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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
I replaced my ATI Radeon 9800 AIW card (128 MB) with a new XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (128 MB; AGP). So far, I
have not been impressed with my games like World of Warcraft and Half-Life 2 (The Lost Coast). I have everything enabled and cranked up at 1152x864 resolution (only have a 17" CRT monitor and using 75hz) on my Athlon 64 3200+ system (754) with 1.5 GB of RAM. I do have the newest NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA's Web site. Since I am the type of guy who likes to have all the graphics effects, I set anisotropic to the maximum and highest quality. For example in World of Warcraft, I noticed new video options like 24-bit 4x multitextures or whatever it was. My FPS was about 15-20 in Arathi Hills (outdoor) above Wetland area. Indoor is fine except when things gets busy like in Ironforge where my FPS drop under 10 FPS. This is with anti-alias disabled that I can live with. Am I expecting too much from my video card upgrade? In some cases, it is the same performance and sometimes slower. I haven't tried FEAR yet but I have a bad feeling it will be similiar. I saw benchmarks that showed 6800 was decently faster. I am not expecting 7800 GTX speed. I am not even running at super high resolution! What am I missing? Do I have bottlenecks somewhere? I do not overclock nor want to. Thank you in advance. -- At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18 /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
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Since I am the type of guy who likes to have all the graphics effects, I set anisotropic to the maximum and highest quality. For example in World of Warcraft, I noticed new video options like 24-bit 4x multitextures or whatever it was. My FPS was about 15-20 in Arathi Hills (outdoor) above Wetland area. Indoor is fine except when things gets busy like in Ironforge where my FPS drop under 10 FPS. This is with anti-alias disabled that I can live with. Am I expecting too much from my video card upgrade? In some cases, it is the same performance and sometimes slower. I haven't tried FEAR yet but I have a bad feeling it will be similiar. I saw benchmarks that showed 6800 was decently faster. I am not expecting 7800 GTX speed. I am not even running at super high resolution! Now go off and look at the benchmarks for the cards with FSAA enabled... -- Conor "You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras. |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
Conor wrote:
In article , says... Since I am the type of guy who likes to have all the graphics effects, I set anisotropic to the maximum and highest quality. For example in World of Warcraft, I noticed new video options like 24-bit 4x multitextures or whatever it was. My FPS was about 15-20 in Arathi Hills (outdoor) above Wetland area. Indoor is fine except when things gets busy like in Ironforge where my FPS drop under 10 FPS. This is with anti-alias disabled that I can live with. Am I expecting too much from my video card upgrade? In some cases, it is the same performance and sometimes slower. I haven't tried FEAR yet but I have a bad feeling it will be similiar. I saw benchmarks that showed 6800 was decently faster. I am not expecting 7800 GTX speed. I am not even running at super high resolution! Now go off and look at the benchmarks for the cards with FSAA enabled... I already looked at both with and without FSAA. -- At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18 /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
wrote in message et... I replaced my ATI Radeon 9800 AIW card (128 MB) with a new XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (128 MB; AGP). So far, I have not been impressed with my games like World of Warcraft and Half-Life 2 (The Lost Coast). I have The plain vanilla 6800 is not a huge leap over a 9800 Pro. It's faster with more bandwidth, but at moderate resolutions you don't tend to see much framerate increases. Where you should see some gains is when you compare the 9800 Pro to the 6800 at 1155x864 with lots of AA/AF enabled. If you're not getting this, it's likely you did not do a severe ATI driver cleanout before installing. It's not enough to just uninstall the ATI drivers and then install the Nvidia ones. You need to use a driver cleaner and then manually delete all ATI registry entries as well as deleting all the related ATI DLL's and other files. When I upgraded a couple of years back from a GeForce2 GTS to a 9800 Pro I just uninstalled the Nvidia drivers and installed the ATI Catalysts. I too was underwhelmed by the initial experience. After manually deleting registry entries, using a driver cleaner and then tracking down and deleting ATI files and directories. After this, I saw a huge increase. |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
I replaced my ATI Radeon 9800 AIW card (128 MB) with a new XFX NVIDIA
GeForce 6800 (128 MB; AGP). So far, I have not been impressed with my games like World of Warcraft and Half-Life 2 (The Lost Coast). I have The plain vanilla 6800 is not a huge leap over a 9800 Pro. It's faster with more bandwidth, but at moderate resolutions you don't tend to see much framerate increases. Where you should see some gains is when you compare the 9800 Pro to the 6800 at 1155x864 with lots of AA/AF enabled. If you're not getting this, it's likely you did not do a severe ATI driver cleanout before installing. It's not enough to just uninstall the ATI drivers and then install the Nvidia ones. You need to use a driver cleaner and then manually delete all ATI registry entries as well as deleting all the related ATI DLL's and other files. When I upgraded a couple of years back from a GeForce2 GTS to a 9800 Pro I just uninstalled the Nvidia drivers and installed the ATI Catalysts. I too was underwhelmed by the initial experience. After manually deleting registry entries, using a driver cleaner and then tracking down and deleting ATI files and directories. After this, I saw a huge increase. Which driver cleaner do you recommend to remove ATI left overs? And how much improvement did you get? Like two times faster? -- At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18 /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
Which driver cleaner do you recommend to remove ATI left overs? And how
much improvement did you get? Like two times faster? http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745 Cleaning out the registry entries, using driver cleaner and deleting ATI files increased the synthetic benchmarks and real games framerates by about 20% plus. |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
