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Memory Timing Question
I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. |
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Si wrote:
According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? If Corsair states that the chips can run at 2-3-3-6 speed then they can.It's all up to you to set them at those latencies. On the BIOS screen press Ctrl+F1 and go into the new directory.You should have no problem with the options in there. And when you look at the timings the top one is the first number and so on. |
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So that means that the 3rd number changes from 8 to 3. Seems a bit of a jump
to me. Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. "Glitch" wrote in message ... Si wrote: According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? If Corsair states that the chips can run at 2-3-3-6 speed then they can.It's all up to you to set them at those latencies. On the BIOS screen press Ctrl+F1 and go into the new directory.You should have no problem with the options in there. And when you look at the timings the top one is the first number and so on. |
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Si wrote:
So that means that the 3rd number changes from 8 to 3. Seems a bit of a jump to me. Yes,that is a bit strange.My 8I875Ultra has the numbers in the correct order.You probably need to switch 8 with the last 3. |
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OK, many thanks Glitch.
Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. "Glitch" wrote in message ... Si wrote: So that means that the 3rd number changes from 8 to 3. Seems a bit of a jump to me. Yes,that is a bit strange.My 8I875Ultra has the numbers in the correct order.You probably need to switch 8 with the last 3. |
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"Si" wrote in message ... I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. Hi Si It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to adjust your timings manually. I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first AND never assume anything! I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I also tested extensively with MemTest86 I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless). Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference. It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its current location. Sorry for any delay. Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates. Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again. Regards Nick |
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Thanks Nick, that would be really helpful. I'm having real problems at the
moment. I also installed a new cpu as well as the memory and now my PC keeps re-booting after a short time. I am at a total loss as to what to do. Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. "Nickm" wrote in message ... "Si" wrote in message ... I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. Hi Si It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to adjust your timings manually. I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first AND never assume anything! I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I also tested extensively with MemTest86 I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless). Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference. It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its current location. Sorry for any delay. Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates. Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again. Regards Nick |
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It sounds like memory timing issues. Sorry for the delay. Was out all day
yesterday and didn't have time to give you the info you need. Hope to find an hour in an hour or so though :-) "Si" wrote in message ... Thanks Nick, that would be really helpful. I'm having real problems at the moment. I also installed a new cpu as well as the memory and now my PC keeps re-booting after a short time. I am at a total loss as to what to do. Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. "Nickm" wrote in message ... "Si" wrote in message ... I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. Hi Si It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to adjust your timings manually. I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first AND never assume anything! I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I also tested extensively with MemTest86 I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless). Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference. It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its current location. Sorry for any delay. Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates. Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again. Regards Nick |
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Thanks mate. I tried putting in my old memory but the pc still reboots.
Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. "Nickm" wrote in message ... It sounds like memory timing issues. Sorry for the delay. Was out all day yesterday and didn't have time to give you the info you need. Hope to find an hour in an hour or so though :-) "Si" wrote in message ... Thanks Nick, that would be really helpful. I'm having real problems at the moment. I also installed a new cpu as well as the memory and now my PC keeps re-booting after a short time. I am at a total loss as to what to do. Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. "Nickm" wrote in message ... "Si" wrote in message ... I just installed the following ram: 1GB Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2Pro. I'm a bit confused about the timing settings on my Gigabyte 8KNXP Rev 2.0 mobo. According to the Corsair website, the timing for these modules is 2-3-3-6 for Intel boards but I noticed in the BIOS that the timing entry was set to "SPD" with the following timings listed: 3-3-8-3. Is this something I need to adjust, and how do I know which number relates to which entry in the BIOS? Cheers. Si -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy. Hi Si It will work for you. As I found you will almost certainly have to adjust your timings manually. I have the same board and memory combination. Thinking at the time (over a year ago) that the best memory around and Gigabyte's flagship model would sync up out of the box so to speak I installed everything and found that there were some serious memory errors being caused when memory timings were set to SPD. I then checked Gigabyte's list of recommended memory manufacturers and models and found that my expensive Corsair RAM wasn't on the list. Aaarrghhh!! Lesson: Always check this stuff first AND never assume anything! I hunted around a bit on the Net and luckily found someone else who'd had the same issues and who'd kindly published their ideal manual memory settings they'd discovered after hours of experimental tweaking. These worked a treat for me and my system is rock solid stable. Runs two music apps in the main: Cubase SX3 and the older Cubase VST 5.2 (the reason I mention these two apps is that if anything's going to fall over for the slightest reason these are two applications that will notice anything slightly out of tune and let you know quite impolitely by rebooting). I also tested extensively with MemTest86 I have to go out in a few minutes, but I will boot my music PC when I return later today and let you know the BIOS settings I've used. BTW my CPU is the Pentium 4 3.0e model (not Prescott, but 800MHz nevertheless). Not sure of the current BIOS revision in my PC, but will check that too for you. I'll also give you a run-down on the overall spec and other hardware installed in my system (and in which PCI slot) for reference. It'll take me longer than I have right now to get the machine out of its current location. Sorry for any delay. Please reply via group, my email address is not as this post indicates. Once bitten by serious spam, I don't intend to go down that path again. Regards Nick |
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Hi Si
Apologies for the delay in replying again. As you will see, to get all the info down in black and white takes a fair old amount of time. Here's my system spec (I use this PC for multi-track audio recording with Steinberg Cubase VST 32 v5.2 and/or Cubase SX 3). The fans and drives are quite noisy, as would be expected given the numbers involved, which for an audio recording PC is normally a problem, but the whole machine iteslf is isolated and therefore not a problem when in use. Windows XP SP1 (just haven't got round to upgrading yet) PSU - TOPOWER 420w PSU Graphics - ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 8x 128MB PCI Slot 1 - empty PCI Slot 2 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card PCI Slot 3 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card PCI Slot 4 - Terratec EWS88MT 8 in - 8 out 24/96 audio card PCI Slot 5 - empty Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller Drives: IDE Channel 1 Master: IBM/Hitachi 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache IDE Channel 1 Slave: Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache IDE Channel 2 Master: Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW IDE Channel 2 Slave: Lite-on 16x DVD ROM Drive ITE IT812 ATA RAID Controller Drives: IDE Channel 1 Master: Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache IDE Channel 1 Slave: Western Digital 30 GB 7200rpm 2MB cache IDE Channel 2 Master: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache IDE Channel 2 Slave: Seagate 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache Silicon Image SiL 3112 SATA Raid Controller Drives: Channel 0: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA Channel 1: Maxtor 120GB 7200rpm 8MB cache SATA Remaining 2 SATA ports - empty Standard 3.5" Floppy Drive Memory DIMM Slots Used: Slot nearest CPU on first bank Slot nearest CPU on second bank Memory Type: Corsair Twin-X 1024-3200C Pro (2 x 512MB Matched Pair) CPU: Intel P4 3.0(e) 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB Hyper-Threading (512Kb cache) NOT PRESCOTT CPU FAN: Stock Intel Fan as supplied with CPU BIOS Revision: FE BIOS Settings for CPU/Memory etc... (You'll need to press Ctrl + F1 for the hidden Advanced Chipset features and Top Performance menu items) Standard CMOS Features - normal drive and date settings Advanced BIOS Features: Hard Disk Boot Priority: 1-Ch0 M; 2-Ch 0 S; 3-SCSI-1: Sil Striped Set; 4-SCSI-0: IT8212; 5-Bootable Add-in cards BIOS Flash Protection: AUTO First Boot Device: Hard Disk Second Boot Device: CDROM Third Boot Device: Floppy Boot Up Floppy Seek: Disabled Boot Up Num Lock: ON Password Check: SETUP Interrupt Mode: APIC HDD Smart Capability: DISABLED (no particular reason) CPU Hyper-Threading: ENABLED Delay for HDD (Secs): 0 Full Screen Logo Show: DISABLED Intel On-Screen Branding: ENABLED Flexible AGP 8x: AUTO DRAM Data Integrity Mode: (greyed) Non-ECC Init Display First: AGP Advanced Chipset Features: Configure DRAM Timing: MANUAL CAS Latency Time: 2 Active to Precharge Delay: 6 DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 3 DRAM RAS# Precharge: 2 Refresh Mode Select: 7.8us Delayed Transaction: ENABLED AGP