ATI newbie (coming from NVidia) question !

"Pluvious" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:44:20 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:07:02 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:43:35 GMT, "First of One"
wrote:

Don't use the Omega drivers unless you have a problem with the
standard
Catalysts.

Why would you say this? The Omega drivers are better then the
official
ones IMHO.

Pluvious

Ever hear of the expression "If it aint brock, don't fix it!"??

Not all Omega users have had zero problems. Omegas aren't made from
scratch, they are simply hacked together drivers made of a mix and
mash
of
newer and older files.

Do a google search for "omega drivers" and see what I mean.

Once you install them you may or may not have a hard time getting rid
of
them if they cause problems. My suggestion is to do either a complete
back,up before trying them or at least do a system restore point
backup
before you install them. Any problems with them may not be apparent
at
first. They may show up at a later time with a newer game.



You are completely mistaken. Any "problems" are from people not
following instuctions or having a badly tuned rig. Might I suggest you
read up on his site http://www.omegadrivers.net/ and note this
paragraph:

}The Omega Drivers have been recognized by ATI as the best moddeed
drivers in the internet!

Here is a quote from Terry Makedon when he was interviewed by a German
Magazine:

"ATI supports the enthusiast community wholly. Omega Drivers are in
fact a good example of ATI's user community at its best. What they are
in principle are CATALYST drivers with different settings enabled via
registry keys and other such methods. This provides users an
alternative to ATI's CATALYST default settings. While there are a few
different modification drivers out in the community our relationship
with the creator of the Omega Drivers is of the highest working
standard. The author of these drivers is part of the CATALYST beta
driver testing team, and also in direct contact with ATI. In fact we
would go so far as to say that if a user chooses to go the mod driver
route, they go with the Omega Drivers." {

Do a search for "uninstalling omega drivers" and see what you find.

I personally do not use them so could care less but I am interested in
what
your or Omega's defenition of "modded" means exactly. Since you seem to
be
knowledgable in this area, could you elaborate?

I still say, if it's not broke then why risk breaking it with the
Omegas?

If you are having problems then by all means, knock yourself out but do a
backup first. Just my advice.

Im glad that there are people here who are excited about the Omega
drivers
but surely you do not have a problem with people voicing an opposing view
or
opinion right?


I have no problem with people voicing an opposing view at all. I just
wonder how someone who doesn't use them can proclaim them to be
dangerous or 'unsafe'.

Very Simple...I can read. I presume you can also right?

And I have been in this newsgroup for a very...very long time. Long enough
to know that the Omegas drivers are not as fantastic as some would like to
hype them up to be. YMMV.

I have been in the PC biz a long time. CGA, EGA, VGA, Tseng ET4000,
Rendition, 3Dfx, Rage3D, S3 Etc Etc. Been there and done that. I have been
a strong supporter of ATi even when it was crap.

As far as the Omega's are concerned, You don't have to be in a train crash
to know you do not want to be in one. It all goes back to what I said
before. If it ain't broke, why fix it? If you use them anyway, at least
backup.

BTW, are you going to answer my question or not? What is your defenition
of "modded" drivers? If your not sure then why not just say so?

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:13:03 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:44:20 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:07:02 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:43:35 GMT, "First of One"
wrote:

Don't use the Omega drivers unless you have a problem with the
standard
Catalysts.

Why would you say this? The Omega drivers are better then the
official
ones IMHO.

Pluvious

Ever hear of the expression "If it aint brock, don't fix it!"??

Not all Omega users have had zero problems. Omegas aren't made from
scratch, they are simply hacked together drivers made of a mix and
mash
of
newer and older files.

Do a google search for "omega drivers" and see what I mean.

Once you install them you may or may not have a hard time getting rid
of
them if they cause problems. My suggestion is to do either a complete
back,up before trying them or at least do a system restore point
backup
before you install them. Any problems with them may not be apparent
at
first. They may show up at a later time with a newer game.



You are completely mistaken. Any "problems" are from people not
following instuctions or having a badly tuned rig. Might I suggest you
read up on his site http://www.omegadrivers.net/ and note this
paragraph:

}The Omega Drivers have been recognized by ATI as the best moddeed
drivers in the internet!

Here is a quote from Terry Makedon when he was interviewed by a German
Magazine:

"ATI supports the enthusiast community wholly. Omega Drivers are in
fact a good example of ATI's user community at its best. What they are
in principle are CATALYST drivers with different settings enabled via
registry keys and other such methods. This provides users an
alternative to ATI's CATALYST default settings. While there are a few
different modification drivers out in the community our relationship
with the creator of the Omega Drivers is of the highest working
standard. The author of these drivers is part of the CATALYST beta
driver testing team, and also in direct contact with ATI. In fact we
would go so far as to say that if a user chooses to go the mod driver
route, they go with the Omega Drivers." {

Do a search for "uninstalling omega drivers" and see what you find.

