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Old February 16th 04, 09:11 PM
K. W.
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Default Why is text display so blur? Wrong chip type??

Hi,

I got a Predator GF4 MX440 8X AGP card (MD-NV4408X)installed on my
AMD (nForce2 Ultra 400) PC with WinXP Pro. But the text looks so
muddy. There are light gray shades to the left of the texts, making
them hard to read. The convergence of the monitor is fine. With my old
GF2 MX400 card, the texts look sharp. Isn't that GF4 MX440 a better
card?!
Besides, the device manager identifies the card as: "NVIDIA GEForce4
MX 440SE with AGP8X." Isn't this an MX440 or MX440-8X card, why does
it say 440SE?

Is this a hardware problem or software problem? Please help.

Thanks,

K.W.
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Old February 17th 04, 01:17 AM
D.L.
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You are experiencing the same problem I just had 2 days ago with a brand new
FX5900. Ghosted text. It's horrible. I contacted tech support and all I
could get was the standard babble about updating drivers, etc...even though
I was very specific in the fact that I'd done all of that stuff.

I fixed it though. I took the card back and got an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.
All I can say is WOW! What a difference. I've never had text or high
contrast this crisp and sharp. The 3D performance is every bit as good, if
not better, than that of the FX5900.

I'm definitely an ATI convert now. It's going to be quite a while before I
waste time and money on another Nvidia card.


"K. W." wrote in message
om...
Hi,

I got a Predator GF4 MX440 8X AGP card (MD-NV4408X)installed on my
AMD (nForce2 Ultra 400) PC with WinXP Pro. But the text looks so
muddy. There are light gray shades to the left of the texts, making
them hard to read. The convergence of the monitor is fine. With my old
GF2 MX400 card, the texts look sharp. Isn't that GF4 MX440 a better
card?!
Besides, the device manager identifies the card as: "NVIDIA GEForce4
MX 440SE with AGP8X." Isn't this an MX440 or MX440-8X card, why does
it say 440SE?

Is this a hardware problem or software problem? Please help.

Thanks,

K.W.





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Old February 17th 04, 05:01 AM
Kent_Diego
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If it's not the refresh rate or the monitor, it's the card. Test monitor by
replacement, then RMA the card if possible.

-Kent


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Old February 17th 04, 08:50 AM
Mike
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If you buy a Generic brand of card, what kind of performance do you expect
to get out of it? Nvidia doesn't make the card. They make the GPU,
everything else used on the card is up to the manufacturer. If they use
****ty components, then you've got a ****ty card, even if it's a Geforce FX
5950 Ultra GPU.

--
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
MSI K8T NEO FIS2R
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2PRO matched pair
PNY Verto GeForce FX 5900 SE
Maxtor 160GB SATA 7200 8MB
Emprex DVD Dual 8x DVDRW
LG 16x DVD
Antec TruePower PSU 350W
Windows XP Home
Microsoft Wireless Keyboard and Optical mouse
Total Cost: $1556.94, All bought at Fry's Electronics
at retail costs. Would have been cheaper if bought online.

Try to beat that with the latest Intel crap!
"K. W." wrote in message
om...
Hi,

I got a Predator GF4 MX440 8X AGP card (MD-NV4408X)installed on my
AMD (nForce2 Ultra 400) PC with WinXP Pro. But the text looks so
muddy. There are light gray shades to the left of the texts, making
them hard to read. The convergence of the monitor is fine. With my old
GF2 MX400 card, the texts look sharp. Isn't that GF4 MX440 a better
card?!
Besides, the device manager identifies the card as: "NVIDIA GEForce4
MX 440SE with AGP8X." Isn't this an MX440 or MX440-8X card, why does
it say 440SE?

Is this a hardware problem or software problem? Please help.

Thanks,

K.W.



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Old February 17th 04, 10:04 PM
Jase
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Which manufacturers do you class as generic and which are named .
As with most products the big name does not mean quality
"Mike" wrote in message
news:PIjYb.105$nI1.51@okepread05...
If you buy a Generic brand of card, what kind of performance do you expect
to get out of it? Nvidia doesn't make the card. They make the GPU,
everything else used on the card is up to the manufacturer. If they use
****ty components, then you've got a ****ty card, even if it's a Geforce

FX
5950 Ultra GPU.

--
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
MSI K8T NEO FIS2R
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2PRO matched pair
PNY Verto GeForce FX 5900 SE
Maxtor 160GB SATA 7200 8MB
Emprex DVD Dual 8x DVDRW
LG 16x DVD
Antec TruePower PSU 350W
Windows XP Home
Microsoft Wireless Keyboard and Optical mouse
Total Cost: $1556.94, All bought at Fry's Electronics
at retail costs. Would have been cheaper if bought online.

