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Driver issue??????
I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently & it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. -- bernard8950 |
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Driver issue??????
On 10/14/2010 9:01 AM, bernard8950 wrote:
I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently& it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. Driver issue?????? Quite likely. Also Crysis was not fully debugged for DX10-11, particularly in the latter "chapters". Running in DX9 set from the command line or a batch file, you can force DX( mode. |
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Driver issue??????
Chuck;911684 Wrote: On 10/14/2010 9:01 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently& it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. - Driver issue?????? Quite likely. Also Crysis was not fully debugged for DX10-11, particularly in the latter "chapters". Running in DX9 set from the command line or a batch file, you can force DX( mode. Thanks for replying Chuck. You're right about the game crashing more in the latter part of the game. Despite updating all the drivers the problem persisted.I read in other forums that players had similar problems & there was one solution which I hadn't tried out; and that is, reducing graphics to medium. I did that and it did work wonders and crashes were rarer. So it's not a driver issue. By the way, the card reached a temp. of 72 degree Celcius at one stage. Is that too high? I don't think that caused the game to crash. Normal temp. is around 62 Celcius. I'm trying out other games and be interesting to see if the same problem recurs? -- bernard8950 |
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Driver issue??????
On 10/16/2010 6:25 AM, bernard8950 wrote:
Chuck;911684 Wrote: On 10/14/2010 9:01 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently& it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. - Driver issue?????? Quite likely. Also Crysis was not fully debugged for DX10-11, particularly in the latter "chapters". Running in DX9 set from the command line or a batch file, you can force DX( mode. Thanks for replying Chuck. You're right about the game crashing more in the latter part of the game. Despite updating all the drivers the problem persisted.I read in other forums that players had similar problems& there was one solution which I hadn't tried out; and that is, reducing graphics to medium. I did that and it did work wonders and crashes were rarer. So it's not a driver issue. By the way, the card reached a temp. of 72 degree Celcius at one stage. Is that too high? I don't think that caused the game to crash. Normal temp. is around 62 Celcius. I'm trying out other games and be interesting to see if the same problem recurs? Actually, the fact that it works at lower resolutions does not eliminate a driver issue. The reasoning behind this gets a bit involved. Seems that it's possible (at the higher resolutions) to process significantly more data in a shorter period of time. The higher resolutions also use more video memory. Crashes in Crysis and other programs usually exhibit some form of video corruption. Further, The corruption can persist until the system is rebooted or restarted. Additional symptoms include such things as DX dlls crashing, and even "C" library dlls. Just to add to the spice, similar problems were occurring in both ATI and Nvidia cards with various driver versions. Since the problems originally occurred quite soon after Crysis was started (In the higher resolution/performance modes), and seemed to occur later in lower performance modes, the seemingly obvious conclusion was that the cards were overheating. This, so far, has not proven to be true. (It's still possible that specific areas inside the GPU are failing due to localized overheating.) Driver crashes and auto recovery are still occurring. What is peculiar is that a card and driver may pass all the "stress" tests, and functional tests, yet still fail under Crysis and other software that stresses the video system. I really expect to see changes in the DX dlls, the "C" dlls, and possibly other windows dlls, along with driver changes that may help. It's often true that the developers used video hardware that was quite different from that in common use today. Crysis was originally developed based upon some hardware that was still in a development status, or even just a set of proposed standards. I do know that Crysis was a source of a lot of video related trouble, and further debug efforts were suspended some time ago by the developers. Crysis Warhead was developed/debugged after Crysis, and seems to be less prone to video problems. (There are still some) Again they seemed to occur more often in the later parts of the game, and involve lots of fast detailed graphics and rapid player inputs. Multicore processors may compound the problems at the same time they allow faster response. I have fought with Crysis and Crysis Warhead for some time. Originally, under XP witholder video cards, then on a HP "media" laptop with a fairly decent video system, and finally with two fairly fast win 7 systems. Each system has totally different video cards. The only commonality is that either Nvidia or ATI video cards/GPUs are installed. The Laptop has an Nvidia Video chipset, and the Win 7 machines use AMD MBD chipsets with either an Nvidia 460 card or ATI 5770 cards(Crossfire). The problems may eventually be traced back to the actual GPUs and end of line testing that "misses" something. The drivers can often be changed to work around such problems, and this cycle of events has occurred in previous GPUs. |
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Driver issue??????
