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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:45:44 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: And you dont even try a clean NTFS drive, you CONVERTED a FAT32 drive. Once again you do not know what you are talking about. I created a new NTFS partition and copied all the files in the FAT32 partition to it. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:20:27 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: Remember it is not magic, nobody could have envisioned a system in the situation you have with a realistic testing of that scenario. Separate issue entirely to how the registry settings can be moved. Why don't you guys admit it - you don't know what is wrong here so you are putting me thru a merry chase to look like you do. There is nothing wrong with the removable bay. There is something very wrong with the Registry and exporting any part of it is possible to get the corruption problem all over again. The only solution, as has always been the case with Microsoft products, is to start over from the beginning - install a new Win2K and install all the apps over again. That's something I will be forced to do one day when Win2K becomes obsolete. In the meantime I can live with the problem, and I am curious to see if there is anyone who can attack the problem who knows what they are talking about instead of all this hacking around. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:20:27 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: There's no reason to think you're squeezing the last life out of 2K, it's a fine OS and no reason to go with XP if you're going to reinstall everything, Wrong, XP has a number of enhancements over 2K. Maybe they're important, or maybe not. He's got a shedload of software installed already, so he may not need some, or even all, the supposed enhancements. Particularly for a bonehead as bad as this one. But, he IS using Win2k right now! If he's familiar with any OS, it would tend to be what's presently on the system. Plus, XP may have some app or driver issues which means even more time hunting down newer/patched/etc code. actually with XP you may find that you have just an extra step of running the Wizard PLUS the other steps of files and registry. Nope. The worst he might have to do is to manually configure an app or two that it hasnt managed to cover very well. An app or two? Hardly, recall that he has myrid things that may even pre-date Win2k. The other thing it may do is carry over more bloat which is part of what it'd be good to get rid of on an installation so old and already migrated as it were, not to mention whatever's causing the problem. It's quite possible the XP Wizard helps expedite the process, also possible it will not reproduce the current problem with the system, but XP itself is a further cost, a further learning curve for some things, time to check or source the drivers/apps Remember it is not magic, nobody could have envisioned a system in the situation you have with a realistic testing of that scenario. Separate issue entirely to how the registry settings can be moved. And its completely trivial to try the wizard and see if it does manage to avoid the main problem he keeps whining about, the corruption and the duplicate entrys for the partitions in a couple of apps. Yes he could try it, but then he could (have) tried the clean win2k install too but hasn't. In the end buying and using XP for this process could have negligable to no gain. |
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Citizen Bob wrote
Rod Speed wrote Remember it is not magic, nobody could have envisioned a system in the situation you have with a realistic testing of that scenario. Separate issue entirely to how the registry settings can be moved. Why don't you guys admit it - you don't know what is wrong here We have both said repeatedly that there are a number of possibilitys and that the only viable option is to TRY what we have suggested to prove where the problem actually is. so you are putting me thru a merry chase to look like you do. Great way to get advice on how to work out where the problem is. And lets not forget that you have been mindlessly thrashing around for MORE THAN A YEAR and havent managed to fix it yourself. There is nothing wrong with the removable bay. You dont know that until you still get the corruption with the drive directly connected. And I've just won that bet too, I bet that you wouldnt actually try what is completely trivial to try to eliminate that POSSIBILITY. There is something very wrong with the Registry and exporting any part of it is possible to get the corruption problem all over again. Yes, but you dont know that it wont fix the problem too. THE ONLY WAY TO WORK OUT WHAT IS CAUSING THE CORRUPTION IS TO TRY VARIOUS POSSIBILITYS AND TO SEE WHICH IS IN FACT THE CAUSE OF THAT CORRUPTION. And it makes a lot more sense to try something easy to try like eliminating any possibility that its the removable drive bay than it is to try a completely clean install of all the apps from scratch, only to find that its actually a hardware problem in the first place. The only solution, as has always been the case with Microsoft products, is to start over from the beginning - install a new Win2K and install all the apps over again. That wont neccessarily fix the problem either if its a hardware problem. And it isnt the case with XP anyway. That's something I will be forced to do one day when Win2K becomes obsolete. No it isnt. The XP files and settings transfer wizard should work fine and might at most need a bit of minor config of a couple of apps out of the 100s you claim to use all the time. Corse it makes sense to try that on a spare drive and see if you still get the corruption, because its always possible that that is due to a hardware problem and not the OS install at all. In the meantime I can live with the problem, Gunna be hilarious if it ends up fanging you on the arse very spectacularly indeed. and I am curious to see if there is anyone who can attack the problem who knows what they are talking about instead of all this hacking around. There is no other way to decide if its a hardware problem or a ****ed OS install. Presumably thats the reason the chinese woman wiped her hands of your, she decided that you are terminally bone headed and a complete waste of time. Bet the US retailler did too, decided that you were a complete waste of time too and gave you a full refund because you werent worth wasting any more time on. |
