GF4 Ti4200 Ultra - Good Budget Choice?

5600? Not even the 5900 can touch the 9800's, with FSAA. Do some
homework, boy. The 5600 is on par with, maybe the 9200. Hehehe.

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Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

Yeah? And now Nvidia's 5600 is smoking right back!
Dave

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
Too bad that this article is fairly old. And, after the
introduction of the 9500, ATI is smoking nVidia in the FSAA arena.

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Keith Clark stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

Here's what Tom's Hardware says about it :

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...409/index.html



"Shep©" wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:29:35 +0100, In this world we created
"smjohn" wrote :

Hello, I am looking to replace my graphics card with a low budget
option. I
currently have a Ti500 card and have been looking at various
cheaper
options. My initial choice was an FX5200 but after reading posts
in this
newsgroup, this would seem to be a poor choice. After that my
favoured
option was a Radeon 9500 Pro but I can't find anywhere that sells
them in
the UK (apart from 1 supplier which is out of stock).

My latest option is a Pixelview GF4 Ti4200 Ultra 128MB card for
around £85


http://www.microdirect.co.uk/company...s/pixelview/vi
dpix428x128dv/vidpix428x128dv.htm,
I've also read in this group that a Ti4200 would be a good choice,
can
anyone tell me if this particular card would be a reasonable
purchase.

I would be willing to go up to £125 (approx $205) if you have any
other
recommendations for a good graphics card in this price range, I'm
finding it
pretty difficult working out which card would be the best purchase
in my
price range as there are big variations in prices for the same
models by
different manufacturers.

Any advice would be appreciated

(My system is a P4 2GHz, 512 RAMBUS memory, Win XP)

smjohn


I think it's a good choice but by how much well....
I'm in a similar situation with an older G3 Ti200 and am going to
wait
a while to see what's the nest thing after the FX cards.
Do any of your games not run well?
If the answer is yes then upgrade.
If the answer is no then save your money and wait.
My 10 penn'th.
Also a good supplier,
http://prices.cclcomputers.co.uk/
HTH

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-
Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Yeah? And now Nvidia's 5600 is smoking right back!
Dave


Smokin' something alright! Nothing beats this for the price if the
softmodding works (usually does...):

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271 .

Any questions?

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"Strontium" wrote in message
...
Be a fanboy, all you want. I am loyal to NO chipmaker.

Fanboy? I know you ain't referring to me! (I'm Dave, dammit! He's an
im-poster ;-) ) The only fanboy I ever was was the one improving the air
circulation thru my case. I am loyal to my wallet. ATI is on top now, but if
Nvidia ever pulls their head out of their @$$ they might be on top next
round, who knows. Certainly have better things to get excited about. Still
nothing changes the fact that if the softmodding works, this:

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271
(one-more-time to the tune of Zappa's "Joe's Garage")

is currently the best *value* going. Brand loyalty be damned. I just want
RESULTS!

Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Yeah? And now Nvidia's 5600 is smoking right back!
Dave


Smokin' something alright! Nothing beats this for the price if the
softmodding works (usually does...):

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271 .

Any questions?

I'm not concerned with bang/buck, ATM. I've got the cash. I sure, as
Hell, don't want to throw money at the window. However, my GF3 Ti200 oc'd
to 250/550 is just not cutting it for the games, that I play. When I slap
that 9700 np in my box, I'll get back to you. ($200, btw, no tax).


"Dave" wrote in message
news:CRJPa.39036$H17.11824@sccrnsc02...

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
Be a fanboy, all you want. I am loyal to NO chipmaker.

Fanboy? I know you ain't referring to me! (I'm Dave, dammit! He's an
im-poster ;-) ) The only fanboy I ever was was the one improving the air
circulation thru my case. I am loyal to my wallet. ATI is on top now, but
if
Nvidia ever pulls their head out of their @$$ they might be on top next
round, who knows. Certainly have better things to get excited about. Still
nothing changes the fact that if the softmodding works, this:

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271
(one-more-time to the tune of Zappa's "Joe's Garage")

is currently the best *value* going. Brand loyalty be damned. I just want
RESULTS!

Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Yeah? And now Nvidia's 5600 is smoking right back!
Dave


Smokin' something alright! Nothing beats this for the price if the
softmodding works (usually does...):

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271 .

Any questions?

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
I'm not concerned with bang/buck, ATM. I've got the cash. I sure, as
Hell, don't want to throw money at the window. However, my GF3 Ti200 oc'd
to 250/550 is just not cutting it for the games, that I play. When I slap
that 9700 np in my box, I'll get back to you. ($200, btw, no tax).