Chuck;911732 Wrote: On 10/16/2010 6:25 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- Chuck;911684 Wrote:- On 10/14/2010 9:01 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently& it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. - Driver issue?????? Quite likely. Also Crysis was not fully debugged for DX10-11, particularly in the latter "chapters". Running in DX9 set from the command line or a batch file, you can force DX( mode.- Thanks for replying Chuck. You're right about the game crashing more in the latter part of the game. Despite updating all the drivers the problem persisted.I read in other forums that players had similar problems& there was one solution which I hadn't tried out; and that is, reducing graphics to medium. I did that and it did work wonders and crashes were rarer. So it's not a driver issue. By the way, the card reached a temp. of 72 degree Celcius at one stage. Is that too high? I don't think that caused the game to crash. Normal temp. is around 62 Celcius. I'm trying out other games and be interesting to see if the same problem recurs? - Actually, the fact that it works at lower resolutions does not eliminate a driver issue. The reasoning behind this gets a bit involved. Seems that it's possible (at the higher resolutions) to process significantly more data in a shorter period of time. The higher resolutions also use more video memory. Crashes in Crysis and other programs usually exhibit some form of video corruption. Further, The corruption can persist until the system is rebooted or restarted. Additional symptoms include such things as DX dlls crashing, and even "C" library dlls. Just to add to the spice, similar problems were occurring in both ATI and Nvidia cards with various driver versions. Since the problems originally occurred quite soon after Crysis was started (In the higher resolution/performance modes), and seemed to occur later in lower performance modes, the seemingly obvious conclusion was that the cards were overheating. This, so far, has not proven to be true. (It's still possible that specific areas inside the GPU are failing due to localized overheating.) Driver crashes and auto recovery are still occurring. What is peculiar is that a card and driver may pass all the "stress" tests, and functional tests, yet still fail under Crysis and other software that stresses the video system. I really expect to see changes in the DX dlls, the "C" dlls, and possibly other windows dlls, along with driver changes that may help. It's often true that the developers used video hardware that was quite different from that in common use today. Crysis was originally developed based upon some hardware that was still in a development status, or even just a set of proposed standards. I do know that Crysis was a source of a lot of video related trouble, and further debug efforts were suspended some time ago by the developers. Crysis Warhead was developed/debugged after Crysis, and seems to be less prone to video problems. (There are still some) Again they seemed to occur more often in the later parts of the game, and involve lots of fast detailed graphics and rapid player inputs. Multicore processors may compound the problems at the same time they allow faster response. I have fought with Crysis and Crysis Warhead for some time. Originally, under XP witholder video cards, then on a HP "media" laptop with a fairly decent video system, and finally with two fairly fast win 7 systems. Each system has totally different video cards. The only commonality is that either Nvidia or ATI video cards/GPUs are installed. The Laptop has an Nvidia Video chipset, and the Win 7 machines use AMD MBD chipsets with either an Nvidia 460 card or ATI 5770 cards(Crossfire). The problems may eventually be traced back to the actual GPUs and end of line testing that "misses" something. The drivers can often be changed to work around such problems, and this cycle of events has occurred in previous GPUs. I can see this is not a straightforward issue to sort out. Anyway, I'm replaying the game on medium and let's see if I'm going to experience the crashes I had experienced while the graphics were set high. Watch this space. -- bernard8950 |
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Driver issue??????
On 10/20/2010 1:48 PM, bernard8950 wrote:
Chuck;911732 Wrote: On 10/16/2010 6:25 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- Chuck;911684 Wrote:- On 10/14/2010 9:01 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently& it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. - Driver issue?????? Quite likely. Also Crysis was not fully debugged for DX10-11, particularly in the latter "chapters". Running in DX9 set from the command line or a batch file, you can force DX( mode.- Thanks for replying Chuck. You're right about the game crashing more in the latter part of the game. Despite updating all the drivers the problem persisted.I read in other forums that players had similar problems& there was one solution which I hadn't tried out; and that is, reducing graphics to medium. I did that and it did work wonders and crashes were rarer. So it's not a driver issue. By the way, the card reached a temp. of 72 degree Celcius at one stage. Is that too high? I don't think that caused the game to crash. Normal temp. is around 62 Celcius. I'm trying out other games and be interesting to see if the same problem recurs? - Actually, the fact that it works at lower resolutions does not eliminate a driver issue. The reasoning behind this gets a bit involved. Seems that it's possible (at the higher resolutions) to process significantly more data in a shorter period of time. The higher resolutions also use more video memory. Crashes in Crysis and other programs usually exhibit some form of video corruption. Further, The corruption can persist until the system is rebooted or restarted. Additional