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kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote There's no reason to think you're squeezing the last life out of 2K, it's a fine OS and no reason to go with XP if you're going to reinstall everything, Wrong, XP has a number of enhancements over 2K. Maybe they're important, or maybe not. Some of them are very useful. He's got a shedload of software installed already, so he may not need some, or even all, the supposed enhancements. Nothing 'supposed' about some of them like the system restore. That alone would clearly have helped him in the past. And none of his apps provide anything like that capability. Particularly for a bonehead as bad as this one. But, he IS using Win2k right now! Irrelevant to what makes sense in his situation now. If he's familiar with any OS, it would tend to be what's presently on the system. Not a shred of evidence that he's actually familiar with anything OS wise. He's so stupid that he cant even manage to work out what chkdsk is about and how to check whether corruption of the MFT is actually happening at other than boot time or shutdown time. He's so stupid that he cant even try one VERY simple check, see if the corruption is due to the removeable drive bay by seeing if it still happens with the drive directly connected. Plus, XP may have some app or driver issues which means even more time hunting down newer/patched/etc code. Easy enough to try a migration to a clean XP install using the files and settings transfer wizard to see if that fixes the problem and if there are any of those glitches. Not a shred of rocket science required at all, he even has a spare hard drive to try that with. His problem is that he doesnt have anything viable between his ears. actually with XP you may find that you have just an extra step of running the Wizard PLUS the other steps of files and registry. Nope. The worst he might have to do is to manually configure an app or two that it hasnt managed to cover very well. An app or two? Hardly, You dont know that. recall that he has myrid things that may even pre-date Win2k. There isnt much that does that has a problem with XP if it runs fine on 2K. The other thing it may do is carry over more bloat which is part of what it'd be good to get rid of on an installation so old and already migrated as it were, God knows what this is about. not to mention whatever's causing the problem. It wont necessarily even do that, it could be a hardware problem. It's quite possible the XP Wizard helps expedite the process, also possible it will not reproduce the current problem with the system, but XP itself is a further cost, He doesnt bother with legal copys. a further learning curve for some things, Nope, he can continue to do whatever he does with 2K. time to check or source the drivers/apps He already said that he has kept the app zip files etc. Remember it is not magic, nobody could have envisioned a system in the situation you have with a realistic testing of that scenario. Separate issue entirely to how the registry settings can be moved. And its completely trivial to try the wizard and see if it does manage to avoid the main problem he keeps whining about, the corruption and the duplicate entrys for the partitions in a couple of apps. Yes he could try it, but then he could (have) tried the clean win2k install too but hasn't. Because of the considerably greater effort required to go that route. In the end buying and using XP for this process could have negligable to no gain. Oh bull****. The system restore alone would have saved quite a bit of his time instead of hobbling along on an obsolete OS. And if the OS had got into one hell of a mess due to his terminal stupiditys, it would be a hell of a lot easier now to move to a clean XP install from the ****ed XP install using the files and settings transfer wizard now. |
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Citizen Bob wrote
Rod Speed wrote I created a new NTFS partition and copied all the files in the FAT32 partition to it. Pity you didnt mention that till now and were asking about a conversion from NTFS to FAT32. Hardly any of us can read minds. In spades when they are inside bone heads. |
