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I regret you have come to that assumption.
I have not promoted or recommend ANY! products whatsoever, simply a caution to check products for quality before you part with your hard earned money and not to take an over zealous persons word on some cheap junk being all info you need. TTFN "Bonj" wrote in message ... You're not an IT person, you're a salesman! "String" wrote in message newsoUCd.32239$nN6.19123@edtnps84... Wrong on your cheep ram opinions as well. Cheap Ram is the number 2 cause of undiagnosable problems If it works for you that's good luck. You will not find any of that junk in top brands for a reason. Cheep ram comes out of low quality plants using thin cheap PCBs poor soldering metals cheap made chips or seconds from good manufactures. I also instituted a NO cheap ram policy at our shop and our return rate for PS and Ram went down 4000% labour at the shop made money with higher turnover. The number one ram maker counterfeit in Europe is hynix and 20% or more is fake (the Inquire or register last year). http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...how/182427.cms Cheap plants don't test chips just assemble and ship same as those **** poor crappie PS and don't care if they get a bad rep because they will have a new name next week.. An so you know the GOOD as well as POOR PS are made in those 50 cents an hour plants so your overpriced labour theory is more bunk to defend poor power supplies as quality with low labour. You are a stubborn person like my brother never change your mind or give ground even in the face of a mountain of proof, 100 people tell him one thing but some how they are all wrong and he is right. Good luck Wes, "Wes Newell" wrote in message newsan.2005.01.05.09.22.29.89637@TAKEOUTverizon. net... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:40:08 +0000, String wrote: Reminds me of the people who smoke and use the few examples of people who smoke and live to old age BUT the grave yard is full of those that make the bulk of smokers who did not. Not even close to what i said. I said the majority, somewhere between 90-95% of the hundreds of inexpensive PSU's I've used run 5 years or more. The one I put in the company server in about 1995 is still running. It cost about $20 then. Cheap power supplies have a **** poor success rate but you have one that's a miracle magic ones deifying average you think its something to promote to everyone. I don't know where you get your success rate figures from, but I know where mine come from, and the PSU works just as good as the expensive ones. Granted I don't run extensive test to see if they actually put out 100% of their ratings, but I don't care about that. At under $20 a pop they work, and work well enough for any system I've built. If they didn't, I wouldn't use them in my machine and certainly not in machines we sell and maintain at customers sites, since failures cost way more money in time than than the price of an expensive PSU. I was hired by a local shop to manage their tech shop, the money coming in was not equaling salaries out? I discovered the amount of power supply failures and problems associated with the same were taking half the day for most technicians. I instituted a NO cheap power supplies sold as stand alone or in cases. Those problems disappeared almost instantly freeing up our technicians to make money not diagnose $20 poor power supplies. Buy cheap buy twice, sell cheep pay too many technicians. (Ram as well) You stubbornly stick to promoting junk and if you made computers for my clients insisting using those **** poor power supplies you would not work for me. There's many reasons reasons you may have had so many failures. And if it took one of the techs I supervise a half a day to replace a PSU, he'd be looking for another job fast. Most PSU's can be changed in a matter of mintues. Certainly less than 30, not counting travel time. The failure rates you found could just as easily be contributed to the wrong size PSU ion the first place. I've seen this problem many times. I'll be the first to admit that cheap PSU's *may* be over rated. Simply buy one with that in mind and you should be fine. And don't worry, I'm not looking for a job. So I gather you don't like cheap ram either? That's all I use too.:-) A 60ns ram chip is a 60ns ram chip. Doesn't matter who's circuit board you stick it on as long as the ram is the same PN. I can see you waste a lot of money, so you would most definately not work for me, at least not for long. Want to know what I know about ram? I used to design, manufacture and sell ram upgrades. yep, I designed them, layed them out, had the boards manufactured, assembled, and distributed. So BS all the other people you want. I know better. Thought ? Do you work for the generic power supply consortium? Nope, I don't work at all any more. Now don't get me wrong, there are some trashy PSU's out there. I bought 20 old AT PSU's for $2 each. They even looked trashy. And they had a 20% failure rate within a few months. I know the others were still going after a couple of years. Needless to say, no more were purchased. But the majoirty of cheap psu's ( just not that cheap) work fine. I wish you continued success with your power supplies, Eyes Open Luck has nothing to do with it, but thanks. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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"Bonj" wrote in :
