All printers stink

measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote:
I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap
printers
when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the the
durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about
forking
over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get
what
you pay for"

?!
Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have much
better things in life than returning printers each week. Life is too
short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the
rinkles out (again).

I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all,
especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past, simple
things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and
send it
through without rinkles or completely jamming.

This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems
with HP
lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said.

We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520;
i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is
almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of
trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog.
Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs.

Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise why
would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their inkjet
printer software? My God you are stupid!

The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once hiccuped
for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for that matter)
has never failed once in the 3 years I have had it. I have a few
HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for over five years or
more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding too many pages through
the manual feed tray but I don't use that feature much so it
hasn't been a major issue.

My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact
opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when it
comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical of
what the average user encounters.
Not really. The average user uses OEM ink.

The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print
heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using
compatible inks
No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not know
the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not tell
you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower quality and
are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld soft pedaled the
poor crap ink in their current issue report they did come to the same
conclusions. I am sure you know much less than they do.

Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it

Right. Just like I said...You do not know.
or how they made it. It is inexpensive
Yes
and it works like OEM ink for my needs.

That is because your needs are minimal.
I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in any
perceptible way.

It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading.
I have saved thousands of dollars

You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not savings.
The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a person that
bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less.
using high quality compatible inks
Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality.
and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the
fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of OEM
cartridges. I have the best of both worlds.
That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business.
Maybe you are associated with them I do not know.
This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling
their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God

if there is one for you and I both do not know.
has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot.

and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being
our village idiot.

I choose not to take your place
You're REALLY good at it.

Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up the
good work!

Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:18 pm, Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
Since I've already been accused of being all over the map, what
the
heck, another bad piece of hardware is wireless routers. I've
tried
nearly a dozen already and not one worked. Linksys was the best
and it
almost worked! And no, I'm not the only one complaining about
them.
HALF (50%) of wireless routers at Frys were open boxes!!! I've
tried
every brand name, so don't ask. Do companies release products half
baked? Jury is in. Yip.
You need to go back to using carrier pigeons.

And so you agree? Pessimist!

I think you can turn a Twinkie into a turd just by paying for it.

Your dinner is served.

Good to see you are maintaining your status as the village idiot.

Based on your post I think you took the cake a long time ago.
Currently you are a runner up to the Jerk but do not get too cocky
since you will never make it.

It is completely logical that you, as our village idiot, are
completely oblivious to the fact that you are the village idiot.

After carefully reading this post I now name you Jerk Junior aka Junior.

Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote:
I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap
printers
when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the
the
durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about
forking
over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get
what
you pay for"

?!
Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have
much
better things in life than returning printers each week. Life
is too
short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the
rinkles out (again).

I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all,
especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past,
simple
things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and
send it
through without rinkles or completely jamming.

This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems
with HP
lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said.

We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520;
i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is
almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of
trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog.
Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs.

Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise
why would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their
inkjet printer software? My God you are stupid!

The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once
hiccuped for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for
that matter) has never failed once in the 3 years I have had
it. I have a few HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for
over five years or more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding
too many pages through the manual feed tray but I don't use that
feature much so it hasn't been a major issue.

My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact
opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when
it comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical
of what the average user encounters.
Not really. The average user uses OEM ink.

The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print
heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using
compatible inks
No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not
know the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not
tell you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower
quality and are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld
soft pedaled the poor crap ink in their current issue report they
did come to the same conclusions. I am sure you know much less
than they do.

Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it

Right. Just like I said...You do not know.
or how they made it. It is inexpensive
Yes
and it works like OEM ink for my needs.

That is because your needs are minimal.
I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in
any perceptible way.

It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading.
I have saved thousands of dollars

You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not
savings. The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a
person that bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less.
using high quality compatible inks
Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality.
and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the
fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of
OEM cartridges. I have the best of both worlds.
That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business.
Maybe you are associated with them I do not know.
This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling
their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God

if there is one for you and I both do not know.
has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot.

and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being
our village idiot.

I choose not to take your place
You're REALLY good at it.

Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up
the good work!

Now Now what is bothering you Junior.

On Jul 10, 1:39 pm, "Burt" wrote:

If Stevepppp's claims are true, I would expect a large number of posts in
this thread supporting them.

