Canon Users - Do You Believe????

Does no one bother to read the warranties they get ?

First of all why are you quoting the Australian warranty for Epson and
the Canon warranty... different countries have different rules.

Secondly I read the warranties... and legaslation regarding them.

Lastly and most importantly... nothing of the above quoted warranty
information says that a warranty is void if one uses theird party ink.
I wish they would say that because that would guarantee that Canon USA
would be responcible for providing me free ink for the warranty period.
Now... if the damage to your printer was the direct result of 3rd
party ink.. a moot point in the case of Canons or HPs that permit head
replacement... sure they won't cover the damage... but they would have
to prove the damage wouldn't happen using their consumables. This is
very very tough to do. They can't void the warranty because the power
supply exploded and they discover you are using third party ink. Do
they say if you do something contrary to what the manual says the
warranty is void... but the manual doesn't say only use OEM products,
at best it says for best results use OEM products but that's it.

In the most simple terms I can imagine, in the USA a company can not
require that you use their consumables as a condition of the warranty
unless they provide it for free. Other countries have similar
legislation. So please don't spread misinformation.

LOL, BRING IT ON as the facts are in black and white, for the flamers,
your wick just just got wet and went out, bummer deal eh.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
CHAPTER 50-CONSUMER PRODUCT WARRANTIES
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._15_10_50.html

With Epson, and I know via personal experience, they WILL NOT replace
your print head if you have used any non genuine inks, to do so comes
back to the warranty and what it means, it is meant to say that if you
do use non genuine inks you are in fact modifying their printer and by
doing so you VOID your warranty instantly...

No it won't. Ask them your self..... if they say this get it in
writing and file a complaint with the FTC. This is a hard core
violation of federal law.

So flame away if you are really dum enough to ignore the written
warranty, perhaps English is a second language with some ?

With all due respect.. it seems you are dumb enough to ignore the
law... and nothing you quoted directly said warranty is void if you do
use third party ink. Even if it voided the printer's warranty the
savings on many third party inks is so much that it's cheaper to buy a
new printer after 3 refills than buy the OEM ink.

zakezuke wrote:

LOL, BRING IT ON as the facts are in black and white, for the flamers,
your wick just just got wet and went out, bummer deal eh.



The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
CHAPTER 50-CONSUMER PRODUCT WARRANTIES
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._15_10_50.html



With Epson, and I know via personal experience, they WILL NOT replace
your print head if you have used any non genuine inks, to do so comes
back to the warranty and what it means, it is meant to say that if you
do use non genuine inks you are in fact modifying their printer and by
doing so you VOID your warranty instantly...



No it won't. Ask them your self..... if they say this get it in
writing and file a complaint with the FTC. This is a hard core
violation of federal law.



So flame away if you are really dum enough to ignore the written
warranty, perhaps English is a second language with some ?



With all due respect.. it seems you are dumb enough

YOU SHOULD NOT CALL THIS BRIGHT PERSON DUMB

AFTERALL

to ignore the
law... and nothing you quoted directly said warranty is void if you do
use third party ink. Even if it voided the printer's warranty the
savings on many third party inks is so much

NOT FOR LOW VOLUME USERS. THEY DO NOT NEED THIS PIA. THEY WANT TO
FOCUS ON PHOTOGRAPHY. YOU LIKE PENMENSHIP. TO EACH ITS OWN

that it's cheaper to buy a
new printer after 3 refills than buy the OEM ink.

SAY WHAT EVER YOU WANT. IF THE PRINTER MFG CLAIM THAT THE AFTERMARKET
CRAP RUINED OR CLOGGED THEIR PRINTHEAD THEN THEY DO NOT HAVE TO SERVICE
A WARRANTY.

zakezuke wrote:

Does no one bother to read the warranties they get ?



First of all why are you quoting the Australian warranty for Epson and
the Canon warranty... different countries have different rules.

Secondly I read the warranties... and legaslation regarding them.

Lastly and most importantly... nothing of the above quoted warranty
information says that a warranty is void if one uses theird party ink.
I wish they would say that because that would guarantee that Canon USA
would be responcible for providing me free ink for the warranty period.
Now... if the damage to your printer was the direct result of 3rd
party ink.. a moot point in the case of Canons or HPs that permit head
replacement... sure they won't cover the damage... but they would have
to prove the damage wouldn't happen using their consumables. This is
very very tough to do. They can't void the warranty because the power
supply exploded and they discover you are using third party ink. Do
they say if you do something contrary to what the manual says the
warranty is void... but the manual doesn't say only use OEM products,
at best it says for best results use OEM products but that's it.

