M$oft didn't choose either nVidia nor ATI for X-Box

"Lenny" wrote in message
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Anyway, what does sales matter? Get the system with the games you like,
why
do you care which system SELLS the most? Do you buy cars too simply
because
one model sells more than the others?

Simply? No, but that's a major factor. You will usually get better deals,
better service, better choice of dealers, better choice of servicers, better
resale market, better choice of accessories that fit (stereo speakers,
tires, etc.), better availability of replacement parts, etc. In addition, a
large sales volume is also a hint that the product is good.

Haha, you fanboys are so amusing.

Your entire position seems to be nothing more than "anti-fanboy", which is
also pretty weak.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:39:23 GMT, "zlo" wrote:

yeah you are right.. Xbox2 sales are pretty weak right now. however, the
xbox is doing great, and much better than the gamecube is doing. it is also
catching up to PS2 now, because we all know that the xbox is more future
proof than the other two,

Nope.

Your Xbox (1) games are highly unlikely to run on Xbox2 given the
changes in the processor and video/audio chip-set in Xbox2 to totally
different architectures and manufacturers. Let's see Ati/SIS emulate
the Nvidia A/V processor. Ha, ha, ha, ha ............Halo should run
at 2 frames/second. However, M$$$ with $40billion in the bank
might offer FREE replacement of all your Xbox1 titles with Xbox2
versions when Xbox2 comes out...... yeah, right !!

John Lewis


and the gamecube/ps2 technology is just old and
weak. people are getting tired of them now, and it is showing in increased
xbox sales. it will only continue upward until the xbox2 is released.

Your Xbox (1) games are highly unlikely to run on Xbox2 given the
changes in the processor and video/audio chip-set in Xbox2 to totally
different architectures and manufacturers.

Since the system is no where NEAR production yet, all you're spouting is
speculation.

Let's see Ati/SIS emulate
the Nvidia A/V processor.

Well, fans on their own time got Nvidia processors to emulate 3dfx cards -
so it is definitely possible.

Let's see Ati/SIS emulate
the Nvidia A/V processor.

With video it will be a bit tricky since programmers are allowed direct
access to the hardware, but it can probably be done if the XB2 is fast
enough and emulator programmers are clever. Sound however is probably
controlled exclusively through the DX API, and thus easy to handle. We get
sound - usually anyway LOL - out of literally a hundred different sound
configs in todays' PCs after all.

One has to remember that M$ hasn't said XB2 will be compatible with the
previous version. Also, it's not really in their interest to have the two
compatible, they want people to buy XB2 software for their XB2 units. If
customers want to play old games, they should keep their old XBs and play on
those instead.

"TheHasselhoff" wrote in message
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And you got concrete numbers backing that up of course, right?

Um... it's pretty common knowledge that Xbox is the clear winner of the #2
console position. It has been for over 6 months. I recommend checking
out
just about ANY console gaming website, you'll get your numbers there.


Anyway, what does sales matter? Get the system with the games you like,
why
do you care which system SELLS the most?

Because people don't want to buy a system that doesn't have longevity.
Why
spend all that money on a console that won't have any new games made in
six
months? Its why the Dreamcast was commanding a $100 price tag - right up
until the moment Sega announced support was ending.


Do you buy cars too simply because
one model sells more than the others?

Well, that's a really bad analogy - but, then again, I would think that
replacement parts for a well-selling car would be cheaper than others.
(Yes, this has nothing to do with consoles, but like I said - your analogy
is really bad.)

Yes it is a bad analogy due to a well selling car most likely will have a
higher resell price where a game console is worth nothing the day you buy
it. As for as parts being cheaper... no.. the car manufacturers make all
their money on parts.



Haha, you fanboys are so amusing. Catching up to PS2? When do you expect
XB
to catch up, really? Sometime before 2006, or after? Sony only has a
30+
million unit head-start after all.

MS won't catch up to the PS2 - but the next generation of consoles (Xbox2,
PS3) will be a different story. While I think Sony will still have an
edge,
MS will be much closer in that battle.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:39:23 GMT, "zlo" wrote:

yeah you are right.. Xbox2 sales are pretty weak right now. however, the
xbox is doing great, and much better than the gamecube is doing. it is also
catching up to PS2 now, because we all know that the xbox is more future
proof than the other two, and the gamecube/ps2 technology is just old and
weak. people are getting tired of them now, and it is showing in increased
xbox sales. it will only continue upward until the xbox2 is released.

Smartass!! okay ya got me. But no, PS2 sales are STILL much
higher than XBOX sales. Other than the bouncing tities games on the
XBOX - there isn't any "AWSOME" games on the Xbox that really makes
people drool. The Xbox cost a lot more money to make as well, so M$
takes a bigger hit per unit than SONY.

As of today, M$ has not made a profit with the XBOX.

Xbox is OLD too... its nothing compared to a modern DX9 card.

Future proof? Xbox2 is not going to be compatible with XBOX1. PS3 is
supposed to be backwards compatible with PS2 & PS1.

The only TRUE future proof system is called the PC. You can play DOOM
on todays computers without a problem.


--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:39:42 -0800, "ec" wrote:

Xbox2 doesn't even exist so how the **** are its "sales weak"? Moron.

Typo **** face.



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When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:19:38 GMT, "TheHasselhoff"
wrote:

Xbox2 sales are still weak, I would never buy one.

Gee, Mr. McFly, I guess you spent all of your money on a new DeLorean or
something?

****, my time machine is a Ferrai... Not some silver calculator
looking POS.

You posted to another person:
And you got concrete numbers backing that up of course, right?

Um... it's pretty common knowledge that Xbox is the clear winner of the #2
console position. It has been for over 6 months. I recommend checking out
just about ANY console gaming website, you'll get your numbers there.

In Europe for the past month or so, GameCube sales were higher than
XBox... but it was also $100. A friend of mine is buying a GC for
his son.

#2 doesn't mean anything if its a Waaaaaaaaaay back there. XB & GC
are pretty much neck and neck, Xbox has its edge. Both are still
being dusted by PS2.

Sony is still making money of the original PSOne... go figure.

I'm surprised that SONY hasn't made the PS2 half its current size by
now, more cost cutting and more modern look.


--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:19:38 GMT, "TheHasselhoff"
wrote:

Xbox2 sales are still weak, I would never buy one.

Gee, Mr. McFly, I guess you spent all of your money on a new DeLorean or
something?

Crap... I forgot to add on my last post to you:

Xbox sales in the USA are good, Europe = weaker, Japan - almost dead.



--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!

"jeffc" brightened my day with his incisive wit
when in he conjectured that:


"Lenny" wrote in message
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Anyway, what does sales matter? Get the system with the games you
like,
why
do you care which system SELLS the most? Do you buy cars too simply
because
one model sells more than the others?

Simply? No, but that's a major factor. You will usually get better
deals, better service, better choice of dealers, better choice of
servicers, better resale market, better choice of accessories that fit
(stereo speakers, tires, etc.), better availability of replacement
parts, etc. In addition, a large sales volume is also a hint that the
product is good.



And so what? The Xbox is #2 selling. This means that the PS2 install base
is increasing over that of the XBOX.