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"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... Hmm so I hear that the 2.6c is the new 2.4c, but with that chip (2.6c) I would be aiming for 250MHz-FSB (1GHz-QDR!!!) 13 x 250. Sounds like I would need PC4000 for sync or very tight PC3200/3500 for some async. Prescott prices are *pre-order* prices from overclockers.co.uk You heard right. The 2.6C is definitely the bang for buck champ. If you're going to splurge on PC4000, do some research to make sure it will run well on the board you select. Compatibility is not universal and some sticks do better than others on specific boards with specific bios versions. Like TomG, I use and recommend the Abit IC7, with or without the "G." When I was shopping for a bargain hot-rod last year, this is what I put together: Abit IC7 P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz Vantec Aeroflow hsf 4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 (Winbond BH-5, same as Mushkin Level II Black PC3500 but a lot less expensive) Runs at 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6 |
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Sorry. My ignorance of the newer Intel chipsets is showing.
Dave "TomG" wrote in message news:4HOQb.11969$dd6.3012@lakeread02... actually, Intel has everything to do with raid. given that Intel has implemented SATA raid in the 865 and 875 chipsets... -- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 120,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "DaveL" wrote in message ... Raid is from companies like Promise and Highpoint. AMD and Intel got nothing to do with it. Dave "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... Greetings, After 4 months of living in Barton/nForce2 land, I have decided it's about time I *knock-up* a current INTEL rig (with a view to overclock!). I really do rate my AMD systems, but I believe that INTEL has a superior *Memory & SATA RAID* implementation, and I wants it! (my Precious). I have always used INTEL over the past several years, but recently I decided to hit the learning curve on the AMD side of things, so now I want to get INTEL back inside I am a bit unsure (especially as Prescott is here is early guise). So basically I had a good look around today, and so far I am feeling a good vibe towards the ABIT AI7 (£80.49), seems like it would meet my needs. Now I'm not sure which CPU/Memory would be the best choice, but I'm aiming to hit 3GHz + using a 1:1 memory ratio. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = CPU (Hmmm Northwood or Prescott?) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Northwood - 2.4GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £128.08 Northwood - 2.6GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £129.19 Northwood - 2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £155.69 Prescott. . . . .2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £151.58 Northwood - 3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £199.69 Prescott. . . . .3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £198.58 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I just read something about early Prescott's performing slower than Northwood on a clock for clock bases (something to do with Prescott having deeper pipelines). As the multipliers are fixed I can see I must make my CPU choice carefully, but what is the equivalent of the Barton 2500+ in Intel land? (in terms of overclocking/Bang for buck). Obviously my choices for memory are PC3200 - PC4000, probably 2 x 256MB. How realistic is it to hit 250MHz-FSB on one of these AI7's? (with proper components!). I heard it may be an option to run the FSB/Memory ratios *Async* with some really tight PC3200, yes there will be latencies but how would this compare to some PC4000 running 1:1 (Cas3 or 2.5)? I will be adding a nice PSU, HSF, SATA HDD & Graphics Card and WinXP Pro sp1. O.k I better stop there, this is just my first general enquiry and I will now go and read dozens of web reviews to help get me up to speed! Thanks for any feedback -- Wayne ][ |
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that was the BT ram that I could not recall the chips that were used and I
incorrectly mentioned the Micron chips in another post... thanks for the refresher... -- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 120,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "Skid" wrote in message news:IuTQb.149966$na.251731@attbi_s04... "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... Hmm so I hear that the 2.6c is the new 2.4c, but with that chip (2.6c) I would be aiming for 250MHz-FSB (1GHz-QDR!!!) 13 x 250. Sounds like I would need PC4000 for sync or very tight PC3200/3500 for some async. Prescott prices are *pre-order* prices from overclockers.co.uk You heard right. The 2.6C is definitely the bang for buck champ. If you're going to splurge on PC4000, do some research to make sure it will run well on the board you select. Compatibility is not universal and some sticks do better than others on specific boards with specific bios versions. Like TomG, I use and recommend the Abit IC7, with or without the "G." When I was shopping for a bargain hot-rod last year, this is what I put together: Abit IC7 P4C 2.4 @ 275x12=3.3ghz Vantec Aeroflow hsf 4x256-meg Buffalo Tech PC3700 (Winbond BH-5, same as Mushkin Level II Black PC3500 but a lot less expensive) Runs at 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6 |
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no prob.
-- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 120,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "DaveL" wrote in message ... Sorry. My ignorance of the newer Intel chipsets is showing. Dave "TomG" wrote in message news:4HOQb.11969$dd6.3012@lakeread02... actually, Intel has everything to do with raid. given that Intel has implemented SATA raid in the 865 and 875 chipsets... -- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 120,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "DaveL" wrote in message ... Raid is from companies like Promise and Highpoint. AMD and Intel got nothing to do with it. Dave "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... Greetings, After 4 months of living in Barton/nForce2 land, I have decided it's about time I *knock-up* a current INTEL rig (with a view to overclock!). I really do rate my AMD systems, but I believe that INTEL has a superior *Memory & SATA RAID* implementation, and I wants it! (my Precious). I have always used INTEL over the past several years, but recently I decided to hit the learning curve on the AMD side of things, so now I want to get INTEL back inside I am a bit unsure (especially as Prescott is here is early guise). So basically I had a good look around today, and so far I am feeling a good vibe towards the ABIT AI7 (£80.49), seems like it would meet my needs. Now I'm not sure which CPU/Memory would be the best choice, but I'm aiming to hit 3GHz + using a 1:1 memory ratio. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = CPU (Hmmm Northwood or Prescott?) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Northwood - 2.4GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £128.08 Northwood - 2.6GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £129.19 Northwood - 2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £155.69 Prescott. . . . .2.8GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £151.58 Northwood - 3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £199.69 Prescott. . . . .3.0GHz (800MHz-FSB) - £198.58 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I just read something about early Prescott's performing slower than Northwood on a clock for clock bases (something to do with Prescott having deeper pipelines). As the multipliers are fixed I can see I must make my CPU choice carefully, but what is the equivalent of the Barton 2500+ in Intel land? (in terms of overclocking/Bang for buck). Obviously my choices for memory are PC3200 - PC4000, probably 2 x 256MB. How realistic is it to hit 250MHz-FSB on one of these AI7's? (with proper components!). I heard it may be an option to run the FSB/Memory ratios *Async* with some really tight PC3200, yes there will be latencies but how would this compare to some PC4000 running 1:1 (Cas3 or 2.5)? I will be adding a nice PSU, HSF, SATA HDD & Graphics Card and WinXP Pro sp1. O.k I better stop there, this is just my first general enquiry and I will now go and read dozens of web reviews to help get me up to speed! Thanks for any feedback -- Wayne ][ |
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Hi,
well after several hours web-research I am more informed. Seems like INTEL are just about to launch allot of new stuff (Grantsdale and Alderwood Chipsets, Socket 775, Prescott) [H]ardOCP - Prescott and Upgrading www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY1 AnandTech - Intel 2004 Socket LGA-775 www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1948&p=2 Still a Pentium 4 *2.6GHz* (800MHz-FSB) and *Springdale* motherboard (ABIT AI7) should hold me down for 6 months, that will give time for all this new stuff to come out and maybe get to rev1.1, also the prices will be a bit better then. From reading the above links I would agree that Intel are running late with their new chipsets, as it looks like the Prescott CPU was never meant to be launched on the Springdale/Canterwood platform. It reminds me of the way coppermines hit the market, first in Slot1 then a few months later we had the FC-PGA. If I do buy a P4 now I'm pretty sure I will get a classic *Northwood* and leave the socket 748 *Prescott* well alone. If I get a Prescott it will be a native socket 775 running in a new i915 (Grantsdale) or i925x (Alderwood) mobo, although this will not be for a few more months yet!. Also I am reading about DDR-II support, PCI Express, yada yada, makes me think I should not buy any new expensive memory? The new Southbridge (ICH6) looks cool, 4 *native* SATA interfaces! I will continue reading, but if you feel you can contribute anymore to this discussion then please go ahead. . . still following the concept of building an INTEL sub-system now that will deliver *bang-4-buck* and pack a good punch! -- Wayne ][ |
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I think you're on the right track. I still think you should consider an
875P, only a little more money, no finicky kludges to get PAT working, higher stable fsb overclocks, etc. Couple that with some good low-latency PC3200 and set it to 5:4. At 250 fsb your 2.6 would be clipping at a respectable 3.250 ghz and the ram would be in spec at 200. Anything over that would be gravy. "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... Hi, well after several hours web-research I am more informed. Seems like INTEL are just about to launch allot of new stuff (Grantsdale and Alderwood Chipsets, Socket 775, Prescott) [H]ardOCP - Prescott and Upgrading www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY1 AnandTech - Intel 2004 Socket LGA-775 www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1948&p=2 Still a Pentium 4 *2.6GHz* (800MHz-FSB) and *Springdale* motherboard (ABIT AI7) should hold me down for 6 months, that will give time for all this new stuff to come out and maybe get to rev1.1, also the prices will be a bit better then. From reading the above links I would agree that Intel are running late with their new chipsets, as it looks like the Prescott CPU was never meant to be launched on the Springdale/Canterwood platform. It reminds me of the way coppermines hit the market, first in Slot1 then a few months later we had the FC-PGA. If I do buy a P4 now I'm pretty sure I will get a classic *Northwood* and leave the socket 748 *Prescott* well alone. If I get a Prescott it will be a native socket 775 running in a new i915 (Grantsdale) or i925x (Alderwood) mobo, although this will not be for a few more months yet!. Also I am reading about DDR-II support, PCI Express, yada yada, makes me think I should not buy any new expensive memory? The new Southbridge (ICH6) looks cool, 4 *native* SATA interfaces! I will continue reading, but if you feel you can contribute anymore to this discussion then please go ahead. . . still following the concept of building an INTEL sub-system now that will deliver *bang-4-buck* and pack a good punch! -- Wayne ][ |