And well worth it, I might add. My first such DX9-capable card (I got it
while it was just under $300 last year). Of course I had to overclock it to
Pro spec. Actually I just reflashed the BIOS after dumping and modding it
;-). Warranty? Pff, it's a disposable commodity and by the time it dies it
will be long obsolete. The modded 9500 NP is in another box (the one I
usually end up using the most even though I have two faster ones on the LAN
here), in fact this one right he a modest Athlon XP 2400+/SiS 735 Leadtek
mobo that has given me no trouble at all, ever. The other 3 9500 NP's
ordered for others' boxes also softmodded perfectly; in case anyone thinks
the odds are too slim: they aren't. Some of the other ATI and Nvidia cards
are in others, a Kyro 2 and V3 in the card pile, a V5 here somewhere in a
Dell Dimension XPS 400 intel BX board with a 1.4 Tualatin Celly and an old
Cinemaster 3 DVD card, and I even still have a running box with a Rendition
card innit.
Try maxing out the aniso and AA, playing the "usual suspects" then
please do get back to me...after the $#!+-eating grin fades ;-). The drivers
have come a long way. Don't even bother with the ones on the CD. Use the 3.4
or 3.5, or their Omega versions. But make sure you purge the registry of all
Nvidia-related entries, however you choose to do so, and delete all the
nv*.* crap, or you will be chasing headaches...and believe me, it's MUCH
WORSE going from ATI, as they leave *all sorts* of orphaned BS in the system
that has to be manually removed, much like with Creative soundcards. If you
use XP (I do ALAP) the rollback is your fren'...


"Dave" wrote in message
news:CRJPa.39036$H17.11824@sccrnsc02...

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
Be a fanboy, all you want. I am loyal to NO chipmaker.

Fanboy? I know you ain't referring to me! (I'm Dave, dammit! He's an
im-poster ;-) ) The only fanboy I ever was was the one improving the
air
circulation thru my case. I am loyal to my wallet. ATI is on top now,
but
if
Nvidia ever pulls their head out of their @$$ they might be on top next
round, who knows. Certainly have better things to get excited about.
Still
nothing changes the fact that if the softmodding works, this:

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271
(one-more-time to the tune of Zappa's "Joe's Garage")

is currently the best *value* going. Brand loyalty be damned. I just
want
RESULTS!

Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Yeah? And now Nvidia's 5600 is smoking right back!
Dave


Smokin' something alright! Nothing beats this for the price if the
softmodding works (usually does...):

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271 .

Any questions?

-
Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
I'm not concerned with bang/buck, ATM. I've got the cash. I
sure, as Hell, don't want to throw money at the window. However, my
GF3 Ti200 oc'd to 250/550 is just not cutting it for the games, that
I play. When I slap that 9700 np in my box, I'll get back to you.
($200, btw, no tax).


snip

Yes. I've, totally, had to deal with the nVidia 'hangin around' crap,
before. Learned, real quick, that you need to clean that **** out.

I'll get back to you, when I'm running full screen AA and VSYNC to top it
off. I'm no fanboy. But, for what I want, this is where it's at...right
now. And, 200 bux is about what I'm willing to shell out.

As for the drivers, I've been down this road. I'll see what works
best....then get back to you :P And, the rest of the group. Card will be
here in 5 days. Will not have time to mess with it, for 7...work, etc...

As for your rendition card.....you gloater :P~~~~





have a running box with a Rendition card innit. Try maxing out
the aniso and AA, playing the "usual suspects" then
please do get back to me...after the $#!+-eating grin fades ;-). The
drivers have come a long way. Don't even bother with the ones on the
CD. Use the 3.4 or 3.5, or their Omega versions. But make sure you
purge the registry of all Nvidia-related entries, however you choose
to do so, and delete all the nv*.* crap, or you will be chasing
headaches...and believe me, it's MUCH WORSE going from ATI, as they
leave *all sorts* of orphaned BS in the system that has to be
manually removed, much like with Creative soundcards. If you use XP
(I do ALAP) the rollback is your fren'...


"Dave" wrote in message
news:CRJPa.39036$H17.11824@sccrnsc02...

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
Be a fanboy, all you want. I am loyal to NO chipmaker.

Fanboy? I know you ain't referring to me! (I'm Dave, dammit! He's an
im-poster ;-) ) The only fanboy I ever was was the one improving
the air circulation thru my case. I am loyal to my wallet. ATI is
on top now, but if Nvidia ever pulls their head out of their @$$
they might be on top next round, who knows. Certainly have better
things to get excited about. Still nothing changes the fact that if
the softmodding works, this:

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271
(one-more-time to the tune of Zappa's "Joe's Garage")

is currently the best *value* going. Brand loyalty be damned. I
just want RESULTS!

Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Yeah? And now Nvidia's 5600 is smoking right back!
Dave


Smokin' something alright! Nothing beats this for the price if the
softmodding works (usually does...):

http://secure.newegg.com/app/Custrat...tem=14-102-271
.

Any questions?

--
Strontium

"Shortcuts are self-defeating. Mean. If you cannot do it,
clean, you'll never reach your reward..." - 311

"Strontium" wrote in message
...
-
Dave stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

.. Will not have time to mess with it, for 7...work, etc...

As for your rendition card.....you gloater :P~~~~




I'm frankly amazed it still works as well as it does! 'Course the box it's
in is running '95 OSR2...there were always issues with Rendition cards and
'98...

how much you want for the ti500?


I'm looking at a ti 4200 too. I don't think you can get the 4x anymore in
this GPU....maybe you can, but all I see is 8x. So I guess if your MB is 8x
that might improve things on down the road considerably.

