New hard disk architectures

They're talking about integrating flash with hard disks, as well as
increasing the sector size from 512 bytes to 4096 bytes.

Revamping Hard Disk Architecture
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1901955,00.asp

YKhan wrote

They're talking about integrating flash with hard disks,

Cant see the point myself, better on the motherboard.

as well as increasing the sector size from 512 bytes to 4096 bytes.

Revamping Hard Disk Architecture
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1901955,00.asp

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking about,
integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive. Also they're
figuring out whether to go with NOR or NAND. NOR would be easy to
integrate, NAND would be cheap but a little more finicky to program.

YKhan wrote:

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking
about, integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive.

Yeah, I read the article. I was commenting on your subject line.

Not convinced for most desktop systems tho, even on the motherboard.

Could be useful in laptops.

Also they're figuring out whether to go with NOR or NAND.
NOR would be easy to integrate, NAND would be cheap
but a little more finicky to program.

Bitstring , from the wonderful person
Rod Speed said
YKhan wrote:

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking
about, integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive.

Yeah, I read the article. I was commenting on your subject line.

Not convinced for most desktop systems tho, even on the motherboard.

Could be useful in laptops.

It would allow an even deeper level of coma than 'Hibernation' I guess
... you could turn the power off or pull the wall plug and still resume
where you left off. If the speed was right (which could be arranged)
then maybe you could use it as some place to store %bloatwaredir% and
get even cold boots going PDQ.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote
Bitstring , wrote
Rod Speed said
YKhan wrote:

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking
about, integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive.

Yeah, I read the article. I was commenting on your subject line.

Not convinced for most desktop systems tho, even on the motherboard.

Could be useful in laptops.

It would allow an even deeper level of coma than 'Hibernation' I guess

Faster than hibernate anyway.

.. you could turn the power off or pull the wall plug and still resume where
you left off.

And it could choose to leave the hard drive off most of the time.

If the speed was right (which could be arranged) then maybe you could use it
as some place to store %bloatwaredir% and get even cold boots going PDQ.

Yeah, that's what the article is mostly on about.

I just leave desktops on all the time and hibernate the laptop.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:25:50 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can
wrote:

Bitstring , from the wonderful person
Rod Speed said
YKhan wrote:

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking
about, integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive.

Yeah, I read the article. I was commenting on your subject line.

Not convinced for most desktop systems tho, even on the motherboard.

Could be useful in laptops.

It would allow an even deeper level of coma than 'Hibernation' I guess
.. you could turn the power off or pull the wall plug and still resume
where you left off.

You can do that with a five year old peecee and an even older hard drive.
Hibernate doesn't depend on any circuitry maintaining state, it's a boot-time
function that loads the current hiberfil.sys file if it is valid...

GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
It would allow an even deeper level of coma than 'Hibernation' I guess
... you could turn the power off or pull the wall plug and still resume
where you left off. If the speed was right (which could be arranged)
then maybe you could use it as some place to store %bloatwaredir% and
get even cold boots going PDQ.


The problem you'd have with such a dynamically updated hibernate file is
that if you keep writing to the flash drive, it will quickly lose its
entire limited allocation of write cycles. The hard disks and ram have
unlimited write cycles (virtually), flash doesn't.

However, in a laptop environment, with a battery backup already
available, I can see them possibly going into save-to-ram (standby)
mode, followed by a save-from-ram-to-flash mode. You can completely turn
off the hard disk when power is lost, and make all updates only to the
flash disk, which would then proceed to update the disk when power is
restored. Very much like a journalled filesystem.

Yousuf Khan

Wouldn't it raise the cost of a Motherboard considerably?

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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YKhan wrote:

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking
about, integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive.

Yeah, I read the article. I was commenting on your subject line.

Not convinced for most desktop systems tho, even on the motherboard.

Could be useful in laptops.

Also they're figuring out whether to go with NOR or NAND.
NOR would be easy to integrate, NAND would be cheap
but a little more finicky to program.

dawg don't wrote

Wouldn't it raise the cost of a Motherboard considerably?

Not really.

Rod Speed wrote
YKhan wrote

Well, actually, that's one of the things they were talking
about, integrated flash on the motherboard vs. in the drive.

Yeah, I read the article. I was commenting on your subject line.

Not convinced for most desktop systems tho, even on the motherboard.

Could be useful in laptops.

Also they're figuring out whether to go with NOR or NAND.
NOR would be easy to integrate, NAND would be cheap
but a little more finicky to program.