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ASUS P4R800-VM not booting
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Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks |
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maybe your computer was confused about weather you have 128Mb of ram or
128Kb or 128Gb of ram.......even i don't understand what 128Mb Kb memory is......lol however, have you tried to move your HD to the secondary controller and install your O/S of choice from there? did you setup your BIOS properly? cpu frenqency, bus speed, blah blah..... flop "NMK" wrote in : Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks |
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In article , "NMK"
wrote: Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks It sounds like two problems. First, you should get a copy of memtest+ from memtest.org and test the memory. You may need to manually adjust memory timing parameters, to get an error free memory subsystem. You should not install/run an OS unless the memory has been tested as being completely error free. The second problem sounds like an ACPI/power management problem. You have your machine set to go into a lower power state after some interval of time, and it is not recovering from that state. Get a copy of "dumppo.exe" and see what it says about which states are currently supported by your motherboard. Otherwise, try disabling all options to suspend to RAM etc in Windows. It could be that some driver is incompatible with ACPI, hard to say. (I am assuming here, from your description, that when the screen is blank, you left the machine running overnight, and we are not talking about turning on the power first thing in the morning...) HTH, Paul |
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Thanks for the replies.
Just to clarify, The lack of response always comes after a power-on when the system was off for several hours. If the system comes on, it seems to run fine. If I turn it off, then, say leave it overnight and go back to it the next day, depending on its mood, it may choose to respond or not! I will run memtest the next time the system comes on!! So far, since a couple of days ago, it has refused to come back on!! As far as the settings go, there is not much I can set on this motherboard. The CPU frequency is autodetected, the memory settings is for onboard video and slow/fast CAS. I have set these to different parameters and the problem still persists. Also, it is not related to the HD controller. During the time that it is not responding, it will do so irrespective of whether an HD is connected or not. If the HD is connected, it won't spin. thanks again. "Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks It sounds like two problems. First, you should get a copy of memtest+ from memtest.org and test the memory. You may need to manually adjust memory timing parameters, to get an error free memory subsystem. You should not install/run an OS unless the memory has been tested as being completely error free. The second problem sounds like an ACPI/power management problem. You have your machine set to go into a lower power state after some interval of time, and it is not recovering from that state. Get a copy of "dumppo.exe" and see what it says about which states are currently supported by your motherboard. Otherwise, try disabling all options to suspend to RAM etc in Windows. It could be that some driver is incompatible with ACPI, hard to say. (I am assuming here, from your description, that when the screen is blank, you left the machine running overnight, and we are not talking about turning on the power first thing in the morning...) HTH, Paul |
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Sounds to me like a power supply issue- either over-loaded or poorly
implemented. I have this board in an Antec Minuet and have not had any of your described symptoms. STR works flawlessly. The only gripe I have is that the WOL management for the onboard NIC is poor. Relevant Specs: 2.6GHz Celeron 2X 256MB generic PC2100 in dual channel 30GB HDD DVD-ROM I would hesitate putting PC3200 in this board because there doesn't seem to be any way to adjust RAM voltage. Dave -- ______________________________ Remove "yourclothes" to reply directly. "NMK" wrote in message ... Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks |
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In article , "NMK"
wrote: Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify, The lack of response always comes after a power-on when the system was off for several hours. If the system comes on, it seems to run fine. If I turn it off, then, say leave it overnight and go back to it the next day, depending on its mood, it may choose to respond or not! I will run memtest the next time the system comes on!! So far, since a couple of days ago, it has refused to come back on!! As far as the settings go, there is not much I can set on this motherboard. The CPU frequency is autodetected, the memory settings is for onboard video and slow/fast CAS. I have set these to different parameters and the problem still persists. Also, it is not related to the HD controller. During the time that it is not responding, it will do so irrespective of whether an HD is connected or not. If the HD is connected, it won't spin. thanks again. There have been other Asus motherboards with cold boot problems. The problem never seems to get fixed on some of them. One obscure problem had to do with leakage current flowing down the monitor cable and into the PC. This is because part of the monitor circuitry is powered at all