Looking for a "pretty good" PCI-E video card ...

But they have to let me know when they're coming. I have to let them in and
I can restrict their access to their ****. Right? (And, generally, they're
not the best and the brightest anyway!)

SoCalCommie

"Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
SoCalCommie wrote:
Right, I forgot about them. So worried that their precious premium
content might get recorded to a DVD or HD for later viewing. Eff 'em,
it's only a matter of time before someone busts their protection
scheme (racket) - BluRay and HD-DVD has already been hacked, less
than a year after release.

The thing about BluRay and HD-DVD is that they don't get to send a tech
into your house to hook you up. The cable company does and they can
shut off your service if they see anything they don't like.

SoCalCommie

"Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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SoCalCommie wrote:
DRM as Micrsoft sees it? I say this because HDCP can be had on a XP
system. I have a XBox360 HD-DVD drive, CyberLink PowerDVD v6.5, and
HDCP complient video card (7900GT) and monitor (Westy 37" 1080p)
that works great on my MCE2005 system.

DRM as Cable Labs sees it, apparently.


...and I'll 'upgrade' to Vista when SP-1 is released... maybe ;-)

SoCalCommie

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SoCalCommie wrote:
But they have to let me know when they're coming. I have to let them
in and I can restrict their access to their ****. Right? (And,
generally, they're not the best and the brightest anyway!)

Yeah, but "their ****" includes the CableCard that is keyed to the
computer.

SoCalCommie

"Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
SoCalCommie wrote:
Right, I forgot about them. So worried that their precious premium
content might get recorded to a DVD or HD for later viewing. Eff
'em, it's only a matter of time before someone busts their
protection scheme (racket) - BluRay and HD-DVD has already been
hacked, less than a year after release.

The thing about BluRay and HD-DVD is that they don't get to send a
tech into your house to hook you up. The cable company does and
they can shut off your service if they see anything they don't like.

SoCalCommie

"Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
SoCalCommie wrote:
DRM as Micrsoft sees it? I say this because HDCP can be had on a
XP system. I have a XBox360 HD-DVD drive, CyberLink PowerDVD
v6.5, and HDCP complient video card (7900GT) and monitor (Westy
37" 1080p) that works great on my MCE2005 system.

DRM as Cable Labs sees it, apparently.


...and I'll 'upgrade' to Vista when SP-1 is released... maybe ;-)

SoCalCommie

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"Roger" wrote in message


[...]

There are many DX9 cards currently running on Vista (they reportedly
sold 90 million copies the first month)

20 million, proportionately about the same as XP when it first shipped.

Tony Pacc wrote:
Ati 1300 uses Hypermemory,I have 1300 Pro and pretty sure it uses
Hypermemory.

Check again and you'll find that it has 256 MB or more of GDDR2 RAM on
board.

You need to read the specs on the _board_, not the _chip_.

You'll mostly find Hypermemory on low-end laptops but actually it's rare
even there--usually the low end will use Intel embedded video instead of
ATI.

"Augustus" wrote in message
news:%NWNh.15566$__3.7401@edtnps90...

"Mr.E Solved!" wrote in message
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J. Clarke wrote:
Augustus wrote:
"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
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Hey, Sky King: It just doesn't make to get a card that's not
Vista (Aero) compatible when one that is doesn't cost any more.
Without regard to whether or not one has current plans to
actually use Vista (plans change).
This is essentially my point.

I don't know what you people are on about. It's hard to find a
PCI-Express video board that is _not_ "Aero compatible". You'd
have to pretty much set out deliberately to find one. Seems to me
that it's a non-issue.



I believe they are confusing 'Aero' compatibility or capabilities
with either HDCP or DX10 compatibilities, as you say, nearly every
card will run desktop compositioning, including non current cards.

DX10 compliance, a whole different issue. The mainstream GeForce 8
series will be available in about two weeks, so there will be more

No, I'm not confusing Aero compatability with DX10 compliance. Vista
Aero on a low memory 64bit turbo-cache or hypermemory style card
will wok but is not desirable. It has sluggish performance compared
to even the 1300 series and 7300 cards. And there's plenty of bottom
feeder cards out there with 64bit memory and low dedicated RAM.
Vista Aero doesn't require much. But you will defintely feel a
difference between a 64bit 7100LE Turbocache or a 64 bit 1550
Hypermemory versus a "real" low end 7300 or 1300 series given the
same hardware.