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:30:12 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: kony wrote Rod Speed wrote There's no reason to think you're squeezing the last life out of 2K, it's a fine OS and no reason to go with XP if you're going to reinstall everything, Wrong, XP has a number of enhancements over 2K. Maybe they're important, or maybe not. Some of them are very useful. He's got a shedload of software installed already, so he may not need some, or even all, the supposed enhancements. Nothing 'supposed' about some of them like the system restore. That alone would clearly have helped him in the past. Do tell how system restore overrides a corrupted HDD filesystem. The resolution for that is what he is already doing, continually restoring a backup and losing any data/changes/etc made in the interim. And none of his apps provide anything like that capability. Particularly for a bonehead as bad as this one. But, he IS using Win2k right now! Irrelevant to what makes sense in his situation now. Sledge hammer? If he's familiar with any OS, it would tend to be what's presently on the system. Not a shred of evidence that he's actually familiar with anything OS wise. Well there's that part about running it... which is more than can be said about XP. Easy enough to try a migration to a clean XP install using the files and settings transfer wizard to see if that fixes the problem and if there are any of those glitches. Why would we need to use the files and settings transfer wizard to see if that fixes the problem? Clean OS install will certainly fix it, only through trying to move this frankensteined 2K installation to XP without control over exactly what's being added, would it tend to allow unresolvable reoccurance of the problem. To put it another way, IF he chooses to go with XP, IMO he should not use that wizard until after he has first tried mergining a few registry keys, leaving it alone for testing, then adding the application files. The least additions and changes at first will make it easier to see if the cause is reproduced. actually with XP you may find that you have just an extra step of running the Wizard PLUS the other steps of files and registry. Nope. The worst he might have to do is to manually configure an app or two that it hasnt managed to cover very well. An app or two? Hardly, You dont know that. I know that the odds are, with over 100 apps carried over from several years pre-2K era, there will be more than a couple things needing attention. Problem is Bob wants a comprehensive overview of what these things will be when we haven't even seen his system, left alone tried to migrate that particular combo of old and problematic software and/or settings. recall that he has myrid things that may even pre-date Win2k. There isnt much that does that has a problem with XP if it runs fine on 2K. Yes most things that'll run on 2k will on XP too, but that doesn't mean the XP wizard can get it all working without software reinstallation, user config, and possibly hidden key/validations recreation. It wont necessarily even do that, it could be a hardware problem. I won't rule it out but it's quite doubtful considering the duplicate volume entries shown in windows. It's quite possible the XP Wizard helps expedite the process, also possible it will not reproduce the current problem with the system, but XP itself is a further cost, He doesnt bother with legal copys. Even if this is true, with XP there's validation and escalated checking for patch purposes... so we'd have to suppose he's inclined to hack that out when he isn't even wanting to reinstall windows at all. a further learning curve for some things, Nope, he can continue to do whatever he does with 2K. If he doesn't configure or make use of anything else in XP over 2k, thus no learning, then XP's only benefit may be the wizard. Quite an expense just to get a wizard. Then again, he's been going on about Vista, and buying XP right now from the right vendors might get him an upgrade coupon for vista, so at least XP's cost is contributory towards another goal he has, regardless of whether we feel his aging system is a good vista candidate. time to check or source the drivers/apps He already said that he has kept the app zip files etc. yes, but presumably for what he has/had, NT/2K. We can't really ignore than jumping into (probably SP2 revision of) XP may require some updates to these. Maybe not, but remember that Bob is trying to use a crystal ball to see everything possible. Yes he could try it, but then he could (have) tried the clean win2k install too but hasn't. Because of the considerably greater effort required to go that route. Only if you assumed a magic wizard is a cure-all, otherwise he may have similar tasks to do PLUS the wizard with XP, though it'll transfer user preferences instead of that manually- though that is not so production inhibiting as not having any vital software working. In the end buying and using XP for this process could have negligable to no gain. Oh bull****. The system restore alone would have saved quite a bit of his time instead of hobbling along on an obsolete OS. He's made backups, what would you claim a system restore would do for him over an entire partition backup from the same moment in time? Apparently he doesn't have any such event to fall back on, so a system restore now is a day (ok, Years...) late, and preempted by the full partition backups he'll most certainly want to make if he has any hope of painlessly salvaging what's left on the drive after this continual corruptive cycle. And if the OS had got into one hell of a mess due to his terminal stupiditys, it would be a hell of a lot easier now to move to a clean XP install from the ****ed XP install using the files and settings transfer wizard now. .... except for the things that don't (then) work, requiring the other steps anyway. If he wants XP, ok, but at this point the problem is not which OS he chooses, it's that he hasn't started a replacement installation of either. |
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kony wrote
