Mis-representation ?

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
I bid on it because there`s a
chance (a slim one now I must admit) that it is a perfectly
functioning board just needing the right drivers.

How is the chance of it now working any slimmer than it was when you bid
on
it?


Becuase this particular board is so prone to the corruption problem the
original problem his friend had may well have been the corruption problem.
However usually its from the BIOS screen and I would have thought he would
of noticed and mentioned it but maybe not.

All the more reason to avoid the card then !


When I first bid on it I did not know of this fact.

"when you first bid on it" ? You only bid the once - 40 seconds before
auction end.

"Gizmo" wrote in message
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Yeah but he doesn`t mention corruption right from the BIOS screen in
which
case I would not have touched. I bid on it because there`s a chance (a
slim
one now I must admit) that it is a perfectly functioning board just
needing
the right drivers. Corruption isn`t mentioned in the description so
corruption shouldn`t be there - to have it and not mention it would make
it
more sellable becuase corruption means its 100% no possible other
explanation knackered.

IF the corruption thing is so important to you, why didnt you use "ask the
seller a question" ?


Its as simple as this - POST/BIOS corruption = 0% chance of it working now
do you understand why its so important to me ? tbh I only found out about
the corruption issue after the auction had ended by searching google for
people with problems installing drivers.

Lots of posts from people having problems with corruption with the Blaster
Titanium 4400 and not many like this http://tinyurl.com/zd5i 1.4ghz Athlon
Geforce 2 GTS (I know different card)

No he added them to the auction becuase he could not load the drivers on the
2 systems he tried it on therefore he could only assume it was faulty it was
certainly not working for him. He could not of sold it w/o those knowing he
could never get the drivers loaded.

Thats as long as he`s being honest which I suspect he is and there is no
corruption on screen in which case using the driver routine is a ploy to
make it sound like he ain`t got a clue.


Say the seller is a total ****wit (abit like you) and couldn't install the drivers on the pc
hence he wouldn't know if the gfx card had other problems. Isn't him telling porkies. You know
how far he's gotten beyond that point u cant expect him to know what's wrong. Its sold as faulty
and you have taken a gamble. If it turns out its faulty then that's it you cant say the seller cheated you!
Paulo

J.Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:31:17 -0000
"Chris 159" wrote:


"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Hi;

I bought this item on eBay


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2769544 2
41
on the basis of the information given which is the PCs recognise the
card but will not load the drivers. I have not recieved the card yet
but I`m starting to worry that I have not been given an honest
auction description as it would appear to be.

The most common genuine "fault" with these Creative Ti4400 cards is
bad
ram
which is obvious from the screen corruption there is no mention of
screen corruption in the auction description - so a correct
representation would not mention screen corruption which it does
not. However there is a possibility that the screen corruption only
occurs once the drivers have loaded giving him a great reason to
pretend he could not get the drivers loaded.

This auction


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...category=27 3
87
clearly states the problem I`m referring too and I would not have
bid on
it.

I have seen screen corruption on my own Ti4200 when you overclock
the graphics memory too high this is only possible when the drivers
are loaded obviously - maybe I will be able to clock the memory
lower slowing down
the
card as a way around it - but I feel that if screen corruption
occurs it will be obvious to me when I test it and that I have a
right to feel cheated.

As I say don`t actually have the item yet - whats your view ?



the word **** springs to mind.

I am curious--what does "****" mean in the UK? In the US it is rude
term for the female genitalia.

Yep , an abusive term which has amongst its many meanings , the one you
mention.
A pretty good description for Nick LeLiar really.

--
Alex

"We are now up against live, hostile targets"

"So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad
attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! "

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"Gizmo" wrote in message
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Yeah but he doesn`t mention corruption right from the BIOS screen
in which case I would not have touched. I bid on it because there`s
a chance (a slim one now I must admit) that it is a perfectly
functioning board just needing the right drivers. Corruption isn`t
mentioned in the description so corruption shouldn`t be there - to
have it and not mention it would make it more sellable becuase
corruption means its 100% no possible other explanation knackered.

IF the corruption thing is so important to you, why didnt you use
"ask the seller a question" ?


Its as simple as this - POST/BIOS corruption = 0% chance of it
working now do you understand why its so important to me ? tbh I only
found out about the corruption issue after the auction had ended by
searching google for people with problems installing drivers.

Well you should have done this before bidding , although why you think that
this will be the case for the card you are buying is beyond me.

