NVIDIA blames MS for not having fullscreen video mirroring (video out).

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...dpost&p=345781

Section "Known Product Limitations: (...) problems that will NOT be
fixed. Usually, the source of the problem is beyond the control of
NVIDIA.":

-Full.screen video mirroring is not supported on graphics cards based on
the GeForce 8
series and later GPUs.
-Compliance with Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
for content.
protected media has prompted NVIDIA to remove this feature for all
video.


Basically, it's DRM/copy protection. There has to be a way to disable
this crap (hack).

ATI/AMD looks good, but crappy game performance.
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Previously on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Ant said:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...dpost&p=345781

Section "Known Product Limitations: (...) problems that will NOT be
fixed. Usually, the source of the problem is beyond the control of
NVIDIA.":

-Full.screen video mirroring is not supported on graphics cards based on
the GeForce 8
series and later GPUs.
-Compliance with Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
for content.
protected media has prompted NVIDIA to remove this feature for all
video.

Does this mean that you cannot set these cards to do a "Clone" display
setup?

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Does this mean that you cannot set these cards to do a "Clone" display
setup?

Not when the output is video. It has no impact on standard display output
which can be cloned and spanned.

Previously on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia, Augustus said:

Does this mean that you cannot set these cards to do a "Clone" display
setup?

Not when the output is video. It has no impact on standard display output
which can be cloned and spanned.

Ah, good. My TV has a PC/VGA input.

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In article , (Ant) wrote:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...dpost&p=345781

Section "Known Product Limitations: (...) problems that will NOT be
fixed. Usually, the source of the problem is beyond the control of
NVIDIA.":

-Full.screen video mirroring is not supported on graphics cards based on
the GeForce 8
series and later GPUs.
-Compliance with Microsoft's Certified Output Protection Protocol (COPP)
for content.
protected media has prompted NVIDIA to remove this feature for all
video.


Basically, it's DRM/copy protection. There has to be a way to disable
this crap (hack).

ATI/AMD looks good, but crappy game performance.
From what i could tell reading this information, the COPP technology just
provides the way for a vendor or software publisher to use the tech to protect
their specific videos or programs output using a set standard. Microsoft
itself doesnt dictate whethere an apps output must be protected. So NVIDIA is
lying when they state that they cannot implement the feature. Microsoft is not
preventing them from using full screen.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468617.aspx

On Mar 19, 11:28 pm, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

Does this mean that you cannot set these cards to do a "Clone" display
setup?



You can do following modes: None, Clone, Dualview. These all display
fine on any video out SVHS or HDTV component cable (which also has a
yellow composite on it, yeuck... composite looks awful but whatever).
So yes you can get your desktop out on any format in PAL or NTSC or
HDTV 1080i 720 4x 5x formats.... its all there.

The issue which had ruined it all for video lovers is that we dont
want to have to play a media player (which ever one you use) and
resize it to full screen, which uses masses of processor power to
rescale the window and plays with PC scale gammas (brightness levels)
when all the old cards use to say to themselves, ah hes playing video
lets switch modes to video out as video.

Video has video scales... and runs at video sync frames of 23.97 or 25
frames with interlace or in hdtv with progressive or interlaced
signals. If the card doesnt pump these out to your HDTV or TV as they
were intended you end up with wrong colour rendition, decimated frame
rate or padded frame rate which looks awful and you get refresh rate
banding - which looks like a 5 degree line which keeps whooshing down
your video on fast motion sequences. Basically, it looks baaaad. Next
you lose interlace integrity which mean if you have a film which is
interlace and you dont display it 1:1 with your tv or HDTV you get
jagged lines on the edges of things when they move fast. The TV or
TDTV would normally handle these but iut cant if its not sent the
right signal in the right way.

The biggest crime of all is by removing this function video editors
who would see a full screen pure signal of what they are trying to
edit, now have to suffer a PC scale, PC gamma, wrong refresh rate
immitation of their footage with no interlace. It looks horrid and
when you finish your project and burn to a dvd or export back to DV it
will probably suck on a 50/50 is the interlace field correct gamble.

You no longer get to see your Winamp graphics full screen scaled to
correct dimensions by the Nvidia card... you wanna see those grahpcs
full screen now you have to scale them to full screen with winamp.
Hmmmmm 1080I rescaling of winamp graphiocs will run at about 10 frames
per second. Very sucky.

Nvidia you are eeeeeediots for removing this function. However I would
bet money that they removed it only to offer it down the line as a
"new feature" on higher priced cards, when it used to be an always
there function from £20 MX440 cards up to the 7000 range... but no
longer in the 8000 and higher cards. Seems pulling functionality is ok
as far as Nvidia are concerned. The solution, stop buying their cards
and see them go bust. Or return the feature Nvidia.

Nobody out there with a brain is going to want to see flickery video.
They are also lying on their boxes when they say "Play High Definition
Video" and the words "Flicker Free" because by definition, PC scale
destroys the HDTV video colours, wrong refresh rate gives you flicker
banding. Someone should take them to court as a class action case so
we can all get our money back. Im being fobbed off by supplier who
doesnt even know what overlay means. Grrrr.

The function was called FULL SCREEN VIDEO OPTIONS in the 7000 range
and as it suggests, sent your smaller windowed video automatically to
the VIDEO OUT and would send it correct FULL SCREEN, which temporarily
uses the true VIDEO OUT mode not the PC desktop out mode. This is what
we came to know and love because we used to watch our DVDs and DIVX on
it, and they looked great. Now all we have is no way to do this... so
our video looks bad and flickery and takes loads of processor and for
HDTV will jerk like a bad boy.