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Multiple bus type devices in a computer?
Multiple bus type devices in a computer?
I have a friend I may help put one of my extra IDE hard drives in his computer. It was assembled by a small local company. It is running Windows 98SE and is about seven years old. Currently it has a scsi hard drive in it. And the computer also has two optical drives in it One is a CD-RW and the other a CD-ROM How it is connected to the motherboard I am not sure. Might it or for sure would there also be a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard and if I have a spare IDE cable might we be able to hook up an IDE drive also? I already know about SCSI drives in relation to their use with Older Apple Macintoshes with ID numbers and terminators. Do PCs use ID numbers and terminators with their SCSI devices? And with the IDE hard drive would I have to jump or not jump it to slave or would it be jumped as master for sure if it's the only thing on that other IDE cable? Would it matter which bus the boot drive is on? Can the scsi remain as the bootable drive? At the time of partitioning and formatting on a IDE drive is any thing done differently to set it up to accept an operating system and becoming a bootable drive? I know with what I have seen in setup software for both scsi and IDE some mention of bootable is there. I do not know who made the motherboard. The CD for it he says has ABIT BX_ 1.61E on it. He says it has IDE formatters and drivers on it but no mention of scsi that he can see with windows explorer. Once I open the computer will I find the scsi connected to a controller card or do PCs mother boards have scsi built into them sometimes, all the time or never? And about the software drivers do I need to worry about installing them since there are IDE opticals already in use. Could it be that they put the hard drive as a scsi because the IDE was used up for the opticals? Could there not be a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard? Or are scsi faster drives and that is why they went with it instead of an IDE? |
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Multiple bus type devices in a computer?
"DJW" wrote in message ups.com... Multiple bus type devices in a computer? I have a friend I may help put one of my extra IDE hard drives in his computer. It was assembled by a small local company. It is running Windows 98SE and is about seven years old. Currently it has a scsi hard drive in it. And the computer also has two optical drives in it One is a CD-RW and the other a CD-ROM How it is connected to the motherboard I am not sure. Might it or for sure would there also be a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard and if I have a spare IDE cable might we be able to hook up an IDE drive also? I already know about SCSI drives in relation to their use with Older Apple Macintoshes with ID numbers and terminators. Do PCs use ID numbers and terminators with their SCSI devices? And with the IDE hard drive would I have to jump or not jump it to slave or would it be jumped as master for sure if it's the only thing on that other IDE cable? Would it matter which bus the boot drive is on? Can the scsi remain as the bootable drive? At the time of partitioning and formatting on a IDE drive is any thing done differently to set it up to accept an operating system and becoming a bootable drive? I know with what I have seen in setup software for both scsi and IDE some mention of bootable is there. I do not know who made the motherboard. The CD for it he says has ABIT BX_ 1.61E on it. He says it has IDE formatters and drivers on it but no mention of scsi that he can see with windows explorer. Once I open the computer will I find the scsi connected to a controller card or do PCs mother boards have scsi built into them sometimes, all the time or never? And about the software drivers do I need to worry about installing them since there are IDE opticals already in use. Could it be that they put the hard drive as a scsi because the IDE was used up for the opticals? Could there not be a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard? Or are scsi faster drives and that is why they went with it instead of an IDE? You're thinking too hard. Almost all mainboards (at least ones that old) have 2 ide connectors. Each IDE connector can support up to two IDE devices. You probably will need a IDE cable. Hopefully, the two optical drives are on the SAME ide cable, currently, which means that you need an IDE cable for the IDE hard drive. As for how the hard drive should be jumpered, that depends on the hard drive. For some hard drives, a single drive would be jumpered as Master. For other hard drives, a single hard drive has NO jumper installed. There should be a diagram on the hard drive itself showing what jumper setting is required. You won't need any software for the new hard drive. However, if the hard drive is new enough, the mainboard bios might not recognize it. If a BIOS version (that will recognize the new hard drive) is not available, you can download drive overlay software from the manufacturer of the hard drive, that will allow the hard drive to be used at full capacity anyway. -Dave |
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Multiple bus type devices in a computer?