I personally do not use them so could care less but I am interested in
what
your or Omega's defenition of "modded" means exactly. Since you seem to
be
knowledgable in this area, could you elaborate?

I still say, if it's not broke then why risk breaking it with the
Omegas?

If you are having problems then by all means, knock yourself out but do a
backup first. Just my advice.

Im glad that there are people here who are excited about the Omega
drivers
but surely you do not have a problem with people voicing an opposing view
or
opinion right?


I have no problem with people voicing an opposing view at all. I just
wonder how someone who doesn't use them can proclaim them to be
dangerous or 'unsafe'.

Very Simple...I can read. I presume you can also right?


No need to be a smart ass. You trying to start something..?

And I have been in this newsgroup for a very...very long time. Long enough
to know that the Omegas drivers are not as fantastic as some would like to
hype them up to be. YMMV.


And I've stated before.. IMHO, many times.

I have been in the PC biz a long time. CGA, EGA, VGA, Tseng ET4000,
Rendition, 3Dfx, Rage3D, S3 Etc Etc. Been there and done that. I have been
a strong supporter of ATi even when it was crap.


...isn't that special.

As far as the Omega's are concerned, You don't have to be in a train crash
to know you do not want to be in one. It all goes back to what I said
before. If it ain't broke, why fix it? If you use them anyway, at least
backup.


That's the point.. they are an improvement over the generic ATI CAT's.
If they wheren't why would I bother using them? Omega has taken GAMERS
point of view and tweaked the drivers for that type of user. The basic
drivers are just that.. basic.

BTW, are you going to answer my question or not? What is your defenition
of "modded" drivers? If your not sure then why not just say so?


I'm not interested in getting in an argument with you. I've based my
view of Omegas drivers by how well they work on my systems. I've
noticed an improvement in image quality and in some cases smoother
game play. For me they are a lot easier to install and update as well.


Pluvious

"Pluvious" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:13:03 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:44:20 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:07:02 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:43:35 GMT, "First of One"

wrote:

Don't use the Omega drivers unless you have a problem with the
standard
Catalysts.

Why would you say this? The Omega drivers are better then the
official
ones IMHO.

Pluvious

Ever hear of the expression "If it aint brock, don't fix it!"??

Not all Omega users have had zero problems. Omegas aren't made
from
scratch, they are simply hacked together drivers made of a mix and
mash
of
newer and older files.

Do a google search for "omega drivers" and see what I mean.

Once you install them you may or may not have a hard time getting
rid
of
them if they cause problems. My suggestion is to do either a
complete
back,up before trying them or at least do a system restore point
backup
before you install them. Any problems with them may not be
apparent
at
first. They may show up at a later time with a newer game.



You are completely mistaken. Any "problems" are from people not
following instuctions or having a badly tuned rig. Might I suggest
you
read up on his site http://www.omegadrivers.net/ and note this
paragraph:

}The Omega Drivers have been recognized by ATI as the best moddeed
drivers in the internet!

Here is a quote from Terry Makedon when he was interviewed by a
German
Magazine:

"ATI supports the enthusiast community wholly. Omega Drivers are in
fact a good example of ATI's user community at its best. What they
are
in principle are CATALYST drivers with different settings enabled
via
registry keys and other such methods. This provides users an
alternative to ATI's CATALYST default settings. While there are a
few
different modification drivers out in the community our relationship
with the creator of the Omega Drivers is of the highest working
standard. The author of these drivers is part of the CATALYST beta
driver testing team, and also in direct contact with ATI. In fact we
would go so far as to say that if a user chooses to go the mod
driver
route, they go with the Omega Drivers." {

Do a search for "uninstalling omega drivers" and see what you find.

I personally do not use them so could care less but I am interested in
what
your or Omega's defenition of "modded" means exactly. Since you seem
to
be
knowledgable in this area, could you elaborate?

I still say, if it's not broke then why risk breaking it with the
Omegas?

If you are having problems then by all means, knock yourself out but
do a
backup first. Just my advice.

Im glad that there are people here who are excited about the Omega
drivers
but surely you do not have a problem with people voicing an opposing
view
or
opinion right?


I have no problem with people voicing an opposing view at all. I just
wonder how someone who doesn't use them can proclaim them to be
dangerous or 'unsafe'.

Very Simple...I can read. I presume you can also right?


No need to be a smart ass. You trying to start something..?

And I have been in this newsgroup for a very...very long time. Long
enough
to know that the Omegas drivers are not as fantastic as some would like
to
hype them up to be. YMMV.


And I've stated before.. IMHO, many times.

I have been in the PC biz a long time. CGA, EGA, VGA, Tseng ET4000,
Rendition, 3Dfx, Rage3D, S3 Etc Etc. Been there and done that. I have
been
a strong supporter of ATi even when it was crap.


..isn't that special.

As far as the Omega's are concerned, You don't have to be in a train
crash
to know you do not want to be in one. It all goes back to what I said
before. If it ain't broke, why fix it? If you use them anyway, at least
backup.