Rod Speed wrote kony wrote Rod Speed wrote There's no reason to think you're squeezing the last life out of 2K, it's a fine OS and no reason to go with XP if you're going to reinstall everything, Wrong, XP has a number of enhancements over 2K. Maybe they're important, or maybe not. Some of them are very useful. He's got a shedload of software installed already, so he may not need some, or even all, the supposed enhancements. Nothing 'supposed' about some of them like the system restore. That alone would clearly have helped him in the past. Do tell how system restore overrides a corrupted HDD filesystem. Never said it would. It may well have helped with the partitions ending up with duplicated entrys in some apps tho. The resolution for that is what he is already doing, continually restoring a backup and losing any data/changes/etc made in the interim. Duh. And none of his apps provide anything like that capability. Particularly for a bonehead as bad as this one. But, he IS using Win2k right now! Irrelevant to what makes sense in his situation now. Sledge hammer? Nope, working out what is corrupting the MFT, hardware or ****ed OS install, since it cant be one of the apps he runs now. If he's familiar with any OS, it would tend to be what's presently on the system. Not a shred of evidence that he's actually familiar with anything OS wise. Well there's that part about running it... which is more than can be said about XP. Wrong again. He can run XP just like he runs 2K now if he wants to. Easy enough to try a migration to a clean XP install using the files and settings transfer wizard to see if that fixes the problem and if there are any of those glitches. Why would we need to use the files and settings transfer wizard to see if that fixes the problem? Because that is the easiest way to do a clean OS install, stupid. Clean OS install will certainly fix it, You dont know that. It could be a hardware problem. only through trying to move this frankensteined 2K installation to XP without control over exactly what's being added, would it tend to allow unresolvable reoccurance of the problem. Mindless silly stuff when its a clean install of XP, not an upgrade. Its actually significantly easier to try a clean OS install with XP instead of 2K, just because the wizard isnt available with 2K. And if he still gets the MFT corruption after using the wizard, he can try another clean install of XP, dont migrate any of the apps at all and see if he still gets the corruption of the MFT. If he doesnt he can cut to the chase and manually install those apps then. Corse he's so bone headed that he wont do that, because he so bone headed that he would prefer to waste MUCH more time over the next year or so fixing the corrupted MFT manually every week than to manually install the apps again. To put it another way, IF he chooses to go with XP, IMO he should not use that wizard until after he has first tried mergining a few registry keys, leaving it alone for testing, then adding the application files. It would be better to not bother with any registry keys at all, just see whether a clean install of XP corrupts the MFT when running ImPerfect Disk. That would be one way of completely eliminating any possibility of a hardware problem being the cause of the corrupted MFT. Corse he's so bone headed that he wont even try that VERY easy test either. The least additions and changes at first will make it easier to see if the cause is reproduced. Yes, but it makes more sense to try the virgin XP install first when its so easy to use ImPerfect Disk to see if it corrupts the MFT since it does with the 2K install. actually with XP you may find that you have just an extra step of running the Wizard PLUS the other steps of files and registry. Nope. The worst he might have to do is to manually configure an app or two that it hasnt managed to cover very well. An app or two? Hardly, You dont know that. I know that the odds are, with over 100 apps carried over from several years pre-2K era, there will be more than a couple things needing attention. You dont even know how many of the apps are actually that old. Problem is Bob wants a comprehensive overview of what these things will be when we haven't even seen his system, left alone tried to migrate that particular combo of old and problematic software and/or settings. The real problem is that he's so bone headed that he is actually stupid enough to prefer to manually repair the MFT corruption weekly, over more than a year, instead of even trying the most basic test like checking if a clean virgin XP install sees any MFT corruption. Presumably thats what saw him getting the bums rush from his last paid employment. recall that he has myrid things that may even pre-date Win2k. There isnt much that does that has a problem with XP if it runs fine on 2K. Yes most things that'll run on 2k will on XP too, but that doesn't mean the XP wizard can get it all working without software reinstallation, user config, and possibly hidden key/validations recreation. Never said it is guaranteed to. In fact I repeatedly said that the worst that might happen is that a few apps might have to be dont manually. Its very unlikely to be more than a few tho. It wont necessarily even do that, it could be a hardware problem. I won't rule it out but it's quite doubtful considering the duplicate volume entries shown in windows. Those dont show in Win, only in a couple of his apps. It's quite possible the XP Wizard helps expedite the process, also possible it will not reproduce the current problem with the system, but XP itself is a further cost, He doesnt bother with legal copys. Even if this is true, with XP there's validation and escalated checking for patch purposes... Not if you have a clue and use a corporate XP. so we'd have to suppose he's inclined to hack that out when he isn't even wanting to reinstall windows at all. You dont need to if you have enough of a clue to use a corporate XP. Corse its a big ask to assume he actually has a clue about anything at all or have enough