Well I haven't gone for any '$' cooling kit in the end, but I've heard more sound advice telling me that there shouldn't be anything wrong with a cheap power supply, than I have heard bad advice telling me to steer clear from it... but cheers anyway. Ok. Good luck with that. Oh, and don't wear seatbelts. You're better off being thrown clear of the accident. |
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Bonj:
No, you infer, I imply, but I wasn't implying anything. I don't know if changing the power supply fixed his problem or not, I was relating an experience about temperature. Yes, but that wasn't the subject, PSUs was... the original subject was supposed to be fans, but since you just mention temperature in general and just imply that it's due to the power supply without any mention of fans, but then renege that you said that when challenged, suggests that this experience of yours is completely irrelevent... I won't waste energy bickering with you. You asked for advice and received advice. Presumably you have your own money to spend and the final decisions and consequences of, will be yours. -- Mac Cool |
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:49:01 +0000, Mac Cool wrote:
Wes Newell: i'm just here to state for a fact that out of the hundreds of cheap PSU's I've used the failure rates were no different than the expensive ones. How do you know? Facts can be proven. Prove it. I know because I made all the computer component purchases for these machines. And I give first hand testimony that it's true. Now you have 2 choices. Either prove I'm a liar or stick it in your ass. And yes, that was a hostile statement. Can you tell the difference. The burden of proof fell on you when you characterized your information as fact. There is no way to prove it other than my word. I could give you all the service orders for every one of our customers (bring a semi) and let you go through them for PSU replacements. But then you could claim I didn't give you all of them. So what you get is sworned testimony that it is fact, and contrary to what you think, you must prove otherwise. You could have very well driven to the store last night and window shopped. Prove it. Get the point of what you are asking. get real. I also want to point out that 'cheap' is really the wrong word, cheap is relative. There are inexpensive power supplies that are good quality. The generic PS are the ones that you should beware of, that are pumped out of factories from god knows where and the 'brand' may only exist for a production run. -- Mac Cool Yep, there's probably some crap ones out there, and there's probably some crap expensive ones out there too.:-) -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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Wes Newell wrote in
newsan.2005.01.06.04.57.49.896934@TAKEOUTverizon .net: Yep, there's probably some crap ones out there, and there's probably some crap expensive ones out there too.:-) There no profit in crap expensive ones unless maybe you built a reputation making good ones first so people would pay more due to your great reputation as a quality manufacturer and then you flooded the market with crap. That wouldn't be a very smart business plan, though. On the other hand, if you make some cheap crap people will buy it just because it's cheap. And since there's no reputation to build (other than a bad one) you can just keep changing your name. |
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Was joking.
String wrote: I regret you have come to that assumption. I have not promoted or recommend ANY! products whatsoever, simply a caution to check products for quality before you part with your hard earned money and not to take an over zealous persons word on some cheap junk being all info you need. TTFN "Bonj" wrote in message ... You're not an IT person, you're a salesman! "String" wrote in message newsoUCd.32239$nN6.19123@edtnps84... Wrong on your cheep ram opinions as well. Cheap Ram is the number 2 cause of undiagnosable problems If it works for you that's good luck. You will not find any of that junk in top brands for a reason. Cheep ram comes out of low quality plants using thin cheap PCBs poor soldering metals cheap made chips or seconds from good manufactures. I also instituted a NO cheap ram policy at our shop and our return rate for PS and Ram went down 4000% labour at the shop made money with higher turnover. The number one ram maker counterfeit in Europe is hynix and 20% or more is fake (the Inquire or register last year). http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...how/182427.cms Cheap plants don't test chips just assemble and ship same as those **** poor crappie PS and don't care if they get a bad rep because they will have a new name next week.. An so you know the GOOD as well as POOR PS are made in those 50 cents an hour plants so your overpriced labour theory is more bunk to defend poor power supplies as quality with low labour. You are a stubborn person like my brother never change your mind or give ground even in the face of a mountain of proof, 100 people tell him one thing but some how they are all wrong and he is right. Good luck Wes, "Wes Newell" wrote in message newsan.2005.01.05.09.22.29.89637@TAKEOUTveriz on.net... On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:40:08 +0000, String wrote: Reminds me of the people who smoke and use the few examples of people who smoke and live to old age BUT the grave yard is full of those that make the bulk of smokers who did not. Not even close to what i said. I said the majority, somewhere between 90-95% of the hundreds of inexpensive PSU's I've used run 5 years or more. The one I put in the