symptoms include such things as DX dlls crashing, and even "C" library dlls. Just to add to the spice, similar problems were occurring in both ATI and Nvidia cards with various driver versions. Since the problems originally occurred quite soon after Crysis was started (In the higher resolution/performance modes), and seemed to occur later in lower performance modes, the seemingly obvious conclusion was that the cards were overheating. This, so far, has not proven to be true. (It's still possible that specific areas inside the GPU are failing due to localized overheating.) Driver crashes and auto recovery are still occurring. What is peculiar is that a card and driver may pass all the "stress" tests, and functional tests, yet still fail under Crysis and other software that stresses the video system. I really expect to see changes in the DX dlls, the "C" dlls, and possibly other windows dlls, along with driver changes that may help. It's often true that the developers used video hardware that was quite different from that in common use today. Crysis was originally developed based upon some hardware that was still in a development status, or even just a set of proposed standards. I do know that Crysis was a source of a lot of video related trouble, and further debug efforts were suspended some time ago by the developers. Crysis Warhead was developed/debugged after Crysis, and seems to be less prone to video problems. (There are still some) Again they seemed to occur more often in the later parts of the game, and involve lots of fast detailed graphics and rapid player inputs. Multicore processors may compound the problems at the same time they allow faster response. I have fought with Crysis and Crysis Warhead for some time. Originally, under XP witholder video cards, then on a HP "media" laptop with a fairly decent video system, and finally with two fairly fast win 7 systems. Each system has totally different video cards. The only commonality is that either Nvidia or ATI video cards/GPUs are installed. The Laptop has an Nvidia Video chipset, and the Win 7 machines use AMD MBD chipsets with either an Nvidia 460 card or ATI 5770 cards(Crossfire). The problems may eventually be traced back to the actual GPUs and end of line testing that "misses" something. The drivers can often be changed to work around such problems, and this cycle of events has occurred in previous GPUs. I can see this is not a straightforward issue to sort out. Anyway, I'm replaying the game on medium and let's see if I'm going to experience the crashes I had experienced while the graphics were set high. Watch this space. Something I forgot to mention-- In the latter parts of Crysis & Crysis Warhead, quite a bit of mouse movement and button action is required. On my systems, the most prone to crash times involve rapid display updating due to game play, and rapid mouse movement with "fire" button use. The Mice & Trackballs I use are the USB types both with just the Microsoft drivers, and sometimes with Logitech drivers. Normally, I like to standardize on just the MS drivers. Some have suggested that taking a four core processor down to two cores can help. I haven't bothered to try this. |
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Driver issue??????
On 10/24/2010 1:09 AM, Chuck wrote:
On 10/20/2010 1:48 PM, bernard8950 wrote: Chuck;911732 Wrote: On 10/16/2010 6:25 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- Chuck;911684 Wrote:- On 10/14/2010 9:01 AM, bernard8950 wrote:- I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently& it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. - Driver issue?????? Quite likely. Also Crysis was not fully debugged for DX10-11, particularly in the latter "chapters". Running in DX9 set from the command line or a batch file, you can force DX( mode.- Thanks for replying Chuck. You're right about the game crashing more in the latter part of the game. Despite updating all the drivers the problem persisted.I read in other forums that players had similar problems& there was one solution which I hadn't tried out; and that is, reducing graphics to medium. I did that and it did work wonders and crashes were rarer. So it's not a driver issue. By the way, the card reached a temp. of 72 degree Celcius at one stage. Is that too high? I don't think that caused the game to crash. Normal temp. is around 62 Celcius. I'm trying out other games and be interesting to see if the same problem recurs? - Actually, the fact that it works at lower resolutions does not eliminate a driver issue. The reasoning behind this gets a bit involved. Seems that it's possible (at the higher resolutions) to process significantly more data in a shorter period of time. The higher resolutions also use more video memory. Crashes in Crysis and other programs usually exhibit some form of video corruption. Further, The corruption can persist until the system is rebooted or restarted. Additional symptoms include such things as DX dlls crashing, and even "C" library dlls. Just to add to the spice, similar problems were occurring in both ATI and Nvidia cards with various driver versions. Since the problems originally occurred quite soon after Crysis was started (In the higher resolution/performance modes), and seemed to occur later in lower performance modes, the seemingly obvious conclusion was that the cards were overheating. This, so far, has not proven to be true. (It's still possible that specific areas inside the GPU are failing due to localized overheating.) Driver crashes and auto recovery are still occurring. What is peculiar is that a card and driver may pass all the "stress" tests, and functional tests, yet still fail under Crysis and other software that stresses the video system. I really expect to see changes in the DX dlls, the "C" dlls, and possibly other windows dlls, along with driver changes that may help. It's often