New Theory: AMD's CPU Throttling damaged the power supply.

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:10:52 +0100, Benjamin Gawert wrote:


Sky**** is a Dutch ****** that probably even hasn't reached the age of
10. I'm pretty sure is parents are stupid enough to finance his
excursions into a world of idiocy.

Benjamin

He is a Dutch narcissist named Harald Houppermans. He has been posting
crap on internet at least since 2000. He is a *very* amateur programmer
as well as an accomplished PC hardware ****wit. His modus operandi hasn't
changed an iota since 2000.

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:14:19 -0700, John Larkin
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:28:49 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
wrote:

Hello,

I have a new theory how the power supply got damaged:

AMD's X2 3800+ dual core processor has CPU Throttling.

I downloaded a special AMD Software tool called AMD Power Monitor or
something like that.

Which throttles back the CPU when it's idling... then when it needs to do
work the cpu is throttled up.

So on idle the processor will work at 1.0 volts... and then when it's busy
it will work on 2.0 volts... maybe even voltages between it.

These voltages fluctuations occur very rapidly.

Think of it like this:

You turn on the water... you turn off the water... then you turn it on
again... then you turn it off again.

If you do this at the right pace... the water in the tubes will start to
pound on the inner tubing... and sooner or later something is going to
break.

This is probably what is happening inside the electronics.

It will work for a while... but after one or two years of heavy usage...
kiss it goodbye !

Fluctuations in temperature seem to also cause problems for gpu's in
laptops...

Try doing that with your teeth fillings... ouch

Crappy hardware nowadays, me very sorry I bought this crap.

But it is powerfull and with some nice Skybuck experience and knowledge it
might work after all.

So I gotta find a new power supply... and leave the processor at always 2.0
volts to prevent any damage or temperature fluctuations.

Don't know what happens to gpu though... though the 7900 gtx seems to be
able to take quiet a beating... don't know about the components around it on
the motherboard though

You've been warned people =D

Bye,
Skybuck.



How much has this latest fiasco cost you?

John

There is not a single idiot in the world that this guy wouldn't top.

Sure there is; Dimbulb.

The entire gamut range of available CPU throttling cannot damage the
power supply.

He is an utter retard, and should stay OUT of all PC cases. The little
idiot should stay OUT of the goddamned BIOS settings as well.

....and SED.

--
Keith

In article bce1d2f3-1e58-430e-be16-22883e1b6cd7
@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com, says...
On Aug 2, 8:28*am, "Skybuck Flying" wrote:
Hello,

I have a new theory how the power supply got damaged:

AMD's X2 3800+ dual core processor has CPU Throttling.

I downloaded a special AMD Software tool called AMD Power Monitor or
something like that.

Which throttles back the CPU when it's idling... then when it needs to do
work the cpu is throttled up.

So on idle the processor will work at 1.0 volts... and then when it's busy
it will work on 2.0 volts... maybe even voltages between it.

These voltages fluctuations occur very rapidly.

Think of it like this:

You turn on the water... you turn off the water... then you turn it on
again... then you turn it off again.

If you do this at the right pace... the water in the tubes will start to
pound on the inner tubing... and sooner or later something is going to
break.

This is probably what is happening inside the electronics.

It will work for a while... but after one or two years of heavy usage....
kiss it goodbye !

Fluctuations in temperature seem to also cause problems for gpu's in
laptops...

Try doing that with your teeth fillings... ouch

Crappy hardware nowadays, me very sorry I bought this crap.

But it is powerfull and with some nice Skybuck experience and knowledge it
might work after all.

So I gotta find a new power supply... and leave the processor at always 2.0
volts to prevent any damage or temperature fluctuations.

Don't know what happens to gpu though... though the 7900 gtx seems to be
able to take quiet a beating... don't know about the components around it on
the motherboard though

You've been warned people =D

Bye,
* Skybuck.

The clock rate is throttled, not the supply voltage.

If you throttle the clock rate the processor voltage can be as well.
Reducing the clock rate reduces power less than linearly (constant
leakage, which is significant). Reducing the voltage reduces the
power by the square.

--
Keith

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You seem to have a lot of money. Do you work? Who would hire you? What
do you do?

I suspect mommy and daddy are paying for it as he has the prose of a
teenager.

Bingo! He's said as much in previous dreams.

--
Keith

On 3 Aug, 01:33, "Skybuck Flying" wrote:
I disagree with you...

Harddisks shutdown for a long time because of inactivity... or they simply
keep on spinning for a long time...

And when they do spin up, they do so slowly... not abruptly.

Harddisks were designed by IBM.

We all know what happens when you try to take on IBM.

You go down burning in flames ! =D

Bye,
* Skybuck.

Skypuck

Hard disks have a high startup/spinup current, quite a bit more than
normal operating current , a PSU is more likley to fail at start up a
change in throttle on a PSU would be small in comparison


Cub

Skybuck Flying wrote:

In your other posting you said you slowed down the fan. Duh..