In the most simple terms I can imagine, in the USA a company can not
require that you use their consumables as a condition of the warranty
unless they provide it for free. Other countries have similar
legislation. So please don't spread misinformation.

digisol wrote:

LOL, BRING IT ON as the facts are in black and white, for the flamers,
your wick just just got wet and went out, bummer deal eh.


OH YEAH AMEN

The facts are there for all to be read, it's easy to see and is in
English, allbeit some still may have trouble reading it.

With Epson, and I know via personal experience,

OH YEAH ALL THE SMART PEOPLE BELIEVE YOU. BUT YOU ARE DEALING WITH A
RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION HERE SO THERE REALLY IS NOTHING YOU CAN SAY. IF
YOU KEEP THIS UP THEN THEY WILL THREATEN TO KILLFILE YOU.. YOU SHOULD
NOT CARE AND KEEP UP TELLING THE TRUTH.

they WILL NOT replace
your print head if you have used any non genuine inks, to do so comes
back to the warranty and what it means, it is meant to say that if you
do use non genuine inks you are in fact modifying their printer and by
doing so you VOID your warranty instantly,


tough titties there.


BUT THE MILK IS STILL GOOD

Inks are not all the same, and while not an ink expert, some are oil
based some are water based and others may be all sorts of chemical
compounds, thus why Epson can know if your lying about having not
used generic ink, thay are MUCH SMARTER than some of you,

I THINK YOU ARE ALSO

inks are
not just inks, try it on and see.

But it's not like you were not told now were you ? you just simply
never bothered to read the fine print, usually in size 5-6 font
making it usually not read by most people, or did ya toss the
warranty as there were too many big words ?

As for Canon I had the same problem by using Calidad ink refills in a
Canon S-600, they worked for a few tanks then the head started to
block up and it was cheaper to but a brand new Pixma 4000 by over $50
AUD "which I did" of course it uses only genuine ink no matter the
price in all tanks being one of the converted.


CLOG IS A MATTER OF TIME WHEN USING AFTERMARKET INKS

So flame away if you are really dum enough to ignore the written
warranty,

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK

perhaps English is a second language

MAYBE A 3RD

with some ? who cares
? not me as my printer works fine.

CYA and don't go away mad, just go away.


AMEN THERE IS A GOD

Burt wrote:

"digisol" wrote in message
...


And for the Canon users don't feel left out, "read it"



No, digisol, YOU read it. There were only two areas in the entire post that
MIGHT relate to inks. The first is this one:



This warranty shall only apply if the Equipment is used in conjunction
with compatible computers, peripheral equipment and software, as to
which items Canon USA shall have no responsibility.



no mention of ink or consumables at all.

The second area:

(D) USE OF SUPPLIES OR PARTS (OTHER THAN THOSE DISTRIBUTED BY CANON


USA) WHICH CAUSE ABNORMALLY FREOUENT SERVICE CALLS OR SERVICE
PROBLEMS



After using MIS inks for over a year I can catagorically state that they do
not "cause abnormally frequent service calls or service problems."

AND IRAN CLAIMS THEY ARE PEACEFUL AND WILL NTO MAKE NUKES

You will
find similar reports in this NG about Formulabs and Hobbicolor inks.


THEY MAKE CLAIMS BUT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE USING. MIS WILL NOT
DISCLOSE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING. HEY DIGISOL GOTO THE INKSUPPLY WEBSITE
AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THEY ARE DISCLOSING WHAT THEY ARE SELLING. THEY
EVEN SAY THAT THEY PUT DIFFERENT STUFF IN BOTTLES AND DIFFERENT STUFF
AND PREFILLED CARTS BUT THEY WILL NOT SAY.

DIGISOL IT IS LIKE BANGING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL.

Furthermore, there have been several articles which indicate that the
printer companies (at least in the US) can not void the warranty based on
use of aftermarket inks.


AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CASES ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE SO DISCOURAGED THEY
JUST WENT AND BOUGHT A NEW PRINTHEAD OR IN THE CASE OF EPSON THEY BOUGHT
A NEW PRINTER SINCE THAT WAS CHEAPER THAN A REPAIR.



I rest my case, use the cheap ink at your own risk, the companies will
NOT fix em due to cheap non genuine ink,

Does no one bother to read the warranties they get ?


