Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:57:44 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:17:54 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
wrote:

Ouch. I don't like your choice of MB's, It's not AM2+, only AM2, and an
old VIA chipset. Sata I, etc,etc. You can get an AM2+ MB with onboard
graphics for not much more if any more depending on how good a shopper
you are. No more than $20 more. AM2+ would give you an upgrade path to
Phenom

I concidered that-- the other mobo I was considering was this:

http://3btech.net/bia7m2qucore.html

But I decided that I didn't want the shared video memory. Plus, by the
time I upgrade again, AM3 (or beyond) will be out, so the AM2+ mobo
would still be last generation at that time.

That's almost identical to this combo I got a rain check on.

http://shopping.dallasnews.com/ROP/a...subid=24496391



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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:17:54 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
wrote:

http://3btech.net/msik9alsoam2.html

Ouch. I don't like your choice of MB's, It's not AM2+, only AM2, and an
old VIA chipset. Sata I, etc,etc. You can get an AM2+ MB with onboard
graphics for not much more if any more depending on how good a shopper you
are. No more than $20 more. AM2+ would give you an upgrade path to Phenom
if you ever wanted it. I'd look for a MB with Nvidia 7050PV or 8200
chipset. And while it'll be PCIe, well the onboard video should be
adequate.

And a 45w X2 5050e to run on it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103298




Okay, my mobo/CPU/memory arrive today. I put the CPU, heatsink and fan on the
new board and put in the DIMM. I take the old mobo out of the case, put in the
new one, spend a long time making sure that I have all the connectors were
plugged in correctly. Put in the AGP card. Make sure all the basics are set
up. Boot. Drives spin up. Fans spin up. Nothing else happens-- no signal to
the monitors. Then I think that maybe the on-board video is on by default, so I
plug the monitor into the mobo's on-board video. Still no monitor, no post.
Speaker connection is set up, but no error beeps of any kind. Next idea-- maybe
the 2 GB DIMM is too big for the old mobo to recognize-- I switch the system
off, pull the DIMM, hoping to hear an error beep and get the BIOS to come up
with a memory error. Nothing. I reset the CMOS with the jumper. Still
nothing. So the next step was to pull the CPU, and try booting-- the old Asus
board at least gave a "CPU not present" message when no CPU is installed
(talking BIOS, not a beeping one). But still nothing, no error beeps, no POST,
no signal to the monitor. I had to pull the motherboard and reinstall my old
one.

So, I'm thinking that the motheboard is bad, or incapable of recognizing the
5050e (a retail boxed one, not OEM) and not the CPU itself bad. I'm ready to
order a new, better mobo and send back, but first, I was hoping for second (or
third) opinions on my "bad/old" mobo diagnosis and not "bad CPU".

You can look up the board on its web site and see if that cpu is
included in the supported cpu list. Since it's a very recent one and the
chipset is so ancient, it probably isn't.
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n Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:24:36 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:24:36 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:

So, I'm thinking that the motheboard is bad, or incapable of recognizing
the 5050e (a retail boxed one, not OEM) and not the CPU itself bad. I'm
ready to order a new, better mobo and send back, but first, I was hoping
for second (or third) opinions on my "bad/old" mobo diagnosis and not
"bad CPU".

According to MSI, the K9MM-v Does not support the cpu you got. And I don't
see a bios upgrade for it. Either time for another MB, or a supported cpu
for that one. They don't even list that cpu for this board. Might contact
them and see if they are going to release a bios for it, but you would
still have to get it and find some way to flash it. Maybe borrow an older
A64 from someone.


http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...d_no=1104#menu

BTW, there's no reason other than bios, that it won't support it.

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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell wrote:

According to MSI, the K9MM-v Does not support the cpu you got. And I don't
see a bios upgrade for it. Either time for another MB, or a supported cpu
for that one. They don't even list that cpu for this board. Might contact
them and see if they are going to release a bios for it, but you would
still have to get it and find some way to flash it. Maybe borrow an older
A64 from someone.


http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...d_no=1104#menu

BTW, there's no reason other than bios, that it won't support it.

I can't see that any of the 125W CPUs are supported so maybe the
motherboard just can't supply the current needed.

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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:13:42 -0800, Bill wrote:


Just curious, is there a particular reason why your looking at these
trailing technology boards?

Yeah, went from working to be a stay-at-home caregiver for an older relative.
Budget is now very restricted. If I was working now, I'd already have the best
4-core system available. Now, I have to think 3 times before I drop $150 bucks
on what I'm getting now.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:48:47 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:


I can't see that any of the 125W CPUs are supported so maybe the
motherboard just can't supply the current needed.

The 5050e that I have is a 45 watt model, a low-power version of the 5000, which
is supposed to be supported. I assumed (mistakenly) that the CPU would tell the
mobo what it was and what it needed.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
wrote:


BTW, there's no reason other than bios, that it won't support it.

That's what I was thinking, I just wanted a second opinion. Anyway, I've
already requested an RMA for that board and ordered this one
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...t.php?S_ID=370 which does list
the 5050.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:46:02 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:48:47 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:


I can't see that any of the 125W CPUs are supported so maybe the
motherboard just can't supply the current needed.

The 5050e that I have is a 45 watt model, a low-power version of the 5000, which
is supposed to be supported. I assumed (mistakenly) that the CPU would tell the
mobo what it was and what it needed.

Fishcakes!! I'm getting threads mixed up, maybe even groups. I thought
this was about the 6400+, sorry I'll try and keep up in future :-)

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Well, for anyone curious who helped me with (or at least looked at) the thread
on my upgrade questions and problems, it is done. I had devised a few
benchmarks to compare the two setups using some of my typical applications.

Benchmarks--

ConvertXtoDVD 3.3 converting 5 minute Divx to DVD:

old system AthlonXP 1.8 GHz-- 2 min, 56 sec, or 1.68x realtime
new system AthlonX2 2.6 GHz-- 0 min, 58 sec, or 5.11x realtime

Virtualdub convert soft subs to hard subs on 5 minute Divx, 1-pass quality
based, q4:

old system AthlonXP 1.8 GHz-- 2 min, 35 sec
new system AthlonX2 2.6 GHz-- 1 min, 01 sec

So around a 300% increase for the DVD test and around 250% for the Divx test.