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All printers stink
What's up with printers these days? I've went through every brand and
they are all bad. No not the print quality, just the basic stuff. I had a few nice printers in the mid 90s and ditched them for what I thought would be improved printers. The main problems are the simplest problems, to actually get the printer to feed paper through consistently without jamming. The second issue is also basic: to get ink to flow. This is ridiculous. Printer have two basic functions: to feed paper and put ink on it. That's it! TWO things to do and they can't even do this. This is 2008 hello! People marvel at the speed of technology. I marvel at the digression of technology in many areas. For instance Microwave ovens way back in the 1980s would boil water in 45 seconds flat, even the cheapest micros. Today I have one of the most powerful m ovens and the damn thing takes well over two minutes to accomplish that feat. In 2008 we are still driving gas guzzling cars. This is insane. We drive in is 35MPG cars today. **** in the 1970s there were 35mpg cars!! What's up scientists and r&d people? Too many coffee breaks? |
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On Jul 4, 1:37 pm, wrote:
What's up with printers these days? I've went through every brand and they are all bad. No not the print quality, just the basic stuff. I had a few nice printers in the mid 90s and ditched them for what I thought would be improved printers. The main problems are the simplest problems, to actually get the printer to feed paper through consistently without jamming. The second issue is also basic: to get ink to flow. This is ridiculous. Printer have two basic functions: to feed paper and put ink on it. That's it! TWO things to do and they can't even do this. This is 2008 hello! People marvel at the speed of technology. I marvel at the digression of technology in many areas. For instance Microwave ovens way back in the 1980s would boil water in 45 seconds flat, even the cheapest micros. Today I have one of the most powerful m ovens and the damn thing takes well over two minutes to accomplish that feat. In 2008 we are still driving gas guzzling cars. This is insane. We drive in is 35MPG cars today. **** in the 1970s there were 35mpg cars!! What's up scientists and r&d people? Too many coffee breaks? You're just wrong or you're playing with yourself. First, your statements are too ambiguous to consider seriously. Microwaves of the 80's often were 650 watts output or so. Now they are 1000-1100 or so and the input power is about the same so they are much more efficient. It takes so many BTU's to boil a given amount of water. You can put four cups or two pounds of water in a container and measure the temperature rise in two minutes. Multiply that by 17.35 (guessing here) and you get the wattage output of that oven. It's all very predictable and measurable. A 1000 watt oven boils much faster than 650. Printers are better and faster too. If you don't have the correct paper or know how to take care of things, nothing will work for you. I think that's where you're at. You are 25 years older and not 25 years wiser than you were. Science has passed you by. |
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On Jul 4, 5:05*pm, Al Bundy wrote:
You're just wrong or you're playing with yourself. Do we take the rest of your comments as serious? First, your statements are too ambiguous to consider seriously. Right, don't let facts get in the way. Microwaves of the 80's often were 650 watts output or so. Now they are 1000-1100 or so and the input power is about the same Input power? Your finger? so they are much more efficient. It takes so many BTU's to boil a given amount of water. You can put four cups or two pounds of water in a container and measure the temperature rise in two minutes. Multiply that by 17.35 (guessing here) and you get the wattage output of that oven. It's all very predictable and measurable. A 1000 watt oven boils much faster than 650. Duh! We already know this teacher. And I have contradicted this? Site. Printers are better and faster too. Did I mention anything about speed? Site. Do you ever read posts right? Site. And no the half dozen printers I've tried recently, all different brands jammed and had dried ink, and more. I've used dozens of printers and the best ones were made in the mid to late 1990s. If you don't have the correct paper or know how to take care of things, nothing will work for you. Another duh! I think that's where you're at. You are 25 years older and not 25 years wiser than you were. Science has passed you by. Try again. Better yet, please don't. |
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On Jul 4, 7:34*pm, Michael Johnson wrote:
Get yourself a pencil and notepad if it bothers you that much. What pencil hardness you use? |
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Anyone who claims printers are better made today than 10 years ago is
living in a delusion. There was a reason they cost nearly 10x as much for the same basic technologies back then. They may be faster, and may have somewhat improved output, but they are definitely made less reliable and break down much more often and more easily. Reliability is just not the design consideration. Parts are smaller and thinner, made of lighter and less durable materials. I can't speak for microwave ovens, mine is about 25 years old and works the way it did new, which is to say, adequately. Again, newer models have more features, but also have more parts to fail. Mine has no clock, no touch pressure switches, uses a simple timer with a bell. The company probably is long out of business. It came with a 5 year warranty, and has continued to work without any repair for 5 times that time. I haven't even needed to replace the bulb in it. It gets a lot of use, also. It cost me $44 new and it looks like the day I bought it also. It isn't pretty, it just works. Art If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste, I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog: http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/ Al Bundy wrote: On Jul 4, 1:37 pm, wrote: What's up with printers these days? I've went through every brand and they are all bad. No not the print quality, just the basic stuff. I had a few nice printers in the mid 90s and ditched them for what I thought would be improved printers. The main problems are the simplest problems, to actually get the printer to feed paper through consistently without jamming. The second issue is also basic: to get ink to flow. This is ridiculous. Printer have two basic functions: to feed paper and put ink on it. That's it! TWO things to do and they can't even do this. This is 2008 hello! People marvel at the speed of technology. I marvel at the digression of technology in many areas. For instance Microwave ovens way back in the 1980s would boil water in 45 seconds flat, even the cheapest micros. Today I have one of the most powerful m ovens and the damn thing