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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
Lexmark announced its extension of its Prebate-style program to inkjet
supplies. On Tuesday, September 12, 2006, Lexmark released the new Z845 single-function inkjet printer. The Z845 supplies are offered at a $4 upfront discount, but subject to the following restrictions: “Lexmark Return Program: The #28 black cartridge reflects a $4 up-front discount compared to alternative cartridges in exchange for agreeing to return the used cartridges only to Lexmark for remanufacturing or recycling.” Apparently Lexmark has also incorporated another lovely feature of the laser Prebate program: the killer chip. According to a source from the media, the printer has a chip that detects a refilled cartridge and turns off the printer. With the proliferation of ink refilling options available to consumers, Lexmark’s move comes as no surprise. With Rapid Refill and Cartridge World stores in hundreds of locations and refill options at Walgreen’s and other retailers, the ink consuming nation is fast becoming aware that new high-priced OEM products do not have to be tolerated. SIGNIFICANT IMAGE: http://www.inkline.gr/temp/LEXMARK.jpg -- Yianni (áöáéñÝóôå ôïí áñéèìü åííéÜ áðü ôï email) |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
"Yianni" wrote:
the ink consuming nation is fast becoming aware that new high-priced OEM products do not have to be tolerated. I never understood this attitude. I can recall paying $800 and more for dot matrix printers not that long ago. That was painful - and the printer companies realized that a lot of people could afford that kind of pain, so they came up with a deal where color (gasp!) printers could be had for a song and the ink would payback the dev costs and earn a profit. A lot like people who can't afford to buy a car, so they lease. |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
Yianni wrote:
Lexmark announced its extension of its Prebate-style program to inkjet supplies. On Tuesday, September 12, 2006, Lexmark released the new Z845 single-function inkjet printer. The Z845 supplies are offered at a $4 upfront discount, but subject to the following restrictions: �Lexmark Return Program: The #28 black cartridge reflects a $4 up-front discount compared to alternative cartridges in exchange for agreeing to return the used cartridges only to Lexmark for remanufacturing or recycling.� Apparently Lexmark has also incorporated another lovely feature of the laser Prebate program: the killer chip. According to a source from the media, the printer has a chip that detects a refilled cartridge and turns off the printer. Lexmark's polite way of saying to Lexmark printer owners: "You will hand over that $50 to Lexmark or you will not be using your printer tonight". It's all about money. They want you to give that $50 to them instead of keeping $49 of it in your own pocket after spending $1 on good compatible ink. I have used compatible inks for my previous Lexmark Z55 and they were perfect, and for a pittance! Yes, it's all about money. Yours. -Taliesyn |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
Taliesyn wrote: Yianni wrote: Lexmark announced its extension of its Prebate-style program to inkjet supplies. On Tuesday, September 12, 2006, Lexmark released the new Z845 single-function inkjet printer. The Z845 supplies are offered at a $4 upfront discount, but subject to the following restrictions: �Lexmark Return Program: The #28 black cartridge reflects a $4 up-front discount compared to alternative cartridges in exchange for agreeing to return the used cartridges only to Lexmark for remanufacturing or recycling.� Apparently Lexmark has also incorporated another lovely feature of the laser Prebate program: the killer chip. According to a source from the media, the printer has a chip that detects a refilled cartridge and turns off the printer. Lexmark's polite way of saying to Lexmark printer owners: "You will hand over that $50 to Lexmark or you will not be using your printer tonight". It's all about money. They want you to give that $50 to them instead of keeping $49 of it in your own pocket after spending $1 on good compatible ink. There is no good generic ink. And all compatible means is the ink squirtes out fo a nozz I have used compatible inks for my previous Lexmark Z55 and they were perfect, and for a pittance! Yes, it's all about money. Yours. -Taliesyn |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
I suspect the only way this problem is going to be resolved is if the
3rd party manufacturers and refillers get together and hire some high priced lawyers to challenge the manufacturers, either that or a couple of lawyers need to get really annoyed enough to bring forward a class action or two. All of this stuff is anti-competitive and should be addressed. Anyone know some good lawyers to start a class action? Art Yianni wrote: Lexmark announced its extension of its Prebate-style program to inkjet supplies. On Tuesday, September 12, 2006, Lexmark released the new Z845 single-function inkjet printer. The Z845 supplies are offered at a $4 upfront discount, but subject to the following restrictions: �Lexmark Return Program: The #28 black cartridge reflects a $4 up-front discount compared to alternative cartridges in exchange for agreeing to return the used cartridges only to Lexmark for remanufacturing or recycling.� Apparently Lexmark has also incorporated another lovely feature of the laser Prebate program: the killer chip. According to a source from the media, the printer has a chip that detects a refilled cartridge and turns off the printer. With the proliferation of ink refilling options available to consumers, Lexmark�s move comes as no surprise. With Rapid Refill and Cartridge World stores in hundreds of locations and refill options at Walgreen�s and other retailers, the ink consuming nation is fast becoming aware that new high-priced OEM products do not have to be tolerated. SIGNIFICANT IMAGE: http://www.inkline.gr/temp/LEXMARK.jpg |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
Fine, then have them offer lease programs like some photocopy companies do.