Try to beat that with the latest Intel crap!
"K. W." wrote in message
om...
Hi,

I got a Predator GF4 MX440 8X AGP card (MD-NV4408X)installed on my
AMD (nForce2 Ultra 400) PC with WinXP Pro. But the text looks so
muddy. There are light gray shades to the left of the texts, making
them hard to read. The convergence of the monitor is fine. With my old
GF2 MX400 card, the texts look sharp. Isn't that GF4 MX440 a better
card?!
Besides, the device manager identifies the card as: "NVIDIA GEForce4
MX 440SE with AGP8X." Isn't this an MX440 or MX440-8X card, why does
it say 440SE?

Is this a hardware problem or software problem? Please help.

Thanks,

K.W.





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Old February 18th 04, 05:57 PM
BelaLvgosi
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"Jase" wrote in message
...
Which manufacturers do you class as generic and which are named .
As with most products the big name does not mean quality


True, I had both a creative ti200 (msi rebadged model, even had msi ref. on
the pcb) and an herc gf2mx a (bought when they came out, relatively
expensive at that time) and until I tried a ti4200 8x bought new for cheap
(wich is also another creative model made by msi) I saw that there was a
way big difference, my latest buy was a gainward 5900 1100 and vga output is
as good, with vivid colours and contrast, unlike the other two cards who
looked washed and blured. Funny to see it all depends on a cheap part of the
card wich makers don't seem to value.


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Old February 18th 04, 07:04 PM
tq96
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Which manufacturers do you class as generic and which are named .
As with most products the big name does not mean quality


Perhaps, but there are some names that jump out as "budget" like Mad Dog or
Inland. (I shudder to think if Inland tried to make a high performance
video card.)
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Old February 20th 04, 05:14 AM
tikhomirov
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Here is my review of this card on epinions.com. There it would be difficult
to find it, epinions is a commercial web site, and they dug it far, far
deep, so that nobody could ever find it. If you search for this Mad Dog
Predator card on epinions.com, your are led immediately to the merchant web
site to buy it, no sleasy so called "reviews", nice and easy. NET, GET A
MAD DOG CARD WITH OLIVE PCB, NOT RED ONE.

So, here you a

STANDOUT IN A DULL WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING WORKS
Feb 17 '04 (Updated Feb 19 '04)

Author's Product Rating
Tow stars out of 5

Pros
Cheap, impressive specs and add-ons

Cons
Fuzzy picture, freezes after 2 hours of work, fan starts to roar after
1 month.

The Bottom Line
If shades to the right of vertical lines at 60Hz, or it freezes or
the fan is noisy, bring the card back. ATI Radeon9100 for $50-60 is a better
choice.


Full Review
Got this card from Office Max on December 9, 2003. The price was
right, the card had TV-out, two video-outs, one of which is
analogue/digital, 64 MB very fast DDR memory and all niceties of GF MX440-8X
chip, which is claimed to be faster than GF FX5200. MX440-8X does not
support DirectX-9 in hardware, however. Nice picture at 120 Hz in 768X1024
resolution.

The card kept freezing, however, while the rest of the computer was
still running (including Internet sharing, sound, printing). Sometimes after
2 minutes Windows could switch to VGA mode and give a diagnostics that there
are problems with video adapter. It was happening after 2 hours of work and
could be cured by re-starting the computer.

In February a terrible fan noise started. I went to Office Max and
they were kind enough to exchange it for a new card, same model, sealed in
plastic. Brought it home, tore the plastic and found a used board with dusty
heatsink. Plugged it in and here is this loud sound from the fan bearing
again (the serial # was different on the board, however)!

Conclusion: on cards with green-colored PCB and golden-anodized sink
watch for fan bearing logevity!

I brought the card back and Office Max gave me another one. Now it was
with a silver heat sink and red PCB. See a 128 MB version he

http://www.primetek.com.hk/vga_MX440%208X%20DDR.html

Plugged it in and after several re-starts with showing garbage on the
screen it came alive. The fan is quiet this time. However, there are shades
to the right of any vertical black, blue, red or yellow line or letter. I
checked my monitor replacing this card with Permedia-2 PCI (Video Blaster
Exxtreme), which is 8 years old: no shades at 100 Hz. This means that the
monitor is fine. Put back the Mad Dog, re-installed the recent NVidia
drivers - shades again! Hooked the DVI via a DVI-to-VGA adaptor: no
improvement. Do not know if this one was freezing after 2 hours, though.

Replaced it with another red-colored board (these, in contrast to
olive-colored, have a bar graph on the box, not a table, comparing
performance, and the box does not say "DVI-to-VGA adapter" included, which
is true). Same fuzzy text, dark picture. It crashes, if "fast writes" are
enabled in the BIOS of VIA KT400 motherboard from Biostar (M7VIT Pro).