Not if these trolls are shills trying desperately to keep the printer
industry standing. Plus I have the return lines in my favor and all
the open boxes reflecting people's total disgust with printers,
scanners, and wireless routers.

Furthermore an extremely minute percent of the printer owners post in
newgroups. And as I said my standards might be higher. Look around and
you'll find people that actually love bending over and taking it up
the rear when it comes to reliability. I've seen the most patient
people when it comes to paper jams and ink mess. I ain't one of them.

I've read almost every post on this NG for nearly five years. The
complaints about printers have not increased.

You need to get out more! .. or read faster .. I started this thread
on July 4, that's almost a week ago. Where ya been? Or just a slow
reader?

I am one of the moderators
on the Nifty-Stuff forum,

Welcome to the ****ty-Stuff forum. I'm the moderator. No trolls
please, we are overbooked.

measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:18 pm, Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
Since I've already been accused of being all over the map, what the
heck, another bad piece of hardware is wireless routers. I've tried
nearly a dozen already and not one worked. Linksys was the best
and it
almost worked! And no, I'm not the only one complaining about them.
HALF (50%) of wireless routers at Frys were open boxes!!! I've tried
every brand name, so don't ask. Do companies release products half
baked? Jury is in. Yip.
You need to go back to using carrier pigeons.

And so you agree? Pessimist!

I think you can turn a Twinkie into a turd just by paying for it.

Your dinner is served.

Good to see you are maintaining your status as the village idiot.

Based on your post I think you took the cake a long time ago. Currently
you are a runner up to the Jerk but do not get too cocky since you will
never make it.

I don't think even you know what is the meaning of the drivel you post.
The village idiot label really suits you.

measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:18 pm, Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
Since I've already been accused of being all over the map, what
the
heck, another bad piece of hardware is wireless routers. I've
tried
nearly a dozen already and not one worked. Linksys was the best
and it
almost worked! And no, I'm not the only one complaining about
them.
HALF (50%) of wireless routers at Frys were open boxes!!! I've
tried
every brand name, so don't ask. Do companies release products half
baked? Jury is in. Yip.
You need to go back to using carrier pigeons.

And so you agree? Pessimist!

I think you can turn a Twinkie into a turd just by paying for it.

Your dinner is served.

Good to see you are maintaining your status as the village idiot.

Based on your post I think you took the cake a long time ago.
Currently you are a runner up to the Jerk but do not get too cocky
since you will never make it.

It is completely logical that you, as our village idiot, are
completely oblivious to the fact that you are the village idiot.

After carefully reading this post I now name you Jerk Junior aka Junior.

I guess this is the best we can expect from our village idiot. Good for
you the bar for your intelligence is set very low.

Burt wrote:
"Michael Johnson" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:11 pm, Michael Johnson wrote:
Pull the wild hair out of your ass. I'm telling the truth and if you
don't believe me then I really don't care.
Love you're way of convincing! You've convinced me! Ease back charley.
HTF am I supposed to convince you with a Usenet post?

My gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets.
Aside from the very occasional minor clog I have never had an inkjet die
on me. I'm sure it will happen one day but so far I can't complain.
You never answered me. How often you use your miracle printers?
The MP780 and iP4000 every day. The N2000 2-3 times a week. The i960 3-4
times a week. The S520 and i9100 are sitting on a shelf but they worked
great when they were hooked up. Of all the printers the i9100 probably
gave us the most hassles but that was limited to head issues and not the
overall printer. Even then the problems weren't that big a deal.

I don't stand in line to return printers so I can't say if what you
claim is true or not. Unreliable printers, inkjet or otherwise,
certainly isn't my experience. I don't think I am blessed by the
printer Gods or get the only few good printers that are sold.
Please list the model number of the best printer you have so I can
scout around to see if others agree. Make sure it is less than 3 years
old and you've used it enough to know it is truly good. TIA.
It is a close race between the HP DesignJet 220E and the Canon N2000. Then
I would say the iP4000 and i960 are next followed up by the MP780. For an
AIO the MP780 has been damn near bullet proof and it gets the most use of
them all.

