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High-tech vs. cheap-tech
The 15,000 laid off is old news, happened about a year or two ago. Now,
it is doing rather well. Yousuf Khan |
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On 10 Apr 2006 12:33:08 -0700, "bbbl67" wrote:
The 15,000 laid off is old news, happened about a year or two ago. Now, it is doing rather well. The lay-offs were only announced after Mark Hurd took over as CEO last summer, and they were expected to take 18 months. HP is only about halfway through this round of layoffs. As for "doing rather well", they are at least making money, though not anything to get too excited about. For the last quarter of both companies, Dell's net earnings were $1.012 billion on revenue of $15.2B. HP's earnings were $1.2B on revenue of $22.7B, so Dell's profit margin is actually better than HPs. Doing a comparison by product lines is a bit trickier because Dell doesn't seem to be reporting earnings by product like HP does. However it is clear that HP's largest money-maker is their Imagine and Printing group, with $973M in profit. The Personal Systems Group (desktop and laptop computers) only had $293M in profit while Enterprise Servers and Storage managed $326M in profit. Note: these numbers may not necessarily reflect the $1.2B total profit above due to differences in accounting. Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca |
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Tony Hill wrote:
Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. Yousuf Khan |
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"bbbl67" wrote in message oups.com... The 15,000 laid off is old news, happened about a year or two ago. Now, it is doing rather well. Yousuf Khan That would be incorrect Youssuf. I know several HP engineers that won't get the can until November. They have only laid off about 5000 of the 15000. There will be 5000 this summer and 5000 again in the late fall/winter. Trust me, things are just now starting to hurt for them. They are not doing rather well at all. They are downsizing products and the brains that build them. They are turning into Packard Bell. In fact, their new name should be Hewlett Packard Bell. I can't believe you think they are doing well. They are not! There cash flow is very small comparatively and paying millions to worthless execs that lost them big money didn't help. |
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message oups.com... Tony Hill wrote: Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. Yousuf Khan I'm telling you now, wait until the 1st quarter next year. HP is a bad, bad, stock. |
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On 11 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700, "Yousuf Khan"
wrote: Tony Hill wrote: Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. It's not just the last quarter, HP's stock has gone up pretty consistently since February of last year when they gave Carly the boot! Product mixes might have something to do with it, but I think a lot more of this stems from corporate restructuring. ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca |
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:47:13 -0400, Tony Hill
wrote: On 11 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700, "Yousuf Khan" wrote: Tony Hill wrote: Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. It's not just the last quarter, HP's stock has gone up pretty consistently since February of last year when they gave Carly the boot! Product mixes might have something to do with it, but I think a lot more of this stems from corporate restructuring. Talking of err, Carleton... I see she just got appointed to TSMC BoD. I still can't figure how that stuff works... bounce from one corporate disaster site to another for 20 years or so and you end up with offers of plum sinecures. Tell me it's err, the Lizard people.... please.:-) -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:30:52 -0400, George Macdonald wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:47:13 -0400, Tony Hill wrote: On 11 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700, "Yousuf Khan" wrote: Tony Hill wrote: Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. It's not just the last quarter, HP's stock has gone up pretty consistently since February of last year when they gave Carly the boot! Product mixes might have something to do with it, but I think a lot more of this stems from corporate restructuring. Talking of err, Carleton... I see she just got appointed to TSMC BoD. I still can't figure how that stuff works... bounce from one corporate disaster site to another for 20 years or so and you end up with offers of plum sinecures. Tell me it's err, the Lizard people.... please.:-) Hell, we've still got our lizards. These same folks were just telling us how well our customers are doing (up 40% here, 35% there) and I turned to a former boss and said, yeah and we get 0%. ...or less. Me bitter? Not a chance. I'm over the hump. -- Keith |
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"Keith" wrote in message news On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:30:52 -0400, George Macdonald wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:47:13 -0400, Tony Hill wrote: On 11 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700, "Yousuf Khan" wrote: Tony Hill wrote: Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. It's not just the last quarter, HP's stock has gone up pretty consistently since February of last year when they gave Carly the boot! Product mixes might have something to do with it, but I think a lot more of this stems from corporate restructuring. Talking of err, Carleton... I see she just got appointed to TSMC BoD. I still can't figure how that stuff works... bounce from one corporate disaster site to another for 20 years or so and you end up with offers of plum sinecures. Tell me it's err, the Lizard people.... please.:-) Hell, we've still got our lizards. These same folks were just telling us how well our customers are doing (up 40% here, 35% there) and I turned to a former boss and said, yeah and we get 0%. ...or less. Me bitter? Not a chance. I'm over the hump. -- Keith They must have been paying you enough. You didn't quit. del |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:26:04 -0500, Del Cecchi wrote:
"Keith" wrote in message news On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:30:52 -0400, George Macdonald wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:47:13 -0400, Tony Hill wrote: On 11 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700, "Yousuf Khan" wrote: Tony Hill wrote: Anyway, the point being that it's tough to say that HP is doing rather well while Dell is in bad shape. Any anal...yst doing so is probably just trying to pump up whatever stock they need pumping at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily an analyst trying to pump a specific stock, as much as it is just coming up with a hypothesis behind some stock price directions recently. During the past couple of quarters, HP has rocketed after their earnings reports, while during the same period Dell has plummetted. Investors are reacting to something that's relatively different between them, and I think it's probably the product mixes. Other than product mixes, their numbers aren't too far off of each other. It's not just the last quarter, HP's stock has gone up pretty consistently since February of last year when they gave Carly the boot! Product mixes might have something to do with it, but I think a lot more of this stems from corporate restructuring. Talking of err, Carleton... I see she just got appointed to TSMC BoD. I still can't figure how that stuff works... bounce from one corporate disaster site to another for 20 years or so and you end up with offers of plum sinecures. Tell me it's err, the Lizard people.... please.:-) Hell, we've still got our lizards. These same folks were just telling us how well our customers are doing (up 40% here, 35% there) and I turned to a former boss and said, yeah and we get 0%. ...or less. Me bitter? Not a chance. I'm over the hump. -- Keith They must have been paying you enough. You didn't quit. Quit? Not until I got what was "promised" me. I would have been *long* gone with the deal the newbs get. Us old *******s have the locked-in bennies. ...as long as the company survives, anyway. -- Keith |
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