Good point.

Slowing down and speeding up fans might lead to power fluctuations as
well...

God Almighty !

FatBytestard wrote:

John Larkin wrote

How much has this latest fiasco cost you?

There is not a single idiot in the world that this guy wouldn't top.

The entire gamut range of available CPU throttling cannot damage the
power supply.

He is an utter retard, and should stay OUT of all PC cases. The little
idiot should stay OUT of the goddamned BIOS settings as well.

For once I can wholeheartedly agreee with you.

Graham

On Aug 3, 7:18*am, krw wrote:
In article bce1d2f3-1e58-430e-be16-22883e1b6cd7
@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 2, 8:28*am, "Skybuck Flying" wrote:
Hello,

I have a new theory how the power supply got damaged:

AMD's X2 3800+ dual core processor has CPU Throttling.

I downloaded a special AMD Software tool called AMD Power Monitor or
something like that.

Which throttles back the CPU when it's idling... then when it needs to do
work the cpu is throttled up.

So on idle the processor will work at 1.0 volts... and then when it's busy
it will work on 2.0 volts... maybe even voltages between it.

These voltages fluctuations occur very rapidly.

Think of it like this:

You turn on the water... you turn off the water... then you turn it on
again... then you turn it off again.

If you do this at the right pace... the water in the tubes will start to
pound on the inner tubing... and sooner or later something is going to
break.

This is probably what is happening inside the electronics.

It will work for a while... but after one or two years of heavy usage....
kiss it goodbye !

Fluctuations in temperature seem to also cause problems for gpu's in
laptops...

Try doing that with your teeth fillings... ouch

Crappy hardware nowadays, me very sorry I bought this crap.

But it is powerfull and with some nice Skybuck experience and knowledge it
might work after all.

So I gotta find a new power supply... and leave the processor at always 2.0
volts to prevent any damage or temperature fluctuations.

Don't know what happens to gpu though... though the 7900 gtx seems to be
able to take quiet a beating... don't know about the components around it on
the motherboard though

You've been warned people =D

Bye,
* Skybuck.

The clock rate is throttled, not the supply voltage.

If you throttle the clock rate the processor voltage can be as well. *
Reducing the clock rate reduces power less than linearly (constant
leakage, which is significant). *Reducing the voltage reduces the
power by the square.

--
Keith

I don't see this being done on desktop CPUs.

wrote:

krw wrote:

If you throttle the clock rate the processor voltage can be as well.
Reducing the clock rate reduces power less than linearly (constant
leakage, which is significant). Reducing the voltage reduces the
power by the square.

I don't see this being done on desktop CPUs.

Some desktop mobos will AIUI correctly configure mobile CPUs.

Graham

In article 89e2bb05-de94-4451-bb61-aae9b91fa732
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On Aug 3, 7:18*am, krw wrote:
In article bce1d2f3-1e58-430e-be16-22883e1b6cd7
@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com, says...



On Aug 2, 8:28*am, "Skybuck Flying" wrote:
Hello,

I have a new theory how the power supply got damaged:

AMD's X2 3800+ dual core processor has CPU Throttling.

I downloaded a special AMD Software tool called AMD Power Monitor or
something like that.

Which throttles back the CPU when it's idling... then when it needs to do
work the cpu is throttled up.

So on idle the processor will work at 1.0 volts... and then when it's busy
it will work on 2.0 volts... maybe even voltages between it.

These voltages fluctuations occur very rapidly.

Think of it like this:

You turn on the water... you turn off the water... then you turn it on
again... then you turn it off again.

If you do this at the right pace... the water in the tubes will start to
pound on the inner tubing... and sooner or later something is going to
break.

This is probably what is happening inside the electronics.

It will work for a while... but after one or two years of heavy usage...
kiss it goodbye !

Fluctuations in temperature seem to also cause problems for gpu's in
laptops...

Try doing that with your teeth fillings... ouch

Crappy hardware nowadays, me very sorry I bought this crap.

But it is powerfull and with some nice Skybuck experience and knowledge it
might work after all.

So I gotta find a new power supply... and leave the processor at always 2.0
volts to prevent any damage or temperature fluctuations.

Don't know what happens to gpu though... though the 7900 gtx seems to be
able to take quiet a beating... don't know about the components around it on
the motherboard though

You've been warned people =D

Bye,
* Skybuck.

The clock rate is throttled, not the supply voltage.

If you throttle the clock rate the processor voltage can be as well. *
Reducing the clock rate reduces power less than linearly (constant
leakage, which is significant). *Reducing the voltage reduces the
power by the square.

--
Keith

I don't see this being done on desktop CPUs.

Have you looked? AFAIK, the Apple G5 PowerMac did. ...at least
they sure demanded the support for it. Everyone else was going the
same way because of the ridiculous heat the processors were throwing
out.

--
Keith