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DX10 AGP?
I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is
they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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DX10 AGP?
From my past experience, your concern is quite justified!
I used to have an ATI Rage IIc. Under Win98se this had a great driver with all kinds of oprions and modes. I usually ran 32 bit colour and 1024 x 768. When we upgraded to WinXP, the only resolution available as 800 x 600??? WTF! Went to the ATI website for an updated driver...... "Driver is included with WinXP click here... www.mircosoft.com ...." Gee, thanks for NOTHING! SO I upgraded our video cards.... to nVIDIA! I would not be surprized if ATI pulls a fast one and leaves you standing at the curb on DX10 for AGP. They have done this kind of crap before. The main problem is that there likely wont be a next generation of AGP cards! Everyone seems to be pushing PCI-E, and AGP is phasing out. So in this case ATIs lack of support could translate into you having to buy a new computer! Time will tell, but I would not hold my breath - if past hyjinx are any indication of things to come from ATI! (Who do they think they are? MicroSoft???) On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:08:05 -0800, "boe" wrote: I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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I know nVidia has a low end one coming out around April. However now that
x1900 units are out from ATI in AGP and nVidia actually released a high end AGP unit, I have hopes they will make a high end AGP unit - however it took them about 2 years to get back into the high end AGP market. Hopefully they'll do the same with AGP DX10 much faster this time. "NewMan" wrote in message ... From my past experience, your concern is quite justified! I used to have an ATI Rage IIc. Under Win98se this had a great driver with all kinds of oprions and modes. I usually ran 32 bit colour and 1024 x 768. When we upgraded to WinXP, the only resolution available as 800 x 600??? WTF! Went to the ATI website for an updated driver...... "Driver is included with WinXP click here... www.mircosoft.com ...." Gee, thanks for NOTHING! SO I upgraded our video cards.... to nVIDIA! I would not be surprized if ATI pulls a fast one and leaves you standing at the curb on DX10 for AGP. They have done this kind of crap before. The main problem is that there likely wont be a next generation of AGP cards! Everyone seems to be pushing PCI-E, and AGP is phasing out. So in this case ATIs lack of support could translate into you having to buy a new computer! Time will tell, but I would not hold my breath - if past hyjinx are any indication of things to come from ATI! (Who do they think they are? MicroSoft???) On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:08:05 -0800, "boe" wrote: I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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DX10 AGP?
I do not believe that there are any plans for DX 10 AGP cards.
-- -------- DaveW "boe" wrote in message ... I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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DX10 AGP?
At some point you will have to ditch your AGP system. The DX10 games in
development like Crysis, UT2007, etc. probably won't run smoothly with your current CPU. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." "boe" wrote in message ... I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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DX10 AGP?
I'm not sure about that one but I have yet to see a single DX9 game - FEAR,
WOW, HL2, PREY, etc that even begins to tap the processor - never seen it exceed 25%. The only bottleneck is the video card- I replaced my old one a while back with the x850 and it ran very well, then I borrowed an AGP 1900 and it ran GREAT! I don't want to buy the 1900 in hopes that a DX10 will come out. Not many games really require a lot of processing power. The only time I've seen my processor max is on video conversion. I have fast drives and 2 gigs so the only bottleneck is the video. "First of One" root@localhost wrote in message ... At some point you will have to ditch your AGP system. The DX10 games in development like Crysis, UT2007, etc. probably won't run smoothly with your current CPU. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." "boe" wrote in message ... I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:27:19 -0800, NewMan
wrote: From my past experience, your concern is quite justified! I used to have an ATI Rage IIc. Under Win98se this had a great driver with all kinds of oprions and modes. I usually ran 32 bit colour and 1024 x 768. When we upgraded to WinXP, the only resolution available as 800 x 600??? WTF! Went to the ATI website for an updated driver...... "Driver is included with WinXP click here... www.mircosoft.com ...." Gee, thanks for NOTHING! SO I upgraded our video cards.... to nVIDIA! I would not be surprized if ATI pulls a fast one and leaves you standing at the curb on DX10 for AGP. They have done this kind of crap before. The main problem is that there likely wont be a next generation of AGP cards! Everyone seems to be pushing PCI-E, and AGP is phasing out. So in this case ATIs lack of support could translate into you having to buy a new computer! Time will tell, but I would not hold my breath - if past hyjinx are any indication of things to come from ATI! (Who do they think they are? MicroSoft???) Windows 98SE and Linux will work with an old ISA video card. Not so with W2k and beyond. Microsoft is evil, ATI/AMD is just trying to run a business. I see no reason to upgrade to Vista, or DX10, but I'm certain Microsoft will find a way to force the issue. |
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"Alan Jones" wrote in message ...
Windows 98SE and Linux will work with an old ISA video card. Not so with W2k and beyond. Microsoft is evil, ATI/AMD is just trying to run a business. I see no reason to upgrade to Vista, or DX10, but I'm certain Microsoft will find a way to force the issue. That's an undeserved knock at MS IMO. I've been running the exact same installation of Win2K for nearly 7 years now, it's still nicely supported and I can still run DX games all the way back to DX5 on my AGP system. |
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... "Alan Jones" wrote in message ... Windows 98SE and Linux will work with an old ISA video card. Not so with W2k and beyond. Microsoft is evil, ATI/AMD is just trying to run a business. I see no reason to upgrade to Vista, or DX10, but I'm certain Microsoft will find a way to force the issue. That's an undeserved knock at MS IMO. I've been running the exact same installation of Win2K for nearly 7 years now, it's still nicely supported and I can still run DX games all the way back to DX5 on my AGP system. I'm not a big M$ fan but why anyone would want to pay for an O/S that provides support for something 1% of buyers would use is beyond me. Maybe we should pay for punch card reader support too. |
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DX10 AGP?
Tried Flight Simulator X lately? It'll bring your CPU to its knees at
higher-quality settings. The Unreal Engine games typically are CPU-limited. HL2 when it first came out was CPU-limited as well. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." "boe" wrote in message ... I'm not sure about that one but I have yet to see a single DX9 game - FEAR, WOW, HL2, PREY, etc that even begins to tap the processor - never seen it exceed 25%. The only bottleneck is the video card- I replaced my old one a while back with the x850 and it ran very well, then I borrowed an AGP 1900 and it ran GREAT! I don't want to buy the 1900 in hopes that a DX10 will come out. Not many games really require a lot of processing power. The only time I've seen my processor max is on video conversion. I have fast drives and 2 gigs so the only bottleneck is the video. "First of One" root@localhost wrote in message ... At some point you will have to ditch your AGP system. The DX10 games in development like Crysis, UT2007, etc. probably won't run smoothly with your current CPU. -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." "boe" wrote in message ... I'm stoked that ATI have finally released good AGP video cards - problem is they released them so close to the release of Vista, I'm considering waiting to see if they'll make DX10 AGP cards. Any solid rumors? |
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