Finally found in another Office Max the right box without the dreadful
bar graph and bought it! The text is razor sharp at 120 Hz, and I have a
21-inch HP P1100 ($120 + tax, after-lease on a computer show, can't beat
it). "Fast writes" are enabled without problem. Now typing this review
looking at it.

I am under the impression now that in case of this "budget" card
version (red board, 4 Samsung-343 memory chips, 4 memory positions vacant,
silver "Primetek" heat sink, no label "Made in Taiwan, smaller in length,
BIOS from January 2003), Mad Dog is collecting a non-standard grade of
product run from original equipment manufacturer, while better testing cards
are sold elsewhere. Or maybe the entire run is like that.

Their re-packaging of a used returned product and selling it as new
does not speak favorably of them either.

Mad Dog used to perform better in the past. Are they under financial
stress now?

Recommended
No

Amount Paid (US$): 34 after reb


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"Mike" wrote in message
news:PIjYb.105$nI1.51@okepread05...
If you buy a Generic brand of card, what kind of performance do you expect
to get out of it? Nvidia doesn't make the card. They make the GPU,
everything else used on the card is up to the manufacturer. If they use
****ty components, then you've got a ****ty card, even if it's a Geforce

FX
5950 Ultra GPU.

--
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
MSI K8T NEO FIS2R
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2PRO matched pair
PNY Verto GeForce FX 5900 SE
Maxtor 160GB SATA 7200 8MB
Emprex DVD Dual 8x DVDRW
LG 16x DVD
Antec TruePower PSU 350W
Windows XP Home
Microsoft Wireless Keyboard and Optical mouse
Total Cost: $1556.94, All bought at Fry's Electronics
at retail costs. Would have been cheaper if bought online.

Try to beat that with the latest Intel crap!
"K. W." wrote in message
om...
Hi,

I got a Predator GF4 MX440 8X AGP card (MD-NV4408X)installed on my
AMD (nForce2 Ultra 400) PC with WinXP Pro. But the text looks so
muddy. There are light gray shades to the left of the texts, making
them hard to read. The convergence of the monitor is fine. With my old
GF2 MX400 card, the texts look sharp. Isn't that GF4 MX440 a better
card?!
Besides, the device manager identifies the card as: "NVIDIA GEForce4
MX 440SE with AGP8X." Isn't this an MX440 or MX440-8X card, why does
it say 440SE?

Is this a hardware problem or software problem? Please help.

Thanks,

K.W.





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Old February 22nd 04, 02:16 AM
K. W.
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Thanks for your detailed description. If you saw your review, I
probably wouldn't buy this card in the first place. I too was driven
by its impressive specs for a budget card. No more. I got myself a
Gigabyte ATI 9200 from Newegg, couldn't be happier. I tried my
friend's PNY FX5200 with good display. So it is not Nvidia or ATI, I
guess, but more of the vendor/manufacturer.

FYI: Mine is a dark brown (olive?) PCB. The board doesn't look
fresh at a first glance. So I suspect it is re-packaging of a used
returned product as you pointed out.

The previous posts from other people also confirmed it is a
hardware problem. I just don't have the patience to try another one.
Even my very old PC with on-board video has much sharper texts. This
board is just a trash. I wonder why OfficeMax allow this kind of card
on their shelf.

Thanks for all the responses. I guess I'll take the advice to stay
away from those vendor with ****ty components.

Rgds,

K.W.






"tikhomirov" wrote in message news:hQfZb.224218$U%5.1398575@attbi_s03...
Here is my review of this card on epinions.com. There it would be difficult
to find it, epinions is a commercial web site, and they dug it far, far
deep, so that nobody could ever find it. If you search for this Mad Dog
Predator card on epinions.com, your are led immediately to the merchant web
site to buy it, no sleasy so called "reviews", nice and easy. NET, GET A
MAD DOG CARD WITH OLIVE PCB, NOT RED ONE.

....
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Old February 24th 04, 06:06 AM
Alexander Pushkin
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A good "made in Taiwan" olive-PCB "Predator" card from Mad Dog has an
MX440-8X chip.

A bad "Made in China" Predator card from Mad Dog made by PrimeTek with red
PCB had an MX440SE-8X chip.

Maybe this was the reason for the difference in picture quality (or the
absence of any quality whatsoever for the red sub-species), or some other
smaller components on the red board are out of spec. I told the manager of
Office Max that it is in their best interest to send back all of these
cards. A lot of innocent consumers will suffer an eye strain.

Maybe the red cards are still OK for a digital hookup?



"K. W." wrote in message
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Thanks for your detailed description. If you saw your review, I
probably wouldn't buy this card in the first place...



 




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