HE IS READING THE TRUTHS OF MEASKITE. DIGISOL APPEARS TO KNOW WHAT HE
IS TALKING ABOUT AND HE EVEN HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF RUINING HIS PRINTER


Do YOU bother to read posts from experienced users of these products?

Are you Measekite's more argumentative, uninformed, biased twin brother?


HERE COMES THE NAME CALLING. THAT IS HOW IT STARTED LAST YEAR.

When it comes to the issue of aftermarket inks, you guys must be from Mars!


MARS DOES NOT HAVE A CHURCH

How can you spout this crap about "cheap" ink and "risk" when so many people
can attest to successful use of some these products over several years.

THERE ARE ABOUT A HALF DOZEN CHURCH GOERS ON THIS NG. MOST OF THE OTHER
PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR A FEW WEEKS CRYING ABOUT THEIR CLOGGED HEADS AND
OTHER PROBLEMS AND THEN THEY GO AND AFTER A WHILE A NEW BATCH COMES.

ONCE IN A WHILE YOU HERE ABOUT A PERSON THAT WAS CONVINCED TO GET
AFTERMARKET RELIGION AND THEN THE COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS LOOKING TO
BUY A NEW PRINTHEAD ON EBAY.

My
only suggestion to anyone who wants to try these products is only use the
products that others have reported using successfully.


CANON, EPSON, AND HP HAVE SOLD MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BRANDED OEM INK. WHY
SHOULD ONE LISTEN TO A FEW (OTHERS) AND DISREGARD SOMETHING THEY CAN VERIFY.

If you are worried about warranty problems, I would suggest that you unpack
your new printer, set aside the OEM carts that came with the printer,
purchase aftermarket products that have been recommended by actual users,
and enjoy printing.

WHAT A JOKE. DIGISOL TELL ME YOU WOULD NEVER CONSIDER DOING THIS. IT
IS ABSURD

If the printer comes up with a problem (paper feed,
electronic failure, etc.) put the OEM carts back into the printer and take
it to the repair facility.

fb wrote:

digisol wrote:

And for the Canon users don't feel left out, "read it"

Canon U.S A Inc ("Canon USA") warrants its Visualizers to be free from
defects in workmanship and materials under normal use and maintenance
conditions for a Period of one (1) year from delivery to the original
purchaser by Canon USA or its authorized dealer. During such warranty
period, defective Equipment which is returned to Canon USA's Factory
Service Center and proven to be defective upon inspection will be
repaired or exchanged for new or comparable rebuilt Equipment.
Warranty replacement shall not extend the warranty period of the
defective Equipment.

When returning Equipment to Canon USA's Factory Service Center
indicated on the limited warranty card, the purchaser must pre-pay
the shipping charges, if any and enclose a bill of sale, copy of
warranty card, or other proof of purchase together with a complete
explanation of the problem. Equipment covered by this limited
warranty will be repaired and returned to the purchaser without
charge. Repairs not under warranty will beat such cost as Canon USA
may from time to time generally establish.

This warranty does not extend to used Equipment or to software. The
purchaser will be solely responsible for obtaining and installing all
required software, programming design or coding, as to all of which
Canon USA shall have no responsibility.

This warranty shall only apply if the Equipment is used in conjunction
with compatible computers, peripheral equipment and software, as to
which items Canon USA shall have no responsibility.

NON-CANON BRAND COMPUTERS, PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE WHICH MAY
BE DISTRIBUTED WITH THE EQUIPMENT ARE SOLD "AS IS', WITHOUT WARRANTY
OF ANY KIND BY CANON USA, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The sole
warranty, if any, with respect to any such non-Canon brand item is
given by the manufacturer or producer thereof. Separate warranties
are given for other Canon brand products, accessories or software
which may be used with the Equipment.

THIS WARRANTY SHALL BE VOID AND OF NO FORCE AND EFFECT WITH RESPECT TO
ANY EQUIPMENT WHICH IS DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF; (A) NEGLECT,
ALTERATION. ELECTRIC CURRENT FLUCTUATION OR ACCIDENT; (B) IMPROPER
USE, INCLUDING FAILURE TO FOLLOW OPERATING, MAINTENANCE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS PRESCRIBED IN CANON USA'S INSTRUCTION
MANUAL; (C) REPAIR BY OTHER THAN SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES QUALIFIED BY
CANON USA AND ACTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH CANON USA'S SERVICE BULLETINS;
(D) USE OF SUPPLIES OR PARTS (OTHER THAN THOSE DISTRIBUTED BY CANON
USA) WHICH CAUSE ABNORMALLY FREOUENT SERVICE CALLS OR SERVICE
PROBLEMS;OR (E) USE OF THE EQUIPMENT WITH NON-COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS,
DEVICES OR SOFTWARE. NOR DOES THIS WARRANTY EXTEND TO ANY EQUIPMENT
ON WHICH THE ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKS OR SERIAL NUMBERS HAVE
BEEN DEFACED, REMOVED OR ALTERED.