That's the point.. they are an improvement over the generic ATI CAT's.
If they wheren't why would I bother using them? Omega has taken GAMERS
point of view and tweaked the drivers for that type of user. The basic
drivers are just that.. basic.

BTW, are you going to answer my question or not? What is your
defenition
of "modded" drivers? If your not sure then why not just say so?


I'm not interested in getting in an argument with you. I've based my
view of Omegas drivers by how well they work on my systems. I've
noticed an improvement in image quality and in some cases smoother
game play. For me they are a lot easier to install and update as well.

For the record, YOU are the one that started with the smart ass comments so
don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.

And I see that you have sideskirted my question for a second time.

You remind me that opinions are worth exactly what you pay for them.

Good day.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:28:07 GMT, Pluvious
wrote:

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:13:03 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:44:20 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:07:02 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote:

"Pluvious" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:43:35 GMT, "First of One"
wrote:

Don't use the Omega drivers unless you have a problem with the
standard
Catalysts.

Why would you say this? The Omega drivers are better then the
official
ones IMHO.

Pluvious

Ever hear of the expression "If it aint brock, don't fix it!"??

Not all Omega users have had zero problems. Omegas aren't made from
scratch, they are simply hacked together drivers made of a mix and
mash
of
newer and older files.

Do a google search for "omega drivers" and see what I mean.

Once you install them you may or may not have a hard time getting rid
of
them if they cause problems. My suggestion is to do either a complete
back,up before trying them or at least do a system restore point
backup
before you install them. Any problems with them may not be apparent
at
first. They may show up at a later time with a newer game.



You are completely mistaken. Any "problems" are from people not
following instuctions or having a badly tuned rig. Might I suggest you
read up on his site http://www.omegadrivers.net/ and note this
paragraph:

}The Omega Drivers have been recognized by ATI as the best moddeed
drivers in the internet!

Here is a quote from Terry Makedon when he was interviewed by a German
Magazine:

"ATI supports the enthusiast community wholly. Omega Drivers are in
fact a good example of ATI's user community at its best. What they are
in principle are CATALYST drivers with different settings enabled via
registry keys and other such methods. This provides users an
alternative to ATI's CATALYST default settings. While there are a few
different modification drivers out in the community our relationship
with the creator of the Omega Drivers is of the highest working
standard. The author of these drivers is part of the CATALYST beta
driver testing team, and also in direct contact with ATI. In fact we
would go so far as to say that if a user chooses to go the mod driver
route, they go with the Omega Drivers." {

Do a search for "uninstalling omega drivers" and see what you find.

I personally do not use them so could care less but I am interested in
what
your or Omega's defenition of "modded" means exactly. Since you seem to
be
knowledgable in this area, could you elaborate?

I still say, if it's not broke then why risk breaking it with the
Omegas?

If you are having problems then by all means, knock yourself out but do a
backup first. Just my advice.

Im glad that there are people here who are excited about the Omega
drivers
but surely you do not have a problem with people voicing an opposing view
or
opinion right?


I have no problem with people voicing an opposing view at all. I just
wonder how someone who doesn't use them can proclaim them to be
dangerous or 'unsafe'.

Very Simple...I can read. I presume you can also right?


No need to be a smart ass. You trying to start something..?

And I have been in this newsgroup for a very...very long time. Long enough
to know that the Omegas drivers are not as fantastic as some would like to
hype them up to be. YMMV.


And I've stated before.. IMHO, many times.

I have been in the PC biz a long time. CGA, EGA, VGA, Tseng ET4000,
Rendition, 3Dfx, Rage3D, S3 Etc Etc. Been there and done that. I have been
a strong supporter of ATi even when it was crap.


..isn't that special.

As far as the Omega's are concerned, You don't have to be in a train crash
to know you do not want to be in one. It all goes back to what I said
before. If it ain't broke, why fix it? If you use them anyway, at least
backup.


That's the point.. they are an improvement over the generic ATI CAT's.
If they wheren't why would I bother using them? Omega has taken GAMERS
point of view and tweaked the drivers for that type of user. The basic
drivers are just that.. basic.


You're not usually an obtuse poster, Pluvious, but you keep coming up
with this. The fact that Omegadriver's modded drivers probably are
better for high end gamers does _not_ make them better for all users.
Can you not understand that not everyone has it as their mission in
life to play the latest-and-greatest games with everything maxed out
and slick as you-know-what? For the average user, Omegadriver's are
_not_ the optimum they can use. And, although Ati's standard Catalyst
drivers are not exactly basic, they _are _ more appropriate (and
hence, better) for non-high end gamers.


BTW, are you going to answer my question or not? What is your defenition
of "modded" drivers? If your not sure then why not just say so?


I'm not interested in getting in an argument with you. I've based my
view of Omegas drivers by how well they work on my systems. I've
noticed an improvement in image quality and in some cases smoother
game play. For me they are a lot easier to install and update as well.


Pluvious



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