Scott

"smjohn" wrote in message
...
Hello, I am looking to replace my graphics card with a low budget option.
I
currently have a Ti500 card and have been looking at various cheaper
options. My initial choice was an FX5200 but after reading posts in this
newsgroup, this would seem to be a poor choice. After that my favoured
option was a Radeon 9500 Pro but I can't find anywhere that sells them in
the UK (apart from 1 supplier which is out of stock).

My latest option is a Pixelview GF4 Ti4200 Ultra 128MB card for around £85

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/company...pixelview/vidp
ix428x128dv/vidpix428x128dv.htm,
I've also read in this group that a Ti4200 would be a good choice, can
anyone tell me if this particular card would be a reasonable purchase.

I would be willing to go up to £125 (approx $205) if you have any other
recommendations for a good graphics card in this price range, I'm finding
it
pretty difficult working out which card would be the best purchase in my
price range as there are big variations in prices for the same models by
different manufacturers.

Any advice would be appreciated

(My system is a P4 2GHz, 512 RAMBUS memory, Win XP)

smjohn

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:11:13 -0700
"Dave" wrote:

It better blow the socks off (maybe a 30 to 40% increase in frame
rate, that is if the rest of your system supports the increase,
otherwise no increase at all) for $200 more. Basically the ti4200 is
the best buy, period. Dave

For $200 _more_? Newegg lists one 9700 board for $219--that price can
be beaten. So where do I get a ti4200 for $19?.
=20
"Strontium" wrote in message
news
Oops, that should read that the 9800 np is going for about $280 USD.
Typo, from Hell.

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Strontium stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

For $200 USD, you can get a Radeon 9700 non-pro. Check
www.pricewatch.com and try to find someone that will ship,
internationally, via CC purchase. Will blow the socks off the GF4
Ti4200 pro. Can, also, get the 9800 non-pro for $200 USD.


-
smjohn stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

Hello, I am looking to replace my graphics card with a low budget
option. I
currently have a Ti500 card and have been looking at various
cheaper options. My initial choice was an FX5200 but after
reading posts in this
newsgroup, this would seem to be a poor choice. After that my
favoured
option was a Radeon 9500 Pro but I can't find anywhere that sells
them in
the UK (apart from 1 supplier which is out of stock).

My latest option is a Pixelview GF4 Ti4200 Ultra 128MB card for
around =A385


http://www.microdirect.co.uk/company...rds/pixelview=
/vi
dpix428x128dv/vidpix428x128dv.htm,
I've also read in this group that a Ti4200 would be a good
choice, can
anyone tell me if this particular card would be a reasonable
purchase.

I would be willing to go up to =A3125 (approx $205) if you have any
other
recommendations for a good graphics card in this price range, I'm
finding it
pretty difficult working out which card would be the best
purchase in my
price range as there are big variations in prices for the same
models by
different manufacturers.

Any advice would be appreciated

(My system is a P4 2GHz, 512 RAMBUS memory, Win XP)

smjohn

--
Strontium

"Shortcuts are self-defeating. Mean. If you cannot do it,
clean, you'll never reach your reward..." - 311



=20
=20


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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:19:33 -0700
Keith Clark wrote:

Does the 9500 have dual monitor support and solid Linux drivers? If it
does I might consider one...

Most if not all current ATI boards have dual monitor support. And the
ATI Linux drivers get rolled into the source tree, unlike nvidia that
keeps their drivers closed.

--Keith
=20
=20
=20
Strontium wrote:
=20
Too bad that this article is fairly old. And, after the
introduction of the 9500, ATI is smoking nVidia in the FSAA arena.

-
Keith Clark stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:

Here's what Tom's Hardware says about it :

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...409/index.html



"Shep=A9" wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:29:35 +0100, In this world we created
"smjohn" wrote :

Hello, I am looking to replace my graphics card with a low
budget option. I
currently have a Ti500 card and have been looking at various
cheaper
options. My initial choice was an FX5200 but after reading
posts in this
newsgroup, this would seem to be a poor choice. After that my
favoured
option was a Radeon 9500 Pro but I can't find anywhere that
sells them in
the UK (apart from 1 supplier which is out of stock).

My latest option is a Pixelview GF4 Ti4200 Ultra 128MB card for
around =A385

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/company...rds/pixelview=
/vi
dpix428x128dv/vidpix428x128dv.htm,
I've also read in this group that a Ti4200 would be a good
choice, can
anyone tell me if this particular card would be a reasonable
purchase.

I would be willing to go up to =A3125 (approx $205) if you have
any other
recommendations for a good graphics card in this price range,
I'm finding it
pretty difficult working out which card would be the best
purchase in my
price range as there are big variations in prices for the same
models by
different manufacturers.

Any advice would be appreciated

(My system is a P4 2GHz, 512 RAMBUS memory, Win XP)

smjohn


I think it's a good choice but by how much well....
I'm in a similar situation with an older G3 Ti200 and am going to
wait
a while to see what's the nest thing after the FX cards.
Do any of your games not run well?
If the answer is yes then upgrade.
If the answer is no then save your money and wait.
My 10 penn'th.
Also a good supplier,
http://prices.cclcomputers.co.uk/
HTH

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