THE WARRANTY CONTAINED ABOVE IS IN LIEU OP ALL OTHER WARRANTIES,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY
OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, RELATING TO THE USE OR
PERFORMANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT. NO OTHER EXPRESS WARRANTY OR GUARANTEE
EXCEPT AS MENTIONED ABOVE, GIVEN BY ANY PERSON, FIRM, OR CORPORATION
WITH RESPECT TO THE EQUIPMENT SHALL BIND CANON USA. CANON USA WILL
NOT BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY OR PROPERTY DAMAGE (UNLESS CAUSED
SOLELY BY CANON USA'S NEGLIGENCE), LOSS OF REVENUE OR PROFIT, FAILURE
TO REALIZE SAVINGS OR OTHER BENEFITS, EXPENDITURES FOR SUBSTITUTE
EQUIPMENT OR SERVICES, STORAGE CHARGES, LOSS OR CORRUPTION OF IMAGE
OR DATA, OR OTHER SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
ARISING OUT OF THE USE, MISUSE OR INABILITY TO USE THE EQUIPMENT,
REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH THE CLAIM IS BASED AND EVEN
IF CANON USA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. IN
NO EVENT SHALL CANON USA'S LIABILITY HEREUNDER EXCEED THE SELLING
PRICE OF THE EQUIPMENT TO THE PURCHASER. WITHOUT LIMITING THE
FOREGOING, THE PURCHASER ASSUMES ALL RISK AND LIABILITY FOR LOSS.
DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PERSONS AND PROPERTY OF THE PURCHASER OR OTHERS
ARISING OUT OF USE OR POSSESSION OF ANY EQUIPMENT SOLD BY CANON USA
NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY BY THE NEGLIGENCE OF CANON USA. THIS LIMITED
WARRANTY SHALL NOT EXTEND TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER
OF THE EQUIPMENT AND STATES SUCH PURCHASER'S EXCLUSIVE REMEDY.


I rest my case, use the cheap ink at your own risk, the companies will
NOT fix em due to cheap non genuine ink,
Does no one bother to read the warranties they get ?

Bull****! Maybe you need to learn how to read. Show me where the word
"ink" or "cartridge" appears in the above warranty text.
Frank

DIGISOL KNOWS HOW TO READ AND WRITE. AND IT IS OBVIOUS HE KNOWS HOW TO
THINK.

HEHEHEHE NOPE I GOT IT WRONG IT IS HA HA HA HA

Burt wrote:

"digisol" wrote in message
om...


Read it and weep, In plain English.

http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/bac....asp?fromnav=3

I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"

Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.

You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.

In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.

And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.

Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.

BTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.

My apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.

READ IT if ya can ! Derrr



Digisol - There are a few of us former colonials who have learned to read in
the US. Those who can't simply buy overpriced OEM inks.


BUT THEY MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO THINK

Sorry to see that Epson has attempted to screw

EPSON IS DOING THE RIGHT THING

the folks in OZ for using
aftermarket "consumables", some of which are every bit as good as OEM.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU ARE USING

I'd
invite you to re-read the part where it says that the use of non-Epson
consumables MAY void the warranty. They are hedging - probably because they
wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally if your warranty laws in OZ are
worth the paper they are printed on.

I'd echo Arthur Entlich's response regarding aftermarket inks and
printheads. Granted that some of these


products are junk to be avoided,


AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS BAD AND WHAT IS WORSE

the benefit of participating in this newsgroup and in the


Nifty-stuff forum


THIS IS A GROUP THAT CONSISTS OF AFTERMARKET REFILLERS

is that we share information that we have gained from experience (except for
our resident troll who speaks from personal bias and not from experience.)


DIGISOL SPEAKS FROM EXPERIENCE YET YOU ARE SAYING HE IS WRONG

Several of us have found aftermarket inks that do not harm our printers and
do produce excellent prints.