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Ati 1300 uses Hypermemory,I have 1300 Pro and pretty sure it uses
Hypermemory.
"Augustus" wrote in message
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"Mr.E Solved!" wrote in message
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J. Clarke wrote:
Augustus wrote:
"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
...
Hey, Sky King: It just doesn't make to get a card that's not Vista
(Aero) compatible when one that is doesn't cost any more. Without
regard to whether or not one has current plans to actually use Vista
(plans change).
This is essentially my point.

I don't know what you people are on about. It's hard to find a
PCI-Express video board that is _not_ "Aero compatible". You'd have to
pretty much set out deliberately to find one. Seems to me that it's a
non-issue.



I believe they are confusing 'Aero' compatibility or capabilities with
either HDCP or DX10 compatibilities, as you say, nearly every card will
run desktop compositioning, including non current cards.

DX10 compliance, a whole different issue. The mainstream GeForce 8 series
will be available in about two weeks, so there will be more

No, I'm not confusing Aero compatability with DX10 compliance. Vista Aero
on a low memory 64bit turbo-cache or hypermemory style card will wok but
is not desirable. It has sluggish performance compared to even the 1300
series and 7300 cards. And there's plenty of bottom feeder cards out there
with 64bit memory and low dedicated RAM. Vista Aero doesn't require much.
But you will defintely feel a difference between a 64bit 7100LE Turbocache
or a 64 bit 1550 Hypermemory versus a "real" low end 7300 or 1300 series
given the same hardware.

Tony Pacc wrote:
What version direct x does vista have,I do a dual boot of XP & vista
on 2 hd,cant find dirx on vista doing a search.

Directx 10. Run "DXDIAG".

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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No One wrote:
Cessna 310 wrote:
No One wrote:


More important is Direct X 10 compliant. Good luck finding one
under $450.


Why is it important to have a card that's DirX10 compliant? Won't
the current crop of 9 cards work?

No, they will not. Currently, only the nVidia 8800 line works with
Direct X 10.

Not this crap again. Went through it with DX 9--you must not have
been old enough to read then.

Just about any current video board will work with DX10. What it
won't do is provide hardware acceleration for new features unique to
DX10. The nVidia 8800 line has that hardware acceleration, but if it
is not present then depending on the feature DX10 will either use
soft emulation or will simply disable the feature. There's nothing
in Aero that requires that those new features be accelerated in
hardware.


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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:45:36 +1000, "DRS"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message


[...]

There are many DX9 cards currently running on Vista (they reportedly
sold 90 million copies the first month)

20 million, proportionately about the same as XP when it first shipped.



Noticeably MS did not break out the number of (non-OEM) retail
stand-alone or upgrade copies sold. I suspect that particular number
is very disappointing, compared with the corresponding numbers for XP
in the same time period.

John Lewis

What version direct x does vista have,I do a dual boot of XP & vista on 2
hd,cant find dirx on vista doing a search.
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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No One wrote:
Cessna 310 wrote:
No One wrote:


More important is Direct X 10 compliant. Good luck finding one
under $450.


Why is it important to have a card that's DirX10 compliant? Won't
the current crop of 9 cards work?

No, they will not. Currently, only the nVidia 8800 line works with
Direct X 10.

Not this crap again. Went through it with DX 9--you must not have been
old enough to read then.

Just about any current video board will work with DX10. What it won't
do is provide hardware acceleration for new features unique to DX10.
The nVidia 8800 line has that hardware acceleration, but if it is not
present then depending on the feature DX10 will either use soft
emulation or will simply disable the feature. There's nothing in Aero
that requires that those new features be accelerated in hardware.


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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:42:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

SoCalCommie wrote:
Right, I forgot about them. So worried that their precious premium
content might get recorded to a DVD or HD for later viewing. Eff 'em,
it's only a matter of time before someone busts their protection
scheme (racket) - BluRay and HD-DVD has already been hacked, less
than a year after release.

The thing about BluRay and HD-DVD is that they don't get to send a tech
into your house to hook you up. The cable company does and they can
shut off your service if they see anything they don't like.


The cable company should only come out to do the install or on a
trouble call.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:14:56 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

SoCalCommie wrote:
But they have to let me know when they're coming. I have to let them
in and I can restrict their access to their ****. Right? (And,
generally, they're not the best and the brightest anyway!)

Yeah, but "their ****" includes the CableCard that is keyed to the
computer.

Some do and some don't.
I've finally found something good about Charter:-)) No Cable cards.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com