Oh , and as for cards with the POST screens corrupted being useless , well
thats another thing you have got wrong.

The card in my brothers machine has slightly corrupted fonts on the POST
screens which run at 640*480 , but when running a windows desktop at 800* or
1024* , it works superbly.
--
Alex

"We are now up against live, hostile targets"

"So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad
attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! "

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"Gizmo" wrote in message
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Yeah but he doesn`t mention corruption right from the BIOS screen
in which case I would not have touched. I bid on it because there`s
a chance (a slim one now I must admit) that it is a perfectly
functioning board just needing the right drivers. Corruption isn`t
mentioned in the description so corruption shouldn`t be there - to
have it and not mention it would make it more sellable becuase
corruption means its 100% no possible other explanation knackered.

IF the corruption thing is so important to you, why didnt you use
"ask the seller a question" ?


Its as simple as this - POST/BIOS corruption = 0% chance of it
working now do you understand why its so important to me ? tbh I only
found out about the corruption issue after the auction had ended by
searching google for people with problems installing drivers.

Well you should have done this before bidding , although why you think
that
this will be the case for the card you are buying is beyond me.


Its a possibility although installing the wrong drivers is a more likely
one.

Oh , and as for cards with the POST screens corrupted being useless , well
thats another thing you have got wrong.

The card in my brothers machine has slightly corrupted fonts on the POST
screens which run at 640*480 , but when running a windows desktop at 800*
or
1024* , it works superbly.

Yeah we`re not talking about a font corruption you can work with - we`re
talking chequered boarded effects (Black & White squares all over the
screen) and other wierd stuff happening at POST and in the BIOS setup.

Nick Le Lievre wrote:

Hi;

I bought this item on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=27387&item=27
69544241 on the basis of the information given which is the PCs
recognise the card but will not load the drivers. I have not recieved
the card yet but I`m starting to worry that I have not been given an
honest auction description as it would appear to be.

The most common genuine "fault" with these Creative Ti4400 cards is
bad ram which is obvious from the screen corruption there is no
mention of screen corruption in the auction description - so a
correct representation would not mention screen corruption which it
does not. However there is a possibility that the screen corruption
only occurs once the drivers have loaded giving him a great reason to
pretend he could not get the drivers loaded.

This auction
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...3276243&catego
ry=27387 clearly states the problem I`m referring too and I would not
have bid on it.

I have seen screen corruption on my own Ti4200 when you overclock the
graphics memory too high this is only possible when the drivers are
loaded obviously - maybe I will be able to clock the memory lower
slowing down the card as a way around it - but I feel that if screen
corruption occurs it will be obvious to me when I test it and that I
have a right to feel cheated.

As I say don`t actually have the item yet - whats your view ?

Nick,

Do yourself and everyone else a favour and give up PCs and get yourself
another hobby. Something cheap, and safe, that doesnt **** other people
off. Maybe offshore powerboat racing. Or sky-diving. Or javelin
catching.

The seller clearly states the card does not work, but now you claim
"mis-representation" because you have suddenly realise you may have
thrown your money away and bought a card that *gasp* DOES NOT WORK just
like it so clearly says in the description?

Are you on medication that adjusts your perception of reality? Did your
mother take heaps of LSD when she was pregnant with you?

If you've seen 100 graphics cards with the same fault that doesnt mean
that the one you bought will have the same fault.

IANAL but your claim of "mis-representation" is verging on the
libellous, and if I was the seller reading your post I would be pretty
****ed off.

Its not working. It clearly stated that. But there is a place that it
will work, isnt there Nick; in that weird little world in your head
that spills out onto the internet way too often.

As I say, do the world a favour and stop meddling with PCs and the
internet. It just seems to get you into trouble.

Paul B)

nick said "a perfectly functioning board just needing the right drivers."

Well yes, Creative and Nvidia you do have to be really really careful when
choosing drivers for these seldom heard of companies with there specialist
technology. I think youve taken this buying ****ed hardware to a new level,
You have created an art form sir. Ha Ha Ha

Col.



"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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"as mellow as a horse" wrote in message
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Hi;

I bought this item on eBay



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2769544 2
41
on the basis of the information given which is the PCs recognise the
card
but will not load the drivers. I have not recieved the card yet but
I`m
starting to worry that I have not been given an honest auction
description
as it would appear to be.

