GF4 in a Older type Slot 1 MoBo..?

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Have a MSI Slot one MoBo MS-6163 Pro, it has a GF1 in it, can a GF4 work
in
it, not its not my system but I have the GF4 card and trying to help some
one
out with a better 3D card.

As long he has a agp slot yes he should be able to. AGPx2 capable mobo will
work, apgx1 mobo will work too i think.

"Jelle" wrote in message
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" As long he has a agp slot yes he should be able to. AGPx2 capable mobo
will work, apgx1 mobo will work too i think. "


You'll see from this ATI website how the different cards will and will not
fit: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

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"Jelle" wrote in message
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" As long he has a agp slot yes he should be able to. AGPx2 capable mobo
will work, apgx1 mobo will work too i think. "


You'll see from this ATI website how the different cards will and will not
fit: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

Thats a better thing, yes,
Anyway, that msi mobo is a 400bx chipset mobo, and i know that it is 2x
agp(v1.0) compliant, and if your GF4 is not a 8x agp (v3.0) it will work.

ps Did agpx1 mobo exist anyway? :S Dont think so now.. :-)

"Jelle" schreef in bericht
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"Cuzman" schreef in bericht
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"Jelle" wrote in message
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" As long he has a agp slot yes he should be able to. AGPx2 capable
mobo
will work, apgx1 mobo will work too i think. "


You'll see from this ATI website how the different cards will and will
not
fit: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

Thats a better thing, yes,
Anyway, that msi mobo is a 400bx chipset mobo, and i know that it is 2x
agp(v1.0) compliant, and if your GF4 is not a 8x agp (v3.0) it will work.

ps Did agpx1 mobo exist anyway? :S Dont think so now.. :-)

Skip that agp8x not capable part, i dont know for sure, that Ati site is not
clear on it, cause it says 9700 cards can do it and 9800 can't (but in
pictures it says never capable). Go to your gf4 manufacturer site if it is a
8x agp card.

Jelle wrote:


"Jelle" schreef in bericht
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"Cuzman" schreef in bericht
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"Jelle" wrote in message
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" As long he has a agp slot yes he should be able to. AGPx2
capable
mobo
will work, apgx1 mobo will work too i think. "


You'll see from this ATI website how the different cards will and
will
not
fit: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

Thats a better thing, yes,
Anyway, that msi mobo is a 400bx chipset mobo, and i know that it
is 2x agp(v1.0) compliant, and if your GF4 is not a 8x agp (v3.0)
it will work.

ps Did agpx1 mobo exist anyway? :S Dont think so now.. :-)

Skip that agp8x not capable part, i dont know for sure, that Ati site
is not clear on it, cause it says 9700 cards can do it and 9800 can't
(but in pictures it says never capable). Go to your gf4 manufacturer
site if it is a 8x agp card.






AGP 1x does not exist... because it would be the same clock as the PCI
slots.... which makes no sense.



AGP and PCI both run at 33mhz, the multiplier is the only thing that's
changed.


ie; 1x = 33mhz, 2x = 66mhz, 4x = 133mhz , 8x = 266mhz

AGP bus is 66 mhz not 33.

DaveL


"teqguy" wrote in message news:P6ggc.6199

AGP 1x does not exist... because it would be the same clock as the PCI
slots.... which makes no sense.



AGP and PCI both run at 33mhz, the multiplier is the only thing that's
changed.


ie; 1x = 33mhz, 2x = 66mhz, 4x = 133mhz , 8x = 266mhz

wrote in
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Have a MSI Slot one MoBo MS-6163 Pro, it has a GF1 in it, can a GF4
work in it, not its not my system but I have the GF4 card and trying
to help some one out with a better 3D card.


I have a Tyan Tiger 100 S1832DL. That's a 440BX Dual cpu board, with AGP
2x slot. I'm running an MSI Ti4200 8x card in it, at AGP 2x. It works
fine. This is probably the fastest card I can ever use in this MB. It's
too cpu limited anyways.

I need a system but keep holding off. Waiting for Doom 3.

DaveL wrote:

AGP bus is 66 mhz not 33.

DaveL


"teqguy" wrote in message news:P6ggc.6199

AGP 1x does not exist... because it would be the same clock as the
PCI slots.... which makes no sense.



AGP and PCI both run at 33mhz, the multiplier is the only thing
that's changed.


ie; 1x = 33mhz, 2x = 66mhz, 4x = 133mhz , 8x = 266mhz






Do the math moron...




If it was 66mhz, it would make AGP 4x 266mhz.


Explain to me how this is possible when most chipsets had a maximum
clock speed of 133mhz.


It would also make AGP 8x 533mhz, which would mean no bottleneck would
exist between the Northbridge and the graphics card.

Just what kind of kook are you? All you do is post mis-information. You
are evidently a legend in your own mind. Do you just make this **** up or
does it come to you in a dream? I'm through correcting the nonsense you
post. There is no need to any more because everybody knows you are deranged
and do not listen to you.

DaveL

P.S. *PLONK*


"teqguy" wrote in message
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DaveL wrote:

AGP bus is 66 mhz not 33.

DaveL


"teqguy" wrote in message news:P6ggc.6199

AGP 1x does not exist... because it would be the same clock as the
PCI slots.... which makes no sense.



AGP and PCI both run at 33mhz, the multiplier is the only thing
that's changed.


ie; 1x = 33mhz, 2x = 66mhz, 4x = 133mhz , 8x = 266mhz






Do the math moron...




If it was 66mhz, it would make AGP 4x 266mhz.


Explain to me how this is possible when most chipsets had a maximum
clock speed of 133mhz.


It would also make AGP 8x 533mhz, which would mean no bottleneck would
exist between the Northbridge and the graphics card.

DaveL wrote:

Just what kind of kook are you? All you do is post mis-information.
You are evidently a legend in your own mind. Do you just make this
**** up or does it come to you in a dream? I'm through correcting
the nonsense you post. There is no need to any more because
everybody knows you are deranged and do not listen to you.

DaveL

P.S. PLONK


"teqguy" wrote in message
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DaveL wrote:

AGP bus is 66 mhz not 33.

DaveL


"teqguy" wrote in message news:P6ggc.6199

AGP 1x does not exist... because it would be the same clock as
the PCI slots.... which makes no sense.



AGP and PCI both run at 33mhz, the multiplier is the only thing
that's changed.


ie; 1x = 33mhz, 2x = 66mhz, 4x = 133mhz , 8x = 266mhz






Do the math moron...




If it was 66mhz, it would make AGP 4x 266mhz.


Explain to me how this is possible when most chipsets had a maximum
clock speed of 133mhz.


It would also make AGP 8x 533mhz, which would mean no bottleneck
would exist between the Northbridge and the graphics card.








You have yet to prove I'm wrong.


Here is a whitepaper on the clock generator for the Pentium Pro
motherboard:


http://www.icst.com/PDF/ics9148-58.pdf

Look at the AGP PLL... notice the PLL divider for the PCI clock is
bridged directly to the AGP clock and CPU clock.



That isn't the case on newer ICs.

Most newer circuits combine their PCI and AGP PLL dividers and CPU and
memory PLL dividers.... but the PCI and AGP frequencies are derrived
from the EXACT SAME FREQUENCY.