XP OEM - Interesting conversation with MS employee

On Wed, 11 May 2005 10:41:47 GMT, Leythos
wrote:

In article ,
says...
They accepted orders that
they told authorities were carried out when in fact they had not been.
They lied. They were being by your definition "dishonest".

So, what you're stating is that honesty and integrity are relative to
the personal views of the specific individual and not in relation to
society?


Isn't that a bit of an irony, since a large portion of
society (particularly the 3rd worlds) do pirate windows?



Either they lied or not, and either they are good to their word or not,
and any other interpretation is a subjective measure of their integrity.

There are mitigating factors. You must live an easy life
(or wear blinders) if you can't envision any scenarios where
a moral person might lie.

kony wrote:

snip

There are mitigating factors. You must live an easy life
(or wear blinders) if you can't envision any scenarios where
a moral person might lie.

He wears the blinders supplied to all Microsoft partners.

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I haven't been able to find a retail copy of WinXP in Spain, only
upgrades
and OEMs.


It may have to be special ordered. It certainly is produced by
Microsoft but not all stores would stock it because the demand is low.

At the largest department store in Spain, retail Home upgrade is on sale
for
$US 395.41

On sale you say?!? I can see why the demand is so low. Nothing else, just
WinXP Home Upgrade for about 400USD. How does MS justify that cost; maybe
takes a quarter to make for them? Man now I know how they are running the
Call Center to authenticate peeps 24/7 by robbing the International
customers blind. I'd love to see a cost analysis breakdown. Maybe I'll buy
some stock for a free prospectus.

Can you get it cheaper in France or Italy? Or is that prohibited by the
Spanish Government?

Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost to
manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return on their
massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to Windows XP,
in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are absorbed by Microsoft
and are offered free to the consumer.

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx

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"BNR" wrote:

| On sale you say?!? I can see why the demand is so low. Nothing else, just
| WinXP Home Upgrade for about 400USD. How does MS justify that cost; maybe
| takes a quarter to make for them? Man now I know how they are running the
| Call Center to authenticate peeps 24/7 by robbing the International
| customers blind. I'd love to see a cost analysis breakdown. Maybe I'll buy
| some stock for a free prospectus.
|
| Can you get it cheaper in France or Italy? Or is that prohibited by the
| Spanish Government?



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"BNR" wrote in message
nk.net...
I haven't been able to find a retail copy of WinXP in Spain, only
upgrades
and OEMs.


It may have to be special ordered. It certainly is produced by
Microsoft but not all stores would stock it because the demand is low.

At the largest department store in Spain, retail Home upgrade is on sale
for
$US 395.41

On sale you say?!? I can see why the demand is so low. Nothing else,
just
WinXP Home Upgrade for about 400USD. How does MS justify that cost; maybe
takes a quarter to make for them? Man now I know how they are running the
Call Center to authenticate peeps 24/7 by robbing the International
customers blind. I'd love to see a cost analysis breakdown. Maybe I'll
buy
some stock for a free prospectus.

Can you get it cheaper in France or Italy? Or is that prohibited by the
Spanish Government?

Not much demand for French and Italian language XPs in Spain ;-) People just
buy OEMs or a computer with Home already installed. I can give you the urls
for the major computer store chains in Spain and you will see that NONE of
them offer retail in any shape or form. ALL of them offer OEMs at a good
price.

Alias

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote
Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for
them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost to
manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return on
their
massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to Windows XP,
in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are absorbed by
Microsoft
and are offered free to the consumer.

--
Carey Frisch

I dare say that an upgrade for XP Home is far less than $US 395 in the
States which shoots your lame theory all to hell. MS is one of the most
successful highway robbers in the history of the world and they have a lot
of gall making paying customers prove their honesty through PA and charging
so much for their software.
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for
them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost to
manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return on
their
massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to Windows XP,
in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are absorbed by
Microsoft
and are offered free to the consumer.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups


I agree Microsoft has the right to a return on their investment but
"billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP" I could accept $10s of millions
possibly even 100s of millions. I guess they pay their employees really
well. XP must have made a few more MS millionaires. If they had 1,000
programmers working on XP that's over a million dollars each.

:-)

Kerry

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx

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"BNR" wrote:

| On sale you say?!? I can see why the demand is so low. Nothing else,
just
| WinXP Home Upgrade for about 400USD. How does MS justify that cost;
maybe
| takes a quarter to make for them? Man now I know how they are running
the
| Call Center to authenticate peeps 24/7 by robbing the International
| customers blind. I'd love to see a cost analysis breakdown. Maybe I'll
buy
| some stock for a free prospectus.
|
| Can you get it cheaper in France or Italy? Or is that prohibited by the
| Spanish Government?



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apple's latest os upgrade tiger $125 family plan upgrade for up to 5
puters $ 195

linux some free others very cheap .

bills kids should start thinking about sell some of their stock ;P

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for
them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost
to manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return
on their massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to
Windows XP, in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are
absorbed by Microsoft and are offered free to the consumer.


On sale you say?!? I can see why the demand is so low. Nothing
else, just WinXP Home Upgrade for about 400USD. How does MS justify
that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for them? Man now I know
how they are running the Call Center to authenticate peeps 24/7 by
robbing the International customers blind. I'd love to see a cost
analysis breakdown. Maybe I'll buy some stock for a free prospectus.

Can you get it cheaper in France or Italy? Or is that prohibited by
the Spanish Government?


http://www.ananova.com/business/stor...1827.html?menu

86% profit margin

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"Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message
...
I agree Microsoft has the right to a return on their investment but
"billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP" I could accept $10s of millions
possibly even 100s of millions. I guess they pay their employees really
well. XP must have made a few more MS millionaires. If they had 1,000
programmers working on XP that's over a million dollars each.

Win2k had something like 240 managers each managing a number of employees,
not sure how many each.

Michael