I've gone through about almost dozen printers lately and none met my
standards and none were as good as some of the previous printers I
owned. What can I say. It's the truth.
That is YOUR truth.
Why was each printer mfg'd by hand and thus different? And what bout
the hundreds of thousands of other people who've returned these
losers?
What about the millions upon millions that haven't?

Going through a dozen printers just makes me think
you can never be satisfied. Either that or you are lying.
Neither, they just suck. Sorry that doesn't sit well with you. Can't
something be bad? Maybe your standards are very shallow.
I'm realistic. I don't expect a printer to scrub my ass while I'm taking
a shower or make a cup of coffee. They print for me and my family just
fine which is EXACTLY what they are supposed to do. I repeat, either you
can never be satisfied or you are lying. My guess is that you complain
about damn near everything.

If Stevepppp's claims are true, I would expect a large number of posts in
this thread supporting them. This printer NG has a very large number of
participants, and not one has chimed in to echo his claim. My experience
with printers is similar to Michael Johnson's. I've owned several HP laser
printers and all have given great service. My most recent one, used daily,
is the 3005. The first one that was delivered had paper feed problems. HP
sent me a new one overnight, and it has worked flawlessly, just as my
previous ones did. I presently use a Canon 1960 that is four and a half
years old. With fairly heavy use I have had to replace the print head once.
My wife's ip5000 is almost two years old. Both use Image Specialist ink
with no problems at all. To answer Measekite's usual rant, I know the
manufacturer of this BRAND of ink, the vendor advertises it as IS ink, and
it is identified as such on the label. And for our other malcontent,
Stevepppp, the only paper feed problem with the ip5000 occurred when a push
pin fell into the feed area. My i960 sometimes prints 25 or thirty prints
per day, and it sometimes sits for two to four weeks without printing a
thing.

I've read almost every post on this NG for nearly five years. The
complaints about printers have not increased. I am one of the moderators
on the Nifty-Stuff forum, a forum dealing primarily with aftermarket inks
and with printer repairs and maintenance. The posts on that forum do not
support Stevepppp's statement either. In addition, his interaction with
people who respond to him is, to say the least, unpleasant and accusative.
The people he has branded as liars happen to be some of the most helpful on
this NG. This approach certainly doesn't boost his credibility. This lack
of civility and his mean response to participants who honestly state their
own experiences puts him in the same class with our local troll.

It doesn't take long for someone like him to let his real self shine
through.

measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
measekite wrote:


Michael Johnson wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:06 am, Michael Johnson wrote:
I just don't see the reason for anyone to complain about cheap
printers
when there are plenty of models they can buy that will give the
the
durability they desire. They just can't be cheapskates about
forking
over the cash to acquire them. Like the old saying goes, "You get
what
you pay for"

?!
Cheap in quality too. Price don't matter. Headaches do. I have
much
better things in life than returning printers each week. Life
is too
short. My gripe is legit. Charge more printer mfgs, and get the
rinkles out (again).

I too admire a lot a things about today's printers, but not all,
especially things that don't work, yet worked ok in the past,
simple
things like ink reliability and can it easily accept paper and
send it
through without rinkles or completely jamming.

This gripe is mainly aimed at inkjets. I had/have no problems
with HP
lasers as well as a few inkjets in the past .. as I said.

We have the following Canon printers: iP4000; MP780; i960; S520;
i9100; and an N2000. They are all working and the newest one is
almost three years old. They have never given us a minute of
trouble except for a very occasion minor head clog.
Due to the poor ink. Mine never clogs.

Hey there Village Idiot, heads clog with OEM ink too. Otherwise
why would Canon have the print head cleaning feature in all their
inkjet printer software? My God you are stupid!

The MP780 does duty in my home office and has never once
hiccuped for any task. The paper feeder (or anything else for
that matter) has never failed once in the 3 years I have had
it. I have a few HP LaseJets too that are working just fine for
over five years or more. The 2100M has a problem with feeding
too many pages through the manual feed tray but I don't use that
feature much so it hasn't been a major issue.

My point is that my PERSONAL experience is pretty much the exact
opposite of yours. I don't see myself as dodging bullets when
it comes to our printers. I think my experience is more typical
of what the average user encounters.
Not really. The average user uses OEM ink.