viable between his ears to be able to even accept that recommended approach either. a further learning curve for some things, Nope, he can continue to do whatever he does with 2K. If he doesn't configure or make use of anything else in XP over 2k, thus no learning, then XP's only benefit may be the wizard. Wrong, there are quite a few other conveniences too. Many of them just see XP making it harder for stupids to do things dangerously and others just making life easier like with the completely automatic detection and appropriate app launching when you plug in stuff as basic as a camera etc even if he's such a dinosaur that he would touch an ipod if you paid him etc. Quite an expense just to get a wizard. No expense whatever if you choose not to pay for it. Then again, he's been going on about Vista, and buying XP right now from the right vendors might get him an upgrade coupon for vista, He doesnt appear to buy any software that its possible to download. so at least XP's cost is contributory towards another goal he has, regardless of whether we feel his aging system is a good vista candidate. I bet vista is just more talk and he wont ever buy it. time to check or source the drivers/apps He already said that he has kept the app zip files etc. yes, but presumably for what he has/had, NT/2K. We can't really ignore than jumping into (probably SP2 revision of) XP may require some updates to these. No big deal if that only involves a couple/few. Maybe not, but remember that Bob is trying to use a crystal ball to see everything possible. That's just his excuse to justify actually doing anything except continuing to waste heaps of time manually repairing the MFT corruption weekly, and the cloning that has to be done at a high rate because that happens. He's actually too stupid to use TI's incremental backups. Yes he could try it, but then he could (have) tried the clean win2k install too but hasn't. Because of the considerably greater effort required to go that route. Only if you assumed a magic wizard is a cure-all, Doesnt have to be a cure all, ALL it needs to do is substantially reduce the number of apps that need to be manually configured. otherwise he may have similar tasks to do PLUS the wizard with XP, Mindlessly silly. though it'll transfer user preferences instead of that manually- Which alone is a substantial saving of effort. though that is not so production inhibiting as not having any vital software working. Its completely trivial to try the XP wizard and see if that very unlikely outcome happens and reconsider the migration to XP if that does fix the MFT corruption problem. In the end buying and using XP for this process could have negligable to no gain. Oh bull****. The system restore alone would have saved quite a bit of his time instead of hobbling along on an obsolete OS. He's made backups, And doing that by cloning at the high rate that needs to be done because of the high rate of MFT corruption is alone one hell of a lot more effort than even manually doing a clean install of 2K. what would you claim a system restore would do for him over an entire partition backup from the same moment in time? If the clean install of XP doesnt see any MFT corruption, it would allow him to do the backups at a much lower rate and while he is too stupid to actually use TI incremental backups instead for the effortlessness of those, it would allow him to do a system restore when something else goes pear shaped in the future, as its absolutely guaranteed to do given the terminal stupidity of so much of what he does. System restores are MUCH faster than restoring by cloning. Apparently he doesn't have any such event to fall back on, so a system restore now is a day (ok, Years...) late, Yes, but he's learnt his lesson from that one. He didnt have the clone backups for that one either. and preempted by the full partition backups he'll most certainly want to make if he has any hope of painlessly salvaging what's left on the drive after this continual corruptive cycle. Yes, but if the XP install does eliminate the MFT corruption, he may well stop cloning at such a high rate, and then he will benefit from being able to do a system restore when he ****s up in the future, and that is absolutely guaranteed to happen given the terminal stupidity of so much of what he does. And if the OS had got into one hell of a mess due to his terminal stupiditys, it would be a hell of a lot easier now to move to a clean XP install from the ****ed XP install using the files and settings transfer wizard now. ... except for the things that don't (then) work, requiring the other steps anyway. It always works fine when using it from one XP install to another. If he wants XP, ok, but at this point the problem is not which OS he chooses, it's that he hasn't started a replacement installation of either. Yes, but doing a clean install with XP is sure to require much less effort because of the wizard, so its more likely that it will eventually get thru his thick skull that its worth trying, if only to avoid the effort of manually repairing the MFT corruption weekly, with the the real risk that it might end up fanging him on the arse very comprehensively indeed one day. He isnt completely stupid, he did manage to grasp the need for backups. He's got one hell of a capacity for painting himself into a corner and did so with that stupid raid approach and kept adamently insisting that it was working fine until even he managed to realise that it wasnt. Its going to be interesting to see if he actually is so stupid as to continue to manually repair the MFT corruption weekly for another year or two. Corse he wont have the balls to admit that now. |
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