DJW wrote:
Multiple bus type devices in a computer? I have a friend I may help put one of my extra IDE hard drives in his computer. It was assembled by a small local company. It is running Windows 98SE and is about seven years old. Currently it has a scsi hard drive in it. And the computer also has two optical drives in it One is a CD-RW and the other a CD-ROM How it is connected to the motherboard I am not sure. Might it or for sure would there also be a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard and if I have a spare IDE cable might we be able to hook up an IDE drive also? I already know about SCSI drives in relation to their use with Older Apple Macintoshes with ID numbers and terminators. Do PCs use ID numbers and terminators with their SCSI devices? And with the IDE hard drive would I have to jump or not jump it to slave or would it be jumped as master for sure if it's the only thing on that other IDE cable? Would it matter which bus the boot drive is on? Can the scsi remain as the bootable drive? At the time of partitioning and formatting on a IDE drive is any thing done differently to set it up to accept an operating system and becoming a bootable drive? I know with what I have seen in setup software for both scsi and IDE some mention of bootable is there. I do not know who made the motherboard. The CD for it he says has ABIT BX_ 1.61E on it. He says it has IDE formatters and drivers on it but no mention of scsi that he can see with windows explorer. Once I open the computer will I find the scsi connected to a controller card or do PCs mother boards have scsi built into them sometimes, all the time or never? And about the software drivers do I need to worry about installing them since there are IDE opticals already in use. Could it be that they put the hard drive as a scsi because the IDE was used up for the opticals? Could there not be a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard? Or are scsi faster drives and that is why they went with it instead of an IDE? Here is an alternate opinion: http://forums.storagereview.net/inde...showtopic=8784 Your options could be size dependent. The older machines had limitations, either in the BIOS, or in the hardware. A drive overlay may fix them, but at the expense of potential trouble down the road, any time a utility is used, that doesn't understand the overlay. Here is another doc about large disks: http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/tp/137gb.pdf Abit has a few FAQ pages as well. This page lists the motherboards and BIOS needed to handle 137GB disks on the Southbridge IDE interfaces (without a drive overlay). http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/faq/generic/check137gb.htm The motherboard you are working with, could be a BH-6. Abit tested motherboards with a 75GB IDE drive here. I guess this basically defines motherboards that natively handle 64GB and 137GB or so. I have a motherboard from that era, with a 440BX chipset, and I have used a 120GB drive on mine. But I used the latest BIOS that was available, to do it. http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/faq/generic/check75gb.htm BIOS updates for Abit motherboards can be found he http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/download/bios/index_old.htm So, you can try a drive overlay, and take whatever the risks are with doing that. Or you can pick up a Promise controller and plug that into a PCI slot. With one of these, you can select a larger drive if you want. Since the card uses "SCSI emulation" to hide the IDE drive, there aren't the normal IDE limits. This card needs a driver installed, so if you are doing an OS install on this drive, a driver has to be installed via pressing F6 at the appropriate time during the OS install or repair install. If the disk is only used for data, then it is pretty easy to install the Promise driver, right after you have installed the card in a PCI slot. (And any utilities, like Ghost, may also need a way to access the Promise card as well, at the DOS level, so the Promise card can be a barrier to easy use of programs like that. I'm not a Ghost user, and cannot tell you if Ghost works with the Promise TX2 out of the box or not.) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816102007 Some drives have a "32GB clip" jumper, which will limit the size translated by the BIOS and OS. That is also an easy fix, if you need just a little bit of storage, and don't want to worry about details. You can buy a 40GB/60GB/80GB and install the jumper, then connect to the machine via the secondary IDE cable you claim is left over on the motherboard. If your friend's storage needs are small, clipping a drive with the jumper is pretty transparent from a usage perspective. (Just don't pull the jumper off by accident later!) You may have to dig around the disk drive manufacturer's web site, to find the appropriate jumper info. That technique means no BIOS updates, no drive overlays or using the manufacturer's utilities, just plug and play (and use the format/partition utils in the OS). For example, this 80GB is $50. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145126 And this is comprehensive jumper info for the Hitachi drive. http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/suppor...0/7k160jum.htm This picture shows drive jumpering, with the 32GB clip jumper installed across D-B: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/7k400/c2gbjum.gif HTH, Paul |
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