times, and there are logic levels on the VGA cable. (Serial clock and data carrying monitor characteristics, as far as I know.) If the monitor cable was disconnected for a while, and then the computer powered up, it would boot. That is a pretty lousy work around, but in that case there isn't much else you could do. If the fans spin up, then chances are the PS isn't completely dead. I don't know what else to suggest, unless this has something to do with some unusual peripheral or PCI device you have plugged in. Paul "Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks It sounds like two problems. First, you should get a copy of memtest+ from memtest.org and test the memory. You may need to manually adjust memory timing parameters, to get an error free memory subsystem. You should not install/run an OS unless the memory has been tested as being completely error free. The second problem sounds like an ACPI/power management problem. You have your machine set to go into a lower power state after some interval of time, and it is not recovering from that state. Get a copy of "dumppo.exe" and see what it says about which states are currently supported by your motherboard. Otherwise, try disabling all options to suspend to RAM etc in Windows. It could be that some driver is incompatible with ACPI, hard to say. (I am assuming here, from your description, that when the screen is blank, you left the machine running overnight, and we are not talking about turning on the power first thing in the morning...) HTH, Paul |
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Please see comments inline:
"Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: There have been other Asus motherboards with cold boot problems. The problem never seems to get fixed on some of them. Have these been recent mother boards (i.e, even with P4R800 series) or some older ones? This is an interesting problem. Unfortunately, I don't have the system with me anymore. I got so frustrated that I thought I'd take it back to the dealer and let them try it out. The irony is that, obviously, when you take it there, the problem never happens, so I left it there so they could give it a try a few times and maybe its moodiness would come back. Now, the VGA power leak sounds very plausible. I can't remember whether I had always disconnected the monitor cable each and every time. If the cable is connected with the monitor power off, would the VGA pins still leak power? Or does the monitor have to be unplugged, or the VGA cable be unplugged for it it happen? Thanks again, One obscure problem had to do with leakage current flowing down the monitor cable and into the PC. This is because part of the monitor circuitry is powered at all times, and there are logic levels on the VGA cable. (Serial clock and data carrying monitor characteristics, as far as I know.) If the monitor cable was disconnected for a while, and then the computer powered up, it would boot. That is a pretty lousy work around, but in that case there isn't much else you could do. If the fans spin up, then chances are the PS isn't completely dead. I don't know what else to suggest, unless this has something to do with some unusual peripheral or PCI device you have plugged in. Paul "Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks It sounds like two problems. First, you should get a copy of memtest+ from memtest.org and test the memory. You may need to manually adjust memory timing parameters, to get an error free memory subsystem. You should not install/run an OS unless the memory has been tested as being completely error free. The second problem sounds like an ACPI/power management problem. You have your machine set to go into a lower power state after some interval of time, and it is not recovering from that state. Get a copy of "dumppo.exe" and see what it says about which states are currently supported by your motherboard. Otherwise, try disabling all options to suspend to RAM etc in Windows. It could be that some driver is incompatible with ACPI, hard to say. (I am assuming here, from your description, that when the screen is blank, you left the machine running overnight, and we are not talking about turning on the power first thing in the morning...) HTH, Paul |
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I have a P4R800-VM (using onboard Radeon video) and have never had a problem
cold booting. Mine is powering a P4 2.8GHz (800MHz FSB) 2 Gb PC2700 dual channel (4x512 sticks), 160Gb WD HD, Zip250 IDE, 4x DVD+/- , floppy, with an Enermax 365 power supply. What is the power supply with this Ahanix eXtreme case? This is a Flex/MicroATX case right? The included power supply just might be too weak. "NMK" wrote in message ... Please see comments inline: "Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: There have been other Asus motherboards with cold boot problems. The problem never seems to get fixed on some of them. Have these been recent mother boards (i.e, even with P4R800 series) or some older ones? This is an interesting problem. Unfortunately, I don't have the system with me anymore. I got so frustrated that I thought I'd take it back to the dealer and let them try it out. The irony is that, obviously, when you take it there, the problem never happens, so I left it there so they could give it a try a few times and maybe its moodiness would come back. Now, the VGA power leak sounds very plausible. I can't remember whether I had always disconnected the monitor cable each and every time. If the cable is connected with the monitor power off, would the VGA pins still leak power? Or does the monitor have to be unplugged, or the VGA