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"Skid" wrote in message news:4R1Rb.151219$xy6.730535@attbi_s02... I think you're on the right track. I still think you should consider an 875P, only a little more money, no finicky kludges to get PAT working, higher stable fsb overclocks, etc. Couple that with some good low-latency PC3200 and set it to 5:4. At 250 fsb your 2.6 would be clipping at a respectable 3.250 ghz and the ram would be in spec at 200. Anything over that would be gravy. Excellent advice, that is exactly what my system does. IC7 P4 2.6C @ 3.25GHz Dashi "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... Hi, well after several hours web-research I am more informed. Seems like INTEL are just about to launch allot of new stuff (Grantsdale and Alderwood Chipsets, Socket 775, Prescott) [H]ardOCP - Prescott and Upgrading www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTY1 AnandTech - Intel 2004 Socket LGA-775 www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1948&p=2 Still a Pentium 4 *2.6GHz* (800MHz-FSB) and *Springdale* motherboard (ABIT AI7) should hold me down for 6 months, that will give time for all this new stuff to come out and maybe get to rev1.1, also the prices will be a bit better then. From reading the above links I would agree that Intel are running late with their new chipsets, as it looks like the Prescott CPU was never meant to be launched on the Springdale/Canterwood platform. It reminds me of the way coppermines hit the market, first in Slot1 then a few months later we had the FC-PGA. If I do buy a P4 now I'm pretty sure I will get a classic *Northwood* and leave the socket 748 *Prescott* well alone. If I get a Prescott it will be a native socket 775 running in a new i915 (Grantsdale) or i925x (Alderwood) mobo, although this will not be for a few more months yet!. Also I am reading about DDR-II support, PCI Express, yada yada, makes me think I should not buy any new expensive memory? The new Southbridge (ICH6) looks cool, 4 *native* SATA interfaces! I will continue reading, but if you feel you can contribute anymore to this discussion then please go ahead. . . still following the concept of building an INTEL sub-system now that will deliver *bang-4-buck* and pack a good punch! -- Wayne ][ |
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hi,
you should try to get an 2.8C M0 stepping from costarica!!!! these procs goes up to 4Ghz ;o) it's an 3.2EE with defect L3cache ! make a search with google for "2.8c m0 stepping" /tom |
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You should be aware that all Intel CPU's are manufactured in the U.S.A. They
are shipped overseas for assembly into their specific socket. You are just repeating an urban legend. Dashi "tom" wrote in message ... hi, you should try to get an 2.8C M0 stepping from costarica!!!! these procs goes up to 4Ghz ;o) it's an 3.2EE with defect L3cache ! make a search with google for "2.8c m0 stepping" /tom |
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From: AnandTech FAQ
Category: CPU/Processors Author(s): pm, Wingznut PEZ Just to clear something up, the markings on the back of the CPU refer to the packaging site - not the manufacturing site of the actual silicon chip itself. Intel has no fabs in either Malaysia or Costa Rica, they are packaging facilities. The silicon die/chips are manufactured elsewhere in the world and are shipped to either of these two packaging sites. In addition, Intel manufacturing has a goal of running a "virtual fab" - meaning that, among other things, products from one fab are statistically indistinguishable from those manufactured at another fab. So even if, for example using fake names, Malaysian packages used chips only from fab #1 and packages marked Costa Rica use chips from fab #2, there should be no difference statistically between these two. I saw these discussions back in the Celeron days, and I commented back then, but this time around it seems a little different. I have started seeing some online retailers charging more for parts from a specific packaging site and this disturbs me. There is no difference between parts from these two packaging sites. Just as you can have 6 head/tails coin tosses come out heads, there may seem to be a correlation that heads is more likely than tails, but there isn't. In reality the odds are still approximately 50/50. The silicon is what defines the speed of a CPU, not the package. And the silicon comes from multiple fabs scattered all over the place that are all supposed to be identical anyway. If you are considering spending more, or buying from a shadier vendor, in order to get a specific package, I would urge you to reconsider. There is no difference and you are only wasting money, and or risking getting ripped off. Patrick Mahoney Microprocessor Design Engineer Intel Corp. There's been a lot of discussion about which Northwoods are better... Ones "made in Costa Rica", or the ones "made in Malaysia." The problem is, no Northwoods are manufactured overseas. All are made in the USA, with the vast majority coming from Fab20 in Hillsboro, OR. They are packaged (in the Socket 478) overseas, but that has no effect on the overclockability. Normally, these discussions don't raise an eyebrow from me... But lately I've seen resellers charging more for "made in Malay" chips. And in my opinion, this is a ripoff. I just don't want to see people get taken. Wingznut ..13µ Lithography Technician Intel Corp. Back to AnandTech FAQs Dashi |
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