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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
http://tinyurl.com/3htnuq
I've never heard Jen-Hsun go on about Intel like that in a conference call before. He must truly be worried about Intel's upcoming Larrabee architecture. I think Larrabee scares the living **** out of him. |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
On Apr 11, 12:52 am, NV55 wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3htnuq I've never heard Jen-Hsun go on about Intel like that in a conference call before. He must truly be worried about Intel's upcoming Larrabee architecture. I think Larrabee scares the living **** out of him. Larrabee is nothing. Huang was right to say that Larabee, which will come out to the market in 2010, is inferior to current crop of low-end GPU, such as Radeon HD 2600, which has a whooping 120 stream processors ! If you take account of the top GPUs that is available today, all equipped with 512 stream processors (and more!), Larrabee, with its puny 16-core, is nothing. By 2010, top-of-the-line GPU would have 1K or more processors embedded inside. How long would it take Intel to come up with 1K-core Larrabee?? Stop and think. Don't buy into Intel's FUD. |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
pg wrote:
Stop and think. Don't buy into Intel's FUD. It's not FUD, it's a challenge. Nvidia has hopped on the treadmill for the 9-series and it shows. Intel is demonstrating that they will be able to accomplish the equivalent of on-board graphics in the CPU, negating the need for a discrete card in those segments. Maybe not negating, but now there is an option where there wasn't before. Those segments are what makes nvidia rich enough to waste money building high end cards that precious few people buy. (But generate all the talk.) Bring it all on, better CPUs better GPUs, better everything. As it stands the only progress we currently have in this world is tech, let the players go at it, there are precious few players left at that level. One last thing, and significantly, lets pretend Intel comes out with a geforce 7 class solution today for core 3 and 4 of their multi-core CPUs...bang there it is. Now what? Intel now has additional burden of writing graphics drivers that nvidia has been doing for some time and still can't quite nail down. Even with a decade of experience and gobbling up any skilled driver writer they can find. Lastly, this isn't anything new. Intel has had forays into this arena before with discrete cards, the i740 ring anyone's bell? That miserable piece of silicon was the equivalent of on-board video in a discrete card, any gamer who was fooled into buying one, saw the lack of results first hand. |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
Ed writes:
Intel hasn't made a decent integrated graphics chip to date Eh? My work pc has some kind of old intel integrated graphics (i845?) and it's just fine, does a very decent job of running opengl apps etc. Newer chips are supposedly much faster (and the upcoming generation even better of course). Intel knows their market. I suppose gamers want something much studlier, but what intel makes is fine for normal use. Intel's also made a lot of friends because of their very open attitude -- while nvidia is _still_ pulling the "no you can't have the specs that allow you to support our hardware" bull****. [They'll come around eventually, but in the meantime it sure as hell isn't making them look any better.] In any case, the Nvidia guy's rant seemed pretty pathetic... If he wants to project confidence, that was exactly the way _not_ to do it. -Miles -- ((lambda (x) (list x x)) (lambda (x) (list x x))) |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
Ed wrote:
Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps, How do you figure that? Seems to work fine for me. |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
"chrisv" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps, How do you figure that? Seems to work fine for me. They do work fine for what they are designed to do, basic 2d and 3d rendering. The more complex the video needs, the worse the performance. Nvidia will be around a long time in their market. These are two completely different markets. Ed |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
Ed wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:03:17 -0500, "Shawn" wrote: Onboard video GPUs almost always suck at high end games. Good for the office but bad for the battlefield. Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps, forget 3D! Like what? The X3100 in my machine does just fine with Autodesk Inventor; it certainly doesn't have any trouble with Word or Excel or Visual Studio, etc. So, um, are you just trolling, perhaps? -- Mike Smith |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
Ed writes:
Intel hasn't made a decent integrated graphics chip to date Eh? My work pc has some kind of old intel integrated graphics (i845?) Some of our work PCs have Intel graphics, they pretty much suck IMO. Do you have anything to back up such a broad claim? As I said in the text you omitted in your quoting, Intel's embedded chips -- even the low-end ones -- seem to work absolutely fine for many tasks that that need some 3d/opengl support to work sanely (blender, compiz, etc). Not the best for gaming certainly, but many, many, uses of 3d have nothing to do with gaming. Of course the (low-end!) intel cards in question also work great for 2d. (something which you, bizarrely denied in a subsequent post). [Note that the reason I know those apps "need" 3d support to work sanely is because I've tried them on systems with a 2d-only card... not fun... :-] -Miles -- Scriptures, n. The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based. |
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Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang Opens A Can of Words on Intel
On Apr 21, 4:33 pm, Mike Smith
wrote: Ed wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:03:17 -0500, "Shawn" wrote: Onboard video GPUs almost always suck at high end games. Good for the office but bad for the battlefield. Intel integrated GPUs aren't even good for most 2D office apps, forget 3D! Like what? The X3100 in my machine does just fine with Autodesk Inventor; it certainly doesn't have any trouble with Word or Excel or Visual Studio, etc. So, um, are you just trolling, perhaps? -- Mike Smith For me, office apps means visual simulation and virtual conferences. On board video chips just can't hack that. |
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