company server in about 1995 is still running. It cost about $20 then. Cheap power supplies have a **** poor success rate but you have one that's a miracle magic ones deifying average you think its something to promote to everyone. I don't know where you get your success rate figures from, but I know where mine come from, and the PSU works just as good as the expensive ones. Granted I don't run extensive test to see if they actually put out 100% of their ratings, but I don't care about that. At under $20 a pop they work, and work well enough for any system I've built. If they didn't, I wouldn't use them in my machine and certainly not in machines we sell and maintain at customers sites, since failures cost way more money in time than than the price of an expensive PSU. I was hired by a local shop to manage their tech shop, the money coming in was not equaling salaries out? I discovered the amount of power supply failures and problems associated with the same were taking half the day for most technicians. I instituted a NO cheap power supplies sold as stand alone or in cases. Those problems disappeared almost instantly freeing up our technicians to make money not diagnose $20 poor power supplies. Buy cheap buy twice, sell cheep pay too many technicians. (Ram as well) You stubbornly stick to promoting junk and if you made computers for my clients insisting using those **** poor power supplies you would not work for me. There's many reasons reasons you may have had so many failures. And if it took one of the techs I supervise a half a day to replace a PSU, he'd be looking for another job fast. Most PSU's can be changed in a matter of mintues. Certainly less than 30, not counting travel time. The failure rates you found could just as easily be contributed to the wrong size PSU ion the first place. I've seen this problem many times. I'll be the first to admit that cheap PSU's *may* be over rated. Simply buy one with that in mind and you should be fine. And don't worry, I'm not looking for a job. So I gather you don't like cheap ram either? That's all I use too.:-) A 60ns ram chip is a 60ns ram chip. Doesn't matter who's circuit board you stick it on as long as the ram is the same PN. I can see you waste a lot of money, so you would most definately not work for me, at least not for long. Want to know what I know about ram? I used to design, manufacture and sell ram upgrades. yep, I designed them, layed them out, had the boards manufactured, assembled, and distributed. So BS all the other people you want. I know better. Thought ? Do you work for the generic power supply consortium? Nope, I don't work at all any more. Now don't get me wrong, there are some trashy PSU's out there. I bought 20 old AT PSU's for $2 each. They even looked trashy. And they had a 20% failure rate within a few months. I know the others were still going after a couple of years. Needless to say, no more were purchased. But the majoirty of cheap psu's ( just not that cheap) work fine. I wish you continued success with your power supplies, Eyes Open Luck has nothing to do with it, but thanks. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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Bonj wrote:
Hello I have ordered a AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 1.8GHz chip and an Elite K8M800-M2 Skt 754 motherboard for it, with the intention of building up a 64-bit machine for general stuff like games, programming etc. I've also ordered a fairly cheap (but powerful - 500W) power supply off ebuyer for it. Apparently the chip comes with a heatsink and fan. The power supply is the cheapest 500W one on ebuyer, but it comes with "dual fans". Question really, is does anybody reckon I should have any worries about this configuration, and should I be thinking about getting any extra fans/cooling systems etc.? If so what sort, where to put them, etc.? OK, I built it up, and it runs fine. I put one exhaust fan at the back below the motherboard, and an intake fan at the front. I also drilled an array of holes in the front of the case to act as an air intake grill to maximise the effectiveness of the front fan. I built it up, and it worked fine first time. The (cheap) PSU has got two good chunky fans, and doesn't make too much noise. The only slight concern was that one of the PSU's fans is sticking out it's so big, so all the wires are bunched up against it, but I've sort of managed to ram them in between the drives giving it a bit more space. But the BIOS claims the chip temperature to be 41c, which is pretty good - it's using the stock heatsink and fan. |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:40:06 +0000, Bonj wrote:
But the BIOS claims the chip temperature to be 41c, which is pretty good - it's using the stock heatsink and fan. Contrary to what most people think, the bios does put a considerable load on the CPU. Check it at idle in the OS. I can reboot and watch the temps rise from what they were with the OS running. They go up about 6-8C with the bios running. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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Check it at idle in the OS
How? |
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Unfortunately, the motherboard CD, like a bitch, doesn't work.
"Ed" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:35:42 -0000, "Bonj" wrote: Check it at idle in the OS How? Check your mobo CD for health monitoring software , or download one of the freebies like Motherboard Monitor, SpeedFan, etc... |
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