The current business model just promotes the throw away mentality and clogs the landfills with otherwise usable product. Further, it makes the manufacturers cut corners on the design and build of the printers, since they work on a very low profit margin on them. What's more painful is people being conned into buying a printer only to find out the first cartridge or toner replacement costs more than the printer with the ink or toner did to begin with. Art Rick Blaine wrote: "Yianni" wrote: the ink consuming nation is fast becoming aware that new high-priced OEM products do not have to be tolerated. I never understood this attitude. I can recall paying $800 and more for dot matrix printers not that long ago. That was painful - and the printer companies realized that a lot of people could afford that kind of pain, so they came up with a deal where color (gasp!) printers could be had for a song and the ink would payback the dev costs and earn a profit. A lot like people who can't afford to buy a car, so they lease. |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
Arthur Entlich wrote:
I suspect the only way this problem is going to be resolved What problem? Who's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy these printers? If you don't like the cost of the consumables, buy a color laser or dye sub printer. Uh, wait. Those printers cost 10x what an ink jet does... |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
measekite wrote:
Taliesyn wrote: Yianni wrote: Lexmark announced its extension of its Prebate-style program to inkjet supplies. On Tuesday, September 12, 2006, Lexmark released the new Z845 single-function inkjet printer. The Z845 supplies are offered at a $4 upfront discount, but subject to the following restrictions: �Lexmark Return Program: The #28 black cartridge reflects a $4 up-front discount compared to alternative cartridges in exchange for agreeing to return the used cartridges only to Lexmark for remanufacturing or recycling.� Apparently Lexmark has also incorporated another lovely feature of the laser Prebate program: the killer chip. According to a source from the media, the printer has a chip that detects a refilled cartridge and turns off the printer. Lexmark's polite way of saying to Lexmark printer owners: "You will hand over that $50 to Lexmark or you will not be using your printer tonight". It's all about money. They want you to give that $50 to them instead of keeping $49 of it in your own pocket after spending $1 on good compatible ink. There is no good generic ink. And all compatible means is the ink squirtes out fo a nozz Again you insist on lying when you have no experience to speak of. I owned a decent Lexmark and there was absolutely no visible difference in color, fading or clogging between Lexmark and the compatible ink I used for it (from Atlantic Inkjet). It was a great product for a minor league printer. -Taliesyn |
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Lexmark extends its "Return Program" restrictions to ink
Yianni wrote: I suspect the only way this problem is going to be resolved is if the 3rd party manufacturers and refillers get together and hire some high priced lawyers to challenge the manufacturers, either that or a couple of lawyers need to get really annoyed enough to bring forward a class action or two. I don't think so. First of all it's legal. And in my opinion a clever (not say "fair") tactic. Lexmark says: I sell something I don't want you to refill it. If you want to refill it, buy the other (higher priced) one. Lexmark says I want it back, even though if it never gets it back... The drawback is that there aren't many non-prebate empties. The same tactic for lasers for a few years. On the other hand many people, and big companies remanufacture them (the prebate cartridges). I think that Lexmark wants to have the oportunity to sue the companies that makes very high volumes. But does Lexmark say that? If I want to spend the big bucks and buy a color laser, can I refill it? I was lead to believe "no", it seems that the more you spend, the more sophisticated the detection and prevention schemes. I looked at a Lexmark C770, which it seems they artificiall limit to smaller carts to begin with compared to same engine C772, and either way, an outrageous cost for even the black cartridge. I got over 500,000 pages from an old HP Laserjet III and bulk toner was about $20. So could I just buy the B&W equivalent Lexmark at $1000 and refill that? Seems not, it's now multiple times as expensive to print mere text as it was almost a decade ago. Progress??? |
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