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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
On 10 Aug 2006 01:47:49 -0700, "pc games"
wrote: wrote: But most people don't consider 640x80 at 10fps to be 'running' a game. If you have the money buy a 7800GS, but like I said not everyone has 300 plus euro to spend on a GPU. But please tell me any game currently available that only can runs in 640x480 at 10fps when using a 7600GS? There is NONE! ZERO! and you know it very well. Ok I understand you are a high-end PC Gamer that likes to run games at maximum detail but some cant afford it. This (WRONG) notion that only with max detail and max resolution can you enjoy PC Games is incorrect. So please I understand you want and your choice is high-end HW but that is not the ONLY choice for PC Gamers. PC Gamers have lots of choices and everyone should be included. Budget PC Gamers can play games and can use a 7600GS for it and will certainly not have to run ANY GAME in 640x480 at 10fps. I bet there is no game currently in the market that need to run bellow 800x600 in a 7600GS. Even the demanding Oblivion runs very well in a 7600GS so again why are you giving wrong information Your right about that. All benchmarks I see nowadays don't include 1024x768 resolution anymore. They start higher. Most budget gamers are fine running their games at 1024x768. At that resolution, a current mid-range card can run anything out now, and probably through next year smoothly. That's with AA, and AF on. Only the low-end (X300, X1300, and 6200, & 7300) might need to be knocked down 800x600 with no AA, and AF to get decent frame rates with new titles. I have an Athlon XP 3000+ with 1GB DDR400, and a 6600GT. Running it at 1024x768 with reduced eye candy for new titles, it's able to handle anything out at nice, playable speeds. My "new for me" Athlon64 3800+ Venice with a 7600GT can run all new titles with maxed eye candy at 1024x768 with nice frame rates.. The 7600GT is nothing to "sneeze" at, and I doubt the 7600GS AGP is not much less of a performer. I'm waiting to see if Leadtek releases the 7600GT AGP here in the US. That would be a nice card for an older AGP system at a nicer price than a 7800GS. |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
Well considering that I only upgrade my GPU once every two or three years,
Ill pass on any hardware that will only be good for what...less than a year? Talk about diminishing returns. Thanks but no thanks. I could maybe understand if you were still running a Dx8 card but in my case my X600 PCIe will be just fine for the next 12 months or so until DX10 OS and Games hit the streets. Should be 2Q of next year IIRC. |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
"Larry Roberts" wrote in message
... On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:09:02 GMT, "Gonzo" wrote: Is this a DirX 10 card? If not, why would we waste our money on an overpriced soon to be obsolete card? So any card purchased today is a waste? Not if you are running maybe a DX8 card now I guess. For me it would because I have a X600Pro PCIe card. But If I had an ancient DX8 card, I could get say a brand new ATi X1300 based PCIe card with 256megs for around $78-$80 off ebay right now that might be a better cheap alternative until the 6-12month wait for Vista is over. Most of us hardcorp games know that within 12months we will want Vista and the first batch of Dx10 games like Crysis so with that in mind I am holding on to my cash for a Dx10 compliant card. But that's just me. |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
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ups.com... Gonzo wrote: Is this a DirX 10 card? If not, why would we waste our money on an overpriced soon to be obsolete card? As far as I'm aware there are no DX10 cards today. In any case, why would anyone in their right mind install Vista on an AGP machine? Well I have PCIe FWIW, but what is wrong with AGP? Won't there be AGP cards for Dx10? |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
"Gonzo" wrote in message ...