1. Make sure the secondary monitor is disabled.
2. Make sure high-dynamic range rendering is disabled, if such an option is available in the game. 3. ATi cards take a far smaller performance hit (percentage-wise) from anisotropic filtering. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." wrote in message et... I replaced my ATI Radeon 9800 AIW card (128 MB) with a new XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (128 MB; AGP). So far, I have not been impressed with my games like World of Warcraft and Half-Life 2 (The Lost Coast). I have everything enabled and cranked up at 1152x864 resolution (only have a 17" CRT monitor and using 75hz) on my Athlon 64 3200+ system (754) with 1.5 GB of RAM. I do have the newest NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA's Web site. Since I am the type of guy who likes to have all the graphics effects, I set anisotropic to the maximum and highest quality. For example in World of Warcraft, I noticed new video options like 24-bit 4x multitextures or whatever it was. My FPS was about 15-20 in Arathi Hills (outdoor) above Wetland area. Indoor is fine except when things gets busy like in Ironforge where my FPS drop under 10 FPS. This is with anti-alias disabled that I can live with. |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
Augustus wrote:
Which driver cleaner do you recommend to remove ATI left overs? And how much improvement did you get? Like two times faster? http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745 Cleaning out the registry entries, using driver cleaner and deleting ATI files increased the synthetic benchmarks and real games framerates by about 20% plus. Wow, that's impressive. I will try that. I hope I don't have to reinstall and reconfigure NVIDIA driver when I use this tool. -- At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18 /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
First of One wrote:
1. Make sure the secondary monitor is disabled. 2. Make sure high-dynamic range rendering is disabled, if such an option is available in the game. 3. ATi cards take a far smaller performance hit (percentage-wise) from anisotropic filtering. -- At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." --Surah 27. The Ant, The Ants, line 18 /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phillip (Ant) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) |
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How come I still get low FPS in games with a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 (replaced ATI Radeon 9800)?
I'm in the middle of doing the same thing. I presently have an ATI
9800 Pro 128 ( not the AIW ), and in CoD2, my FPS are in the dirt even at VGA settings. In Far Cry, I am able to run decently with all Very High settings and AA set to 4x. My machine specs are the same as yours. Right now, I'm testing an nVidia GF6800 pci-e 16 with latest driver. My FPS are considerably higher .. not just a little higher. So I also ordered the XFX 6800 AGP ( good price ). What may be causing your problem is ( and I'm pretty sure you had to do this ) on your mobo, in order the get the ATI 9800 to run at all, you should have disabled FastWrites and set AGP to 4x. I think the nVidia card can use the default settings .. FastWrites ON, and AGP to 8x. Cleaning off the ATI drivers .... just get the cleaner from ATI site ... is a good idea. I would also clean the nVidia drivers and reinstall them too. No big deal, just do it. Another thing. nVidia doesn't trust us to know which settings are optimum in games. For the games that nVidia is familiar with, you get top settings by selecting the game default, and letting the nVidia card whack unnecessarily high settings. The card will actually turn off things that it can't use, and, if you look closely, you will see that the graphics really look good .. even if the settings appear to be mimimal. johns johns |
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