AND THOUSANDS HAVE HAD CLOGGED PRINTHEADS

We're only too happy to share the knowledge
we've gained in this area.

I don't have a problem with you and others buying and using OEM inks. I'm
curious to know why you use such pejoritive terms in describing the
aftermarket inks as "cheap", implying poor quality,

THAT IS WHAT HE SAID

and those of use who use
them as "tight as a nun's ####."

CHURCH PEOP[LE

You only need to see the prints I've
produced with MIS bulk ink in my Canon i960 to realize that the ink quality
is quite good.

NOT AS GOOD AS CANON INKS. HE WILL ADMIT THAT CANON IS BETTER

In the year that I've used these inks I've refilled the
equivalent of at least 70 bci-6 cartridges with these bulk inks. At
approximately $10 US per cart that would be a cost of about $700.

ONLY IF YOU ARE A VERY HIGH PRINT USER IS IT WORTH THE RISK. FOR MOST
PEOPLE IT IS NOT WORTH THE RISK OR THE MESS OF NEEDLES, DRILLS, INKY
CARPET STAINS ETC

Including
the ink I still have on hand and the extra carts I've purchased, I've spent
about $135 in aftermarket carts and inks. My savings, so far, amount to
about $565 and I still have enough ink left to fill another 24 carts!
That's an additional savings of about $200 from the materials I've already
purchased. Total savings from ink and carts already used plus material on
hand to be used is about $750. You can call me "tight as a nun's ####" if
you wish, but I prefer to consider myself a prudent consumer

DIGISOL DO NOT LET THESE PEOPLE CONVERT YOU

.

BTW - How tight IS a nun's ###? Since you used the phrase, I assume that you
have some personal experience in this area (no pun intended) , just as you
must have to make your authoritative comments about aftermarket inks.


THEY CANNOT STAND THAT ANOTHER PERSON OTHER THEN ME REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE
IS TALKING ABOUT.

fb wrote:

digisol wrote:

Read it and weep, In plain English.
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/bac....asp?fromnav=3

I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"

Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.

You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.

In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.

And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.

Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.

BTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.

My apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.

READ IT if ya can ! Derrr

Too bad you Aussie's let Epson screw you like that. I've take three
Epson printers in for under warranty work all with 3rd party ink
carts. NEVER did they question the brand/label of ink I was using.
Of course I live in the US of A!
Frank

GEE, I WONDER WHY HE HAD TO TAKE THEM INK. CLOG CLOG CLOG

digisol wrote:

Not all are flamers and rude, but it's obvious by some replies that
some are not only rude but just plain stupid and it's about as
obvious as dogs testicals that many don't bother to read the warranty
given to them with their printer.


YOU WILL FIND THAT THE CHURCH MEMBERS ARE RUDE. IF YOU SAY ANYTHING
AGAINST AFTERMARKET INK THEY JUST THROW A TIZZY.

In my Epson case I did use generic ink and told them otherwise , of
course they then tested the print head and refused to honour the
warranty, OK I copped that one on the chin, but for the flamers,
understand that I have no reason to lie, simply just telling you what
some of you blokes are too lazy to read for yourself in the hope you
may not make the same mistake, and also in the meaning of this forum,
to help those that don't know whatever it may be not to abuse and
flame for no reason.


I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE

From what I was told by an Epson tech head in trying to get a new
print head they simply tested the ink left in the print head and knew
what ink was used, forensics on a printer ? unfortunately true as I
did in fact use generic ink and they knew it, how ? got me stuffed.


EPSON USA COULD DO THE SAME THING. THEY COULD TEST THE INK AND THEN IF
THEY WANTED TO REFUSE TO UNCLOG THE HEAD.

Cop this one, I have an old Canon BJC-4000 here that uses fountain pen
ink in the large black tank "beleive it", and it prints so very well
that you would not ever know, but to do that on a new and much finer
nozzle print head would be somewhat stupid to say the least.


I AGREE IT WOULD BE VERY STUPID. BUT THIS WORLD IS MADE UP OF ALL KINDS
OF PEOP[LE.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE DESERT THAT WILL NOT PAY TO HAVE
AIR CONDITIONING IN THEIR CAR BECAUSE IT COST MONEY AND THE CAR GETS
WORSE MILEAGE. DIGISOL THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH HERE.

Now that the first post has been long forgotton, I personally
apologise to you and go elsewhere as the point has been made I should
think, and honestly it's not worth the print or the server time to
carry on.

TTFN