Aperture Size: 128MB PSB Parking: DISABLED Command Per Clock: AUTO Current CPC: (greyed) DISABLED Fast Chip Select: AUTO Current FCS: (greyed) ENABLED Dynamic Paging Mode: AUTO Current Dynamic Paging: (greyed) ENABLED Integrated Peripherals: On-Chip Primary PCI IDE: ENABLED On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE: ENABLED (the following settings inclusive are set to AUTO) from IDE1 Conductor Cable to On-Chip SATA - ALL AUTO SATA Port0 configure as: SATA Port0 (greyed) SATA Port1 configure as: SATA Port1 (greyed) SATA RAID Function: ENABLED USB Controller: ENABLED USB 2.0 Controller: ENABLED USB Keyboard Support: DISABLED USB Mouse Support: DISABLED Onboard H/W SATA: ENABLED Serial ATA Function: RAID Onboard H/W GIGARAID: ENABLED GigaRAID Function: ATA Onboard H/W 1394: ENABLED Onboard H/W LAN: ENABLED Onboard Serial Port 1: 3F8/IRQ4 Onboard Serial Port 2: 2F8/IRQ3 UART Mode Select: NORMAL UR2 Duplex Mode: (greyed): HALF Onboard Parallel Port: 378/IRQ7 Parallel Port Mode: SPP ECP Mode Use DMA: (greyed) 3 Game Port Address: 201 Midi Port Address: DISABLED Midi Port IRQ: (greyed): 10 CIR Port Address: DISABLED CIR Port IRQ: (greyed) 11 Power Management Setup: ACPI Suspend Type: S1 (POS) USB Device Wake-up from S3: (greyed) ENABLED Power LED in S1 State: BLINKING Off by Power Button: INSTANT-OFF Everything else: DISABLED AC BACK Function: SOFT-OFF PnP/PCI Configurations: Everything set to AUTO PC Health Status (pertinent settings only): CPU Warning Temperatu 60deg C/140 deg F CPU Fan Fail Warning: ENABLED Power Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by board) System Fan Warning: DISABLED (tower cooling fans are not controlled by board) CPU Smart Fan Control: ENABLED Frequency Voltage Control: C.I.A. Function: ENABLED C.I.A. Frequency: CRUISE CPU Host Clock Control: (greyed) DISABLED CPU Host Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 100 AGP/PCI/SRC Fixed: (greyed) 66/33/100 Memory Frequency for: AUTO Memory Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 400 AGP/PCI/SRC Frequency (MHz): (greyed) 66/33/100 DIMM OverVoltage Control: +0.2v (Corsair Memory recommended this increase on the packaging) AGP OverVoltage Control: NORMAL CPU Voltage Control: NORMAL Normal CPU Vco (greyed) 1.5250V Top Performance DISABLED I don't think there's anything more I can tell you about my system. If you try the manual memory settings I have listed, plus the 0.2v overvoltage on your RAM (check your memory's packaging first! - sorry, but you're on your own if by any chance it should burn out because of over-voltage. It's always a slight risk, but it was recommended by Corsair on the packaging my RAM came in, and has worked for me to date), you should achieve stability. There is a proviso though... your existing OS and software installation should have been stable to start with (I assume it was with your old CPU from what you've previously described) AND you're not overclocking anything (I assume you're not from what you have said - but in general overclocking terms, not particularly specific to the 8KNXP, unless you lock the AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz respectively, every 1MHz increase to the CPU's base FSB - normally 100MHz for P4 but multiplied within the CPU to give 533 or 800MHz actual speed - will increase the AGP frequency by a further 0.66MHz and the PCI bus frequency by a further 0.33 MHz. Whilst most modern AGP cards are quite flexible in this respect, not all PCI cards are and some might start to fall over causing random reboots with a moderate PCI frequency increase to only 37MHz or so.). The 8KNXP like many other modern boards has been designed for overclocking to some extent, and therefore has the ability to lock AGP and PCI frequencies to 66MHz and 33MHz irrespective of how fast you can push the CPU and Memory. SATA controllers also suffer from overclocking settings and o/c is not recommended if you are using SATA. Personally, I've tried overclocking with a degree of success a long time before getting this board, and yes, it's a bit of fun to get something for nothing and to see how it's done, but with this particular PC, I can't afford for it to fall over in the middle of a band's live performance at a gig, so stability is paramount, so apart from the memory timings which I found in December 2003 on the Net and can't take credit for, I haven't made any special provision. You might find swapping any PCI cards you have around to different slots might help (but as you've run the baord for some time, I doubt that this will help). The only other thing I can think of, is a dodgy driver - you should always try where possible to use drivers that have been certified (signed) by Microsoft. I know it's not always possible, but Microsoft have cleverly largely dodged the issue of being accused (as they have been a lot in the past) of producing a faulty OS when quite a lot of the time a faulty 3rd party driver was to blame. That's why the message pops up asking you to confirm that you want to use an unsigned driver, thereby passing the responsibility if the system fails to you. You always have System Restore or the last of the regular backups you took ;-/ Graphics card drivers are probably the most common culprits in my experience - many graphics card manufacturers - Matrox in particular - used to tweak a few settings via software drivers (probably still do in a more sophisticated way) to give their cards the edge, and although I like Matrox cards a lot, a few years ago (pre-XP) they used to give me some interesting moments. I hope the information I have shared here helps you sort out your problem. Regards Nick |
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