cable be unplugged for it it happen? Thanks again, One obscure problem had to do with leakage current flowing down the monitor cable and into the PC. This is because part of the monitor circuitry is powered at all times, and there are logic levels on the VGA cable. (Serial clock and data carrying monitor characteristics, as far as I know.) If the monitor cable was disconnected for a while, and then the computer powered up, it would boot. That is a pretty lousy work around, but in that case there isn't much else you could do. If the fans spin up, then chances are the PS isn't completely dead. I don't know what else to suggest, unless this has something to do with some unusual peripheral or PCI device you have plugged in. Paul "Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: Hi, Other people in the NG have also encountered similar problems as me with this damn Motherboard, but noone has posted a solution. So, here is the delima: I've setup a completely new system with ASUS P4R800-VM (ATI IGP 9100 chipset), Cel 2.4, 128MB KByte memory in an Ahanix eXtreme case. When I first set it up, it ran fine. I ran it overnight with no issues. The next day, no response. The MB LED was on, I could see the keyboard LEDs powering, all FANS were all working, but the HD was NOT spinning. No video and no booting. BTW, if I unplug the IDE, the HD spins. Again, no response from the unit. Gave up eventually. The next day, it worked fine. As if nothing had happened. Again, came back after work, it didn't work. The cycle has repeated several times, one day it works, one day it doesn't. Quite moody I'd say. During the short periods that it worked, I installed the latest BIOS too (v1003) , but the symptoms still come back. I also changed the memory to a PC2700/PC2100 Kbyte 256 memory (both of my memory modules were brand new) Interestingly, I also installed W2K from scratch, and after several successful rebootings, suddendly W2K driver files got corrupted. I had to reinstall. But now, I can't get the damn thing to startup again, due to the infamous blank screen. Any ideas? Thanks It sounds like two problems. First, you should get a copy of memtest+ from memtest.org and test the memory. You may need to manually adjust memory timing parameters, to get an error free memory subsystem. You should not install/run an OS unless the memory has been tested as being completely error free. The second problem sounds like an ACPI/power management problem. You have your machine set to go into a lower power state after some interval of time, and it is not recovering from that state. Get a copy of "dumppo.exe" and see what it says about which states are currently supported by your motherboard. Otherwise, try disabling all options to suspend to RAM etc in Windows. It could be that some driver is incompatible with ACPI, hard to say. (I am assuming here, from your description, that when the screen is blank, you left the machine running overnight, and we are not talking about turning on the power first thing in the morning...) HTH, Paul |
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In article , "NMK"
wrote: Please see comments inline: "Paul" wrote in message ... In article , "NMK" wrote: There have been other Asus motherboards with cold boot problems. The problem never seems to get fixed on some of them. Have these been recent mother boards (i.e, even with P4R800 series) or some older ones? This is an interesting problem. Unfortunately, I don't have the system with me anymore. I got so frustrated that I thought I'd take it back to the dealer and let them try it out. The irony is that, obviously, when you take it there, the problem never happens, so I left it there so they could give it a try a few times and maybe its moodiness would come back. Now, the VGA power leak sounds very plausible. I can't remember whether I had always disconnected the monitor cable each and every time. If the cable is connected with the monitor power off, would the VGA pins still leak power? Or does the monitor have to be unplugged, or the VGA cable be unplugged for it it happen? Thanks again, One obscure problem had to do with leakage current flowing down the monitor cable and into the PC. This is because part of the monitor circuitry is powered at all times, and there are logic levels on the VGA cable. (Serial clock and data carrying monitor characteristics, as far as I know.) If the monitor cable was disconnected for a while, and then the computer powered up, it would boot. That is a pretty lousy work around, but in that case there isn't much else you could do. If the fans spin up, then chances are the PS isn't completely dead. I don't know what else to suggest, unless this has something to do with some unusual peripheral or PCI device you have plugged in. Paul snip The P4PE has a cold boot problem, and I think the affected boards still have the problem. But the P4PE problem might have to do with startup sequence (i.e. how FSB/Vcore is set up when the reset vector executes). This post suggests a couple of other models that might have monitor leakage issues of some sort. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...erver.ntli.net I notice the Asus FAQ makes no mention of these problems, and maybe that suggests they think it is the fault of the video card or some other part of the system. Searching abxzone.com will usually dig up some references too: P4PE Cold Boot: http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...threadid=37995 More monitor leakage fun: http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showth...threadid=30767 HTH, Paul |
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