takes well over two minutes to accomplish that feat. In 2008 we are still driving gas guzzling cars. This is insane. We drive in is 35MPG cars today. **** in the 1970s there were 35mpg cars!! What's up scientists and r&d people? Too many coffee breaks? You're just wrong or you're playing with yourself. First, your statements are too ambiguous to consider seriously. Microwaves of the 80's often were 650 watts output or so. Now they are 1000-1100 or so and the input power is about the same so they are much more efficient. It takes so many BTU's to boil a given amount of water. You can put four cups or two pounds of water in a container and measure the temperature rise in two minutes. Multiply that by 17.35 (guessing here) and you get the wattage output of that oven. It's all very predictable and measurable. A 1000 watt oven boils much faster than 650. Printers are better and faster too. If you don't have the correct paper or know how to take care of things, nothing will work for you. I think that's where you're at. You are 25 years older and not 25 years wiser than you were. Science has passed you by. |
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On Jul 5, 1:41*am, Arthur Entlich wrote:
You started off ok. Yeah, we are a landfill society, but that's just a symptom. The big reason for shotty quality is greed. Luckily we have the option to return these sick puppies. Store shelves are full of returned items and lineups at the return counter is long .. for a reason. Many products are better before than now. Printers are just one. By better I mean more reliable and long lasting and headache free. Scanners are another. Anyone who claims printers are 10 times more expensive 10 years ago is the one living in a delusion. Parts are smaller and thinner, made of lighter and less durable materials.. Bingo! That's just it. Just spit it out, printers suck. No need to flip flop on the issue. The m-wave cost me $44 new and it looks like the day I bought it also. It isn't pretty, it just works. That pretty much sums up the opinion you should have about printers and scanners. |
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Arthur Entlich wrote:
Anyone who claims printers are better made today than 10 years ago is living in a delusion. There was a reason they cost nearly 10x as much for the same basic technologies back then. They may be faster, and may have somewhat improved output, but they are definitely made less reliable and break down much more often and more easily. Reliability is just not the design consideration. Parts are smaller and thinner, made of lighter and less durable materials. When it comes to printers, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know. That being said, I think many people today expect to have their inexpensive printer do duty like an office workhorse. There seem to be lots of heavy duty printers available but one needs to fork over the cash to own them. A case in point is the Canon N2000 printer I own. It has a print head rated at 50,000 pages, has 80 ml color cartridges and a whopping 130 ml black cartridge. It was designed to print all day in an office environment. It was an expensive printer when new but it was built to last. Even the less expensive inkjets we use have been very durable. The Canon iP4000 my wife has used for the past 3 years has been flawless. The same goes for the Mp780, i960 and an old S520. I have an OLD HP Designjet 220E that I use to print large format civil engineering drawings. I think it will outlive me. I don't expect a cheap printer to last forever but the ones I have been using seem to be much more durable than I expected them to be when I bought them. I can't speak for microwave ovens, mine is about 25 years old and works the way it did new, which is to say, adequately. Again, newer models have more features, but also have more parts to fail. Mine has no clock, no touch pressure switches, uses a simple timer with a bell. The company probably is long out of business. It came with a 5 year warranty, and has continued to work without any repair for 5 times that time. I haven't even needed to replace the bulb in it. It gets a lot of use, also. I have a 1990 Sharp microwave convection oven that is still going strong. It just won't die. It has the touch pad and is programmable. The only thing that gave out was the metal rack. I had to spend $30 on a new one but if it lasts as long as the first one I will be pleased. BTW, if you ever get a new microwave make a convection microwave. The speed and quality of the food produced when cooking with heat and microwaves simultaneously is absolutely amazing. Our oven can cook a twelve pound turkey to absolute perfection in a little over an hour. It cost me $44 new and it looks like the day I bought it also. It isn't pretty, it just works. Art If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste, I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog: http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/ Al Bundy wrote: On Jul 4, 1:37 pm, wrote: What's up with printers these days? I've went through every brand and they are all bad. No not the print quality, just the basic stuff. I had a few nice printers in the mid 90s and ditched them for what I thought would be improved printers. The main problems are the simplest problems, to actually get the printer to feed paper through consistently without jamming. The second issue is also basic: to get ink to flow. This is ridiculous. Printer have two basic functions: to feed paper and put ink on it. That's it! TWO things to do and they can't even do this. This is 2008 hello! People marvel at the speed of technology. I marvel at the digression of technology in many areas. For instance Microwave ovens way back in the 1980s would boil water in 45 seconds flat, even the cheapest micros. Today I have one of the most powerful m ovens and the damn thing takes well over two minutes to accomplish that feat. In 2008 we are still driving gas guzzling cars. This is insane. We drive in is 35MPG cars today. **** in the 1970s there were 35mpg cars!! What's up scientists and r&d people? Too many coffee breaks? You're just wrong or you're playing with yourself. First, your statements are too ambiguous to consider seriously. Microwaves of the 80's often were 650 watts output or so. Now they are 1000-1100 or so and the input power is about the same so they are much more efficient. It takes so many BTU's to boil a given amount of water. You can put four cups or two pounds of water in a container and measure the temperature rise in two minutes. Multiply that by 17.35 (guessing here) and you get the wattage output of that oven. It's all very predictable and measurable. A 1000 watt oven boils much faster than 650. Printers are better and faster too. If you don't have the correct paper or know how to take care of things, nothing will work for you. I think that's where you're at. You are 25 years older and not 25 years wiser than you were. Science has passed you by. |
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