The average user probably does use OEM ink but then their print
heads clog too. Why is that? I have an iP4000 and i960 using
compatible inks
No you don;t. You use inks that are made by someone you do not
know the name of that is purchased by some reseller who will not
tell you. Your inks are more prone to clog and produce lower
quality and are much less fade resisitant. Even though PCWorld
soft pedaled the poor crap ink in their current issue report they
did come to the same conclusions. I am sure you know much less
than they do.

Hey there Village Idiot, I don't care who made it

Right. Just like I said...You do not know.
or how they made it. It is inexpensive
Yes
and it works like OEM ink for my needs.

That is because your needs are minimal.
I have prints that are years and years old that have not faded in
any perceptible way.

It is just that everyone else can percieve the fading.
I have saved thousands of dollars

You saved nothing. You spend less and get less. That is not
savings. The person that bought a Kia did not save anything over a
person that bought a BMW. They did spend less and got less.
using high quality compatible inks
Compatible is a meaningless term and there is not high quality.
and thanks to people like you (i.e. OEM shills) I can also enjoy the
fact I can buy a decent printer for less than the cost of a set of
OEM cartridges. I have the best of both worlds.
That is what you thing and that keeps the fly by nites in business.
Maybe you are associated with them I do not know.
This is why you are a moron because you condone everyone shoveling
their money into the Canon OEM black hole. God

if there is one for you and I both do not know.
has a plan for us all and yours is being our village idiot.

and I can't remember the last time they clogged. Go back to being
our village idiot.

I choose not to take your place
You're REALLY good at it.

Once again, you have proven why you are the village idiot. Keep up
the good work!

Now Now what is bothering you Junior.

Nothing. The more I call you the village idiot the better it fits you.

On Jul 10, 6:52*pm, Michael Johnson wrote:

Do you ever actually add anything to posts and in life with your time?

wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 1:39 pm, "Burt" wrote:

If Stevepppp's claims are true, I would expect a large number of posts
in
this thread supporting them.

Not if these trolls are shills trying desperately to keep the printer
industry standing.

Measekite's is the only other person who calls everyone a shill for non-oem
inks when they post positive experiences about aftermarket products! Do I
see a pattern emerging???.

Plus I have the return lines in my favor

Unsupported statement.


and all
the open boxes reflecting people's total disgust with printers,
scanners, and wireless routers.

They must have hidden all those open boxes when I've shopped for computer
products.


Furthermore an extremely minute percent of the printer owners post in
newgroups. And as I said my standards might be higher.

Yes, you do sound like a superior human being with your extremely high
standards!


Look around and
you'll find people that actually love bending over and taking it up
the rear when it comes to reliability. I've seen the most patient
people when it comes to paper jams and ink mess. I ain't one of them.

Nor am I. Sorry to report that I've not experienced paper jams or ink mess.
I know that this doesn't fit your premise about printers. Am I the only
person with positive experience with inkjet printers? I don't think so.

I've read almost every post on this NG for nearly five years. The
complaints about printers have not increased.

You need to get out more! .. or read faster .. I started this thread
on July 4, that's almost a week ago. Where ya been?

I need to get out more??? look at the number of posts you've done on this
thread - most of them attacking very reasonable people. I've been here
since the first post but didn't respond until I saw what nonsense you were
spouting and the number of honest people you've called liars, cherry
pickers, etc. You're a real piece of work! Or are you just another fake
name for Measekite. Your responses are remarkably similar.

Or just a slow
reader?

When you have no logical response you attack. Just like Measekite has done
for years.

I am one of the moderators
on the Nifty-Stuff forum,

Welcome to the ****ty-Stuff forum. I'm the moderator.

Too bad this NG doesn't have a moderator. If it did you would be out on
your ass for your rude and argumentative behaviour. Fortunately there is
the killfile on my browser and you've just made the cut.

No trolls please, we are overbooked.

If you mean you and Measekite, we are overbooked by two. --- or are you one
and the same? Both of you exhibit classic troll behaviour. Unsupported
arguments, attacking responders and calling them names, twisting and
distorting the information they post as if you were the sole bearer of TRUTH
and everyone else is a liar, responding with not-so-clever criticism of
people you don't know.