive, everyone will benefit from this. Note that the information is totally unofficial and no formal decisions concerning actual graphics cards have been announced yet |
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graphics processing unit wrote:
Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. Hahahahahahaha... Quite funny. Don't remember the Ati Rage Fury MAXX, or the Voodoo 5 5500? Both had twin GPU's... If you dont know what you're talking about, stop posting ;-) Thomas |
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"Thomas" wrote in message news:chbdb.55519$tK5.6217727@zonnet-reader-1... graphics processing unit wrote: Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. Hahahahahahaha... Quite funny. Don't remember the Ati Rage Fury MAXX, or the Voodoo 5 5500? Both had twin GPU's... If you dont know what you're talking about, stop posting ;-) Thomas Bwuhahahahahaha.... I guess you didn't notice that I said *graphics processing unit* and not graphic accelerator or graphics chip. neither the Ati Rage Fury MAXX nor the Voodoo 5 5500 used GPUs with on-chip geometry processing (T&L) |
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graphics processing unit wrote:
I guess you didn't notice that I said *graphics processing unit* and not graphic accelerator or graphics chip. neither the Ati Rage Fury MAXX nor the Voodoo 5 5500 used GPUs with on-chip geometry processing (T&L) The name 'GPU' was simply an invention of NVidia. For me, it's just another name, not another 'thing', hehe. There were many more hardware-related things added to the 'GPU', that didnt change the name, so for me, it's all the same thing, from the Hercules chip to the Ati 9800 ;-) Just added more features, and speed... But at least i see what you mean now ;-) Thomas |
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U comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video graphics processing unit prica:
Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. Voodoo5 5500 in my machine has got 2 VSA100 units... If that isn't GPU, than what is it? Drivers are working properly under any Windows OS (right now using Windows 2000 Pro)... There is one thing that nobody will beat soon... ) Voodoo5 6000... Or, saying another words - 4 CPU's on one board... But, shhhhhh... ) I screwed one CPU, so it isn't working properly... )) And, ATI Rage Fury MAXX had 2 Rage128Pro CPU's (IIRC)... But, problematic drivers... -- "Ruzans li mlijekoo podmazuje ?" upita Fataa drka Zidovu povracu. "Nisam ja nikog bombardiro !" rece coravaco mirise "Ja samo pudingu pozdravlju naklonjenm !" By runf Damir Lukic, a member of hr.comp.hardver FAQ-team |
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"Thomas" wrote in message
news:chbdb.55519$tK5.6217727@zonnet-reader-1... graphics processing unit wrote: Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. Hahahahahahaha... Quite funny. Don't remember the Ati Rage Fury MAXX, or the Voodoo 5 5500? Both had twin GPU's... If you dont know what you're talking about, stop posting ;-) Thomas well and not to mention the new 9800 dual chip cards I read about recently that someones makeing |
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Sapphire built a 9800 MAXX with dual 9800 Pros. Didn't work, but until I
see the volari working I don't think that matters for this comparison : "graphics processing unit" wrote in message .com... While not directly related to Nvidia or ATI, the fact that XGI is entering the consumer graphics industry with its range of Volari GPUs may effect both of the current leaders. hopefully in a positive way, for the end user. God knows we could use some more competition here. Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. now here's the article of the topic: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...923124528.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ASUS, ABIT, Gigabyte, Club3D to Adopt XGI Volari GPUs? by Anton Shilov 09/23/2003 | 12:46 PM There are rumours going around Computex Taipei 2003 exhibition in Taiwan that a number of graphics card makers are seriously considering manufacturing of graphics cards powered by XGI Volari graphics processors. The list of the companies includes the names of tier-one manufacturers, even though there are no official comments from any firms mentioned. As we managed to find out, ASUSTeK Computer, ABIT, Gigabyte Technology, CP Technology and Club3D plan to support XGI in an attempt to successfully enter the graphics cards market this year by adoption of XGI Volari V5 and V8 GPUs. Everybody in the graphics cards market is very interested in the third provider of GPUs since the fierce competition between today's leaders NVIDIA and ATI is not only exhausting for chip companies, but also has a negative impact on their add-in-board partners. Furthermore, only two GPU companies that have practically equal resources may result in a rise of the GPU cartel that totally controls the graphics processors market. Even though it is practically impossible for a new player to enter the market, AIB companies want to give XGI a try. In case XGI manages to be competitive, everyone will benefit from this. Note that the information is totally unofficial and no formal decisions concerning actual graphics cards have been announced yet --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:36:59 GMT, "graphics processing unit"
wrote: While not directly related to Nvidia or ATI, the fact that XGI is entering the consumer graphics industry with its range of Volari GPUs may effect both of the current leaders. hopefully in a positive way, for the end user. God knows we could use some more competition here. "I'll believe it when I see it". There have been a LOT of graphics cards that were supposed to be the next big thing to come along. S3 has done it a handful of times (and again just recently with Delta Chrome), Matrox has done it, BitBoys did it several times without ever having a product, and now we've got XGI. So far none of these cards have managed to compete very effectively with the low-end chips from ATI or nVidia, let alone their high-end stuff. The real key is in getting decent drivers. This is why nVidia took over the graphics world, not by their hardware. nVidia managed to get fast and *stable* drives out for all of their products while 3dfx and ATI were floundering with buggy drivers that were missing features and having either very poor performance or, at best, uneven performance. ATI has since learned from their mistakes and really improved the quality of their drivers, but they are about the only one. Right now there are three players in the graphics market, ATI, nVidia and Intel (with Intel actually been the largest supplier). Most of the world's computer users do VERY well with integrated graphics, and have absolutely ZERO reason to buy an add-in card. That just leaves an extremely small market at the very high-end and a decent sized but very low-margin market in the mid range. If XGI wants to succeed, they need to get a graphics card out for $100 that has stable drivers and that can match or beat whatever nVidia and ATI are selling for ~$125 at the time (right now that would be the GeForceFX 5600 and the Radeon 9600). I ain't holding my breath. I'll be surprised if they ever get stable drivers, let alone within the next 6 months of it's release. And that's just talking about Windows drivers, the situation is likely to be even worse for their Linux drivers if they even bother to make those at all. Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. I'm not. I doubt that it manage to match a GeforceFX 5600 or ATI Radeon 9600, yet it will likely cost a LOT more. It all comes back to drivers, especially for a more complicated design with two graphics processors. Besides that, their claim as being the first consumer card with dual GPUs is REALLY stretching things. They're taking a very narrow view on just what it means to be a consumer card and what it takes to be considered a GPU. Marketing at it's best/worst here. ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca |
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Tony Hill wrote in message t.com...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:36:59 GMT, "graphics processing unit" wrote: While not directly related to Nvidia or ATI, the fact that XGI is entering the consumer graphics industry with its range of Volari GPUs may effect both of the current leaders. hopefully in a positive way, for the end user. God knows we could use some more competition here. "I'll believe it when I see it". There have been a LOT of graphics cards that were supposed to be the next big thing to come along. S3 has done it a handful of times (and again just recently with Delta Chrome), Matrox has done it, BitBoys did it several times without ever having a product, and now we've got XGI. So far none of these cards have managed to compete very effectively with the low-end chips from ATI or nVidia, let alone their high-end stuff. The real key is in getting decent drivers. This is why nVidia took over the graphics world, not by their hardware. nVidia managed to get fast and *stable* drives out for all of their products while 3dfx and ATI were floundering with buggy drivers that were missing features and having either very poor performance or, at best, uneven performance. ATI has since learned from their mistakes and really improved the quality of their drivers, but they are about the only one. Right now there are three players in the graphics market, ATI, nVidia and Intel (with Intel actually been the largest supplier). Most of the world's computer users do VERY well with integrated graphics, and have absolutely ZERO reason to buy an add-in card. That just leaves an extremely small market at the very high-end and a decent sized but very low-margin market in the mid range. If XGI wants to succeed, they need to get a graphics card out for $100 that has stable drivers and that can match or beat whatever nVidia and ATI are selling for ~$125 at the time (right now that would be the GeForceFX 5600 and the Radeon 9600). I ain't holding my breath. I'll be surprised if they ever get stable drivers, let alone within the next 6 months of it's release. And that's just talking about Windows drivers, the situation is likely to be even worse for their Linux drivers if they even bother to make those at all. Personally, I am most excited about the Volari V8 Duo - first *consumer* graphics card configuration to sport twin Grahpics Processing Units. I'm not. I doubt that it manage to match a GeforceFX 5600 or ATI Radeon 9600, yet it will likely cost a LOT more. It all comes back to drivers, especially for a more complicated design with two graphics processors. Besides that, their claim as being the first consumer card with dual GPUs is REALLY stretching things. They're taking a very narrow view on just what it means to be a consumer card and what it takes to be considered a GPU. Marketing at it's best/worst here. ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca I don't see why it is such a stretch. First of all, there are not many companies that make consumer GPUs to begin with. They can be counted on one hand, I believe. And as far as I am aware, none have released a card with more than one GPU, for consumer use. Yeah, there are dozens of cards that use 2 or more GPUs, from a number of companies, for all kinds of highend, non-consumer applications. many of them predate Nvidia's NV10/GeForce256, which was the first working consumer GPU, but *certainly* not the first-ever GPU. that is, a chip with T&L on-chip. Actually I don't just use the term 'GPU' as Nvidia uses it. To myself and to many who use graphics processors, something that takes the geometry processing load OFF the CPU, putting on the graphics chip, that's a 'graphics processor' or graphics processing unit / GPU as Nvidia coined it. The 3Dfx Voodoo chips, including VSA-100s used in Voodoo5 5500 and 6000 did NOT do that at all. Neither did any of the pre-Radeon ATI chips, inluding the duel Rage Fury chips in the MAXX card. And basicly any consumer 3D PC chip before the GeForce256. Any graphics chip that lacks what used to be called 'geometry processing' or what was commenly called T&L in late 1999 when GeForce came out, and is now called Vertex Shading, if it lacks that, it's usually concidered a 3D accelerator or rasterizer, rather than a complete 'graphics processor' or GPU. At least that is the way I have understood things for a long time. On the other hand, I suppose one can argue that any graphics chip, be it 2D or 3D is a 'GPU', anything from a 1990 VGA chip, to a Voodoo1, to the Graphics Synthesizer in the PS2. However it is commen practice in the graphics industry to differentiate between a rasterizer and a complete graphics processor with geometry & lighting (now vertex shading) on board. So therefore, I do not find the marketing of XGI to be outrageous in their claims of having the first duel GPU card for consumer use. Of course, they *will* have to bring Volari to market. it will have to work. in other words "believe when we see it" that still applies. but the specific claim of having the first duel GPU card is not a stretch in and of itself, in my book |
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