true that the developers used video hardware that was quite different from that in common use today. Crysis was originally developed based upon some hardware that was still in a development status, or even just a set of proposed standards. I do know that Crysis was a source of a lot of video related trouble, and further debug efforts were suspended some time ago by the developers. Crysis Warhead was developed/debugged after Crysis, and seems to be less prone to video problems. (There are still some) Again they seemed to occur more often in the later parts of the game, and involve lots of fast detailed graphics and rapid player inputs. Multicore processors may compound the problems at the same time they allow faster response. I have fought with Crysis and Crysis Warhead for some time. Originally, under XP witholder video cards, then on a HP "media" laptop with a fairly decent video system, and finally with two fairly fast win 7 systems. Each system has totally different video cards. The only commonality is that either Nvidia or ATI video cards/GPUs are installed. The Laptop has an Nvidia Video chipset, and the Win 7 machines use AMD MBD chipsets with either an Nvidia 460 card or ATI 5770 cards(Crossfire). The problems may eventually be traced back to the actual GPUs and end of line testing that "misses" something. The drivers can often be changed to work around such problems, and this cycle of events has occurred in previous GPUs. I can see this is not a straightforward issue to sort out. Anyway, I'm replaying the game on medium and let's see if I'm going to experience the crashes I had experienced while the graphics were set high. Watch this space. Something I forgot to mention-- In the latter parts of Crysis & Crysis Warhead, quite a bit of mouse movement and button action is required. On my systems, the most prone to crash times involve rapid display updating due to game play, and rapid mouse movement with "fire" button use. The Mice & Trackballs I use are the USB types both with just the Microsoft drivers, and sometimes with Logitech drivers. Normally, I like to standardize on just the MS drivers. Some have suggested that taking a four core processor down to two cores can help. I haven't bothered to try this. The 10.10 driver seems to be a little bit better in some ways. Driver bailouts seem to be more graceful, and so far return you to where you were in the game. But, not completely eliminated, and the driver seems by test to be fractionally slower. (At least in Crossfire mode) |
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Driver issue??????
bernard8950;912005 Wrote: I can see this is not a straightforward issue to sort out. Anyway, I'm replaying the game on medium and let's see if I'm going to experience the crashes I had experienced while the graphics were set high. Watch this space. The game started nicely but I'm afraid to say that it kept crashing at the latter part no matter what graphics resolution was set. It even crashed when I was a few minutes into the game. Temp. running at 72 C during the game. -- bernard8950 |
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Driver issue??????
On 10/27/2010 8:02 AM, bernard8950 wrote:
bernard8950;912005 Wrote: I can see this is not a straightforward issue to sort out. Anyway, I'm replaying the game on medium and let's see if I'm going to experience the crashes I had experienced while the graphics were set high. Watch this space. The game started nicely but I'm afraid to say that it kept crashing at the latter part no matter what graphics resolution was set. It even crashed when I was a few minutes into the game. Temp. running at 72 C during the game. Perhaps you once had an Nvidia card installed? Anyway, One of the things I tried was to bring the system up using the MS VGA/SVGA driver only. This allowed me to make sure that no ATI or Nvidia drivers were active. Earlier version CCC and other AMD software was uninstalled. The registry was checked for left over entries and any obvious ATI and Nvidia video card related entries were eliminated. (I did save sections so that they might be restored if necessary.) There may have been some left over from the earlier ATI drivers included in Win 7, which installed automatically. Any ATI startup entries were removed. In my case my win 7 32b system was first used with an older Nvidia card I had around until an HD4890 was installed. The card had many of the problems you mentioned. Switching to an HD 5770 was a slight improvement, but still no cigar. Finally, after a series of driver updates, things calmed down quite a bit. Still not flawless. Crysis Warhead will still occasionally crash to the menu. However, Resume game gets me back to the game, instead of a hard crash to desktop or worse. |
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Driver issue??????
I have the same problem in my XP Pro. SP3 box with the same video card
but 512 MB and older drivers (v9.x). I think Crysis is just super buggy. Before that, my NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT KO (512 MB of RAM) was stable but slow with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 system. bernard8950 wrote: I'm playing Crysis (single player) currently & it crashes quite often. My System: Asus Pro Turbo MOBO Intel Processor E8400 ATI HD4870 1GB PSU - 650W 4GB RAM Video card driver is 10.8. Sometimes it runs smoothly and the frame rates are high even though all graphics set to optimum. Running resolution on 17" monitor at 1280 x 1024. I was wondering if it would help if I changed it to an earlier driver, eg; 10.2. Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thank you. -- Quote of the Week: "The antics begin!" --SimAnt Game /\___/\ Ant @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. If crediting, ( ) then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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