The most common genuine "fault" with these Creative Ti4400 cards is
bad
ram
which is obvious from the screen corruption there is no mention of
screen
corruption in the auction description - so a correct representation
would
not mention screen corruption which it does not. However there is a
possibility that the screen corruption only occurs once the drivers
have
loaded giving him a great reason to pretend he could not get the
drivers
loaded.

This auction



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...category=27 3
87
clearly states the problem I`m referring too and I would not have bid
on
it.

I have seen screen corruption on my own Ti4200 when you overclock the
graphics memory too high this is only possible when the drivers are
loaded
obviously - maybe I will be able to clock the memory lower slowing
down
the
card as a way around it - but I feel that if screen corruption occurs
it
will be obvious to me when I test it and that I have a right to feel
cheated.

As I say don`t actually have the item yet - whats your view ?

I sold a ti4600 on ebay in similar circumstances. I even mentioned that
it
had corruption right from the BIOS screen, yet I still got £50 for it!
I've
also been screwed by people selling stuff as "untested" (cough!), but at
least this guy is upfront. The usual spiel for such items is "we found
the[se] item[s] at the back of the stock cupboard/bought from a bankrupt
business, and haven't had time to test them"

You say somewhere that you would not be happy if the board had
corruption
from booting as mine did. Did you ask before you bought it?

And if it doesn't work just sell it on! I'm sure we'll all be watching
to
make sure YOU describe it properly!


Yeah but he doesn`t mention corruption right from the BIOS screen in which
case I would not have touched. I bid on it because there`s a chance (a
slim
one now I must admit) that it is a perfectly functioning board just
needing
the right drivers. Corruption isn`t mentioned in the description so
corruption shouldn`t be there - to have it and not mention it would make
it
more sellable becuase corruption means its 100% no possible other
explanation knackered.

"Paul Bunyan" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:

Hi;

I bought this item on eBay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=27387&item=27
69544241 on the basis of the information given which is the PCs
recognise the card but will not load the drivers. I have not recieved
the card yet but I`m starting to worry that I have not been given an
honest auction description as it would appear to be.

The most common genuine "fault" with these Creative Ti4400 cards is
bad ram which is obvious from the screen corruption there is no
mention of screen corruption in the auction description - so a
correct representation would not mention screen corruption which it
does not. However there is a possibility that the screen corruption
only occurs once the drivers have loaded giving him a great reason to
pretend he could not get the drivers loaded.

This auction
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...3276243&catego
ry=27387 clearly states the problem I`m referring too and I would not
have bid on it.

I have seen screen corruption on my own Ti4200 when you overclock the
graphics memory too high this is only possible when the drivers are
loaded obviously - maybe I will be able to clock the memory lower
slowing down the card as a way around it - but I feel that if screen
corruption occurs it will be obvious to me when I test it and that I
have a right to feel cheated.

As I say don`t actually have the item yet - whats your view ?

Nick,

Do yourself and everyone else a favour and give up PCs and get yourself
another hobby.

javelin
catching.

LMAO

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:
"Gizmo" wrote in message
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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Yeah but he doesn`t mention corruption right from the BIOS screen
in which case I would not have touched. I bid on it because there`s
a chance (a slim one now I must admit) that it is a perfectly
functioning board just needing the right drivers. Corruption isn`t
mentioned in the description so corruption shouldn`t be there - to
have it and not mention it would make it more sellable becuase
corruption means its 100% no possible other explanation knackered.

IF the corruption thing is so important to you, why didnt you use
"ask the seller a question" ?


Its as simple as this - POST/BIOS corruption = 0% chance of it
working now do you understand why its so important to me ? tbh I only
found out about the corruption issue after the auction had ended by
searching google for people with problems installing drivers.

Well you should have done this before bidding , although why you think
that
this will be the case for the card you are buying is beyond me.


Its a possibility although installing the wrong drivers is a more likely
one.

Oh , and as for cards with the POST screens corrupted being useless ,
well
thats another thing you have got wrong.

The card in my brothers machine has slightly corrupted fonts on the POST
screens which run at 640*480 , but when running a windows desktop at
800*
or
1024* , it works superbly.

Yeah we`re not talking about a font corruption you can work with - we`re
talking chequered boarded effects (Black & White squares all over the
screen) and other wierd stuff happening at POST and in the BIOS setup.



Oh bloody hell you shouldve said before, that makes it very very different.
Youre not worried about it being faulty youre worried about it being FAULTY.
Now I see where youre comming from.





......NOT ;-)

Col.