wrote in message ups.com... Gonzo wrote: Is this a DirX 10 card? If not, why would we waste our money on an overpriced soon to be obsolete card? As far as I'm aware there are no DX10 cards today. In any case, why would anyone in their right mind install Vista on an AGP machine? Well I have PCIe FWIW, but what is wrong with AGP? Won't there be AGP cards for Dx10? Most people who don't know or won't admit that AGP still accounts for 78% of video card sales (new + used) will give the same misinformation we've been hearing for well over a year now.. Fact is, they were wrong about G71 (7900GT, released by Gainward as the 7800GS+ for AGP), they were wrong about the 7600, and they're probably wrong if they claim no DX10 AGP cards will be released. The installed base of AGP systems is still huge and will be for the foreseeable future. |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
"ScottL" wrote in message
nk.net [...] Most people who don't know or won't admit that AGP still accounts for 78% of video card sales (new + used) will give the same misinformation we've been hearing for well over a year now.. Fact is, they were wrong about G71 (7900GT, released by Gainward as the 7800GS+ for AGP), they were wrong about the 7600, and they're probably wrong if they claim no DX10 AGP cards will be released. The installed base of AGP systems is still huge and will be for the foreseeable future. When you say "they" are wrong you're really criticising the wrong people. They're just repeating what Nvidia said. It was Nvidia who announced the 7800GS would be the last ever chipset they made for AGP, remember? Obviously demand for AGP cards remains higher than Nvidia anticipated (although you'd think they'd know the market by now), but it's their public announcements that are really to blame. |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
"ScottL" wrote in message
nk.net... "Gonzo" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Gonzo wrote: Is this a DirX 10 card? If not, why would we waste our money on an overpriced soon to be obsolete card? As far as I'm aware there are no DX10 cards today. In any case, why would anyone in their right mind install Vista on an AGP machine? Well I have PCIe FWIW, but what is wrong with AGP? Won't there be AGP cards for Dx10? Most people who don't know or won't admit that AGP still accounts for 78% of video card sales (new + used) will give the same misinformation we've been hearing for well over a year now.. Fact is, they were wrong about G71 (7900GT, released by Gainward as the 7800GS+ for AGP), they were wrong about the 7600, and they're probably wrong if they claim no DX10 AGP cards will be released. The installed base of AGP systems is still huge and will be for the foreseeable future. Well if an a AGP mainboard can handle the requirments why not. They are probably betting that most of us either are or will go PCIe or that our AGP machines will not cut the mustard anway. Who knows. I do remember going from ISA to VLB to PCI to AGP and now to PCIe so I am very well aware of how this works. You can't stop progress once it starts rolling and sooner or later we will all eventually swap out our motherboards again. It's bitter sweet to do this kind of upgrade but if you are a Gamer and a PC nut then you will be in the same line as me every time. You might be bitching while in that line but you will be there. |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:20:43 GMT, "Gonzo"
wrote: I do remember going from ISA to VLB to PCI to AGP and now to PCIe so I am very well aware of how this works. You can't stop progress once it starts rolling and sooner or later we will all eventually swap out our motherboards again. It's bitter sweet to do this kind of upgrade but if you are a Gamer and a PC nut then you will be in the same line as me every time. You might be bitching while in that line but you will be there. I remember my first AGP card. It was an 8mb ATi RagePro card that I had in a PII 400 with 2 x 12mb VooDoo 2 cards in SLI mode. They were hooked up to a huge 19" Taxan Ergovision, which I still have. The thing looks like a giant goldfish bowl compared to my TFT's. From that I went to TNT 2, then GeForce 2 Ti , GeForce 4 Ti 4200 on the AGP bus. Changed to PCI-e with an ATi X700 Pro and now have an X1800XL. I still have 2 other PC's with AGP cards in that can play most fairly modern action games at medium settings. I made the change to PCI-e almost 2 years ago now. I don't know whether the PCI-e bus is really a genuine upgrade as of yet, or whether it's just a move to perpetuate the hardware market. I do remember that it was long a time before the AGP bus was deemed as a genuine upgrade over PCI. -- Rob |
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Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP
On 7 Aug 2006 21:09:44 -0700, "pc games"
wrote: Nvidia GeForce 7600GS finally out for AGP Here is the link for the EVGA version: http://www.evga.com/products/moreinf...2-AX&family=22 This is the definitive upgrade for AGP users like myself. I clearly remember when a year ago I talked about a 7600 for AGP and most in this group didn't believe me like many other ideas I defend and now we see it has become a reality. Again this proves I'm in most instants right. Yes, a bit like Al Gore claiming to have invented the Internet. nVidia does not even know you ( not surprising, with your many aliases). However, they do have an extremely competent Marketing group and the decision to continue supporting AGP (for the moment) is based on sound Market research. Solely a matter of profit -- you have zero influence. In that vein, the chances for any DX10 cards on AGP are miniscule, plus the longer M$$ delays Vista, the deader the prospects. AGP is dead except for video upgrades on existing PCs -- which activity is like sewing an expensive new patch into thread-bare cloth, considering the performance/price benefits of a new PC, especially with the recent huge CPU price-cuts. Remember also that DX10 is not REQUIRED for Vista itself, DX9.0 is perfectly satisfactory. Apart from Asrock, all the motherboard manufacturers have switched entirely to PCIe anyway. BTW, there will be no Win98 drivers from nVidia for the 7600GS. In fact, the last Win98/WinME video driver is 81.98 (December 2005), ---- just look at the list of supported products, the latest being the GF6 series. No GF7 on the list. I play my DOS and early Win games on my 2000-vintage 3dfx/SBLive!-equipped machine, which incidentally I still use for my newsreading/posting (like right now), casual browsing, word-processing and email. I have not updated the drivers in years. Just buy a new computer and a KVM+audio switch and you won't have to fuss over Win98 driver support any more. John Lewis |
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