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Epson R1800 ink OEM vs. CIS
I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to
see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). |
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Epson R1800 ink OEM vs. CIS
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:51:22 -0700, westwood wrote:
I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. The liars, cheats, and many of the businessmen who post in this ng who profess the opposite as you are really a bunch of foreflushers. It is nice that bore out the truth and actually test what I have been saying for a long time. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). |
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Epson R1800 ink OEM vs. CIS
measekite wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:51:22 -0700, westwood wrote: I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. The liars, cheats, and many of the businessmen who post in this ng who profess the opposite as you are really a bunch of foreflushers. hehehe...you stupid pile of ignorant ****...you're defending a spammer...you idiot!...LOL! HINT: www.westwoodprinters.com Hahahaha...you're level of stupidity isn't even measurable!...LOL! It is nice that bore out the truth and actually test what I have been saying for a long time. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). |
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"westwood" wrote in message ... I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). I've been using our R1800 for about 4 years now and filling spongeless cartridges with ink from MIS. The colors are very close to OEM and can be adjusted to give me satisfaction. I have had a few head clogs, but that has come from disuse and periods of more than a month not using the machine. Fortunately the head clears after a few head cleanings when I haven't used the printer for awhile. I agree with you that westwoodprinters appears to have a very good price for OEM cartridges for your machine. However, I might suggest you trying the MIS ink in a set of spongeless cartridges. For the amount of printing you do it would clearly save you a small fortune refilling your own and save the landfills from the plastic that is being thrown away. Additionally this company MIS (www.inksupply.com) has a small $10 kit to allow one to refill OEM cartridges and use a chip resetter. I haven't used the kit but it could be worthwhile checking out. -- Jan Alter |
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On Apr 24, 6:51*pm, westwood wrote:
I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. *It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. *All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. *Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. *The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. *I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. *I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). You don't say what CIS system you purchased. Jan Alter's suggestion MIS inks is right on, altho if you do a lot of color printing, look into their CIS systems. I bought one some time ago & have been very happy with it, altho you do need to calibrate and profile your monitor, printer, etc. Don't wast time & mess refilling cartridges. As Jan suggests, go to the MIS Website & select the CIS system that will work for your printer without problems. BTW, I have no official connection with MIS. I'm just relating my positive experience with its products. |
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Epson R1800 ink OEM vs. CIS
On Apr 24, 8:51*pm, westwood wrote:
I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. *It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. *All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. *Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. *The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. *I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. *I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). There are reputable 3rd party ink vendors, like MIS. But no 3rd party ink matches the OEM ink colorwise, maybe close but no matches. The 1800 uses a pigment based ink, most 3rd party vendors don't, or you have no way of knowing what you get, MIS does have pigment based ink. Consequently there is no way of knowing what the life expectancy of the inks may be. None of the inks are scientifically tested for longevity. So you have some compromises to deal with when using 3rd party inks. At best you have to profile your ink/paper combinations to get accurate color with the minimal of wasted paper. My suggestion, especially if you are printing a lot is to get a larger printer with larger ink tanks, like the Epson 3800 or Canon iPF5100. If you are printing brochures maybe a good color laser may be a better choice. Tom |
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Epson R1800 ink OEM vs. CIS
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:24:05 -0700, tmonego wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:51Â*pm, westwood wrote: I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. Â*It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. Â*All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. Â*Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. Â*The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. Â*I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. Â*I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). There are reputable 3rd party ink vendors, like MIS. But no 3rd party ink matches the OEM ink colorwise, maybe close but no matches. The I do not think any of them are reputable for a number of reasons. They do not FULLY disclose of their website EXACTLY what they are selling and they will not disclose who made it, country of origin or even if they changed their source if you previously bought before. If someone wants to accept this and think those things are considered reputable then they are free to do so. 1800 uses a pigment based ink, most 3rd party vendors don't, or you have And many will claim their ink is compatible and will not tell you what they are selling. And then there is the issue of the gloss optimizer. no way of knowing what you get, MIS does have pigment based ink. Consequently there is no way of knowing what the life expectancy of the inks may be. None of the inks are scientifically tested for longevity. The only real brand for this printer is Epson brand. You can get it at various sources and it is a known fixed qualtity where if there was a problem there is a large universe to draw information from. Like when they had the problem with some paper where the combo of ink and paper turned orange a while back. So you have some compromises to deal with when using 3rd party inks. At There are posters and of course businessmen disguised as posters in this ng that will not accept what you are saying. But yes one does have to make compromises just like those who say the Kodak Instamatic or the old Polaroid was the best. It was not a compromise for them since their level of acceptance of quality was low just like here but they either do not know that or want to admit it. best you have to profile your ink/paper combinations to get accurate color with the minimal of wasted paper. My suggestion, especially if you are printing a lot is to get a larger printer with larger ink tanks, like the Epson 3800 or Canon iPF5100. If you are printing brochures maybe a good color laser may be a better choice. Those printers that you mentioned are really good. Tom |
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Epson R1800 ink OEM vs. CIS
I see you are still happily filling the role of the Village Idiot for
this newsgroup. All this worthless ranting you are doing about compatible ink reminds me of your hypocrisy. How is all that compatible photo paper working for you? You rant about quality and the need to use OEM ink and then spray all that wonderful expensive OEM ink ONTO COMPATIBLE PHOTO PAPER!!! You are really putting your money where your mouth is, aren't you? All but the newest of people here know you are an idiot and it only takes about 5 minutes of reading your posts for the rest to know it. measekite wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:24:05 -0700, tmonego wrote: On Apr 24, 8:51 pm, westwood wrote: I've been playing around some CIS systems for my Epson Stylus R1800 to see if I can lower the cost of printing with this amazing printer. The problem is that I print a lot of glossy brochures for our business and the printer uses up so much ink that it's impossible to keep up with it. It uses up a gloss optimizer cartridge for every 30 pages of 8.5 x 11 glossy photo, not to mention the other colors, so this is not the most cost effective way to print brochures. So I decided to get a CIS system from eBay. All I can say is that this was the biggest mistake I made for this printer. Setup was pretty easy, but getting the right tones is a different story. The printer wasn't behaving the way it did with OEM Epson cartridges. I ended up with a clogged up printer head, which cost me about $120 to fix because my printer is out of warranty. I am back to using original inks made by Epson. I found a good place to buy them for much lower than most other places (www.westwoodprinters.com). There are reputable 3rd party ink vendors, like MIS. But no 3rd party ink matches the OEM ink colorwise, maybe close but no matches. The I do not think any of them are reputable for a number of reasons. They do not FULLY disclose of their website EXACTLY what they are selling and they will not disclose who made it, country of origin or even if they changed their source if you previously bought before. If someone wants to accept this and think those things are considered reputable then they are free to do so. 1800 uses a pigment based ink, most 3rd party vendors don't, or you have And many will claim their ink is compatible and will not tell you what they are selling. And then there is the issue of the gloss optimizer. no way of knowing what you get, MIS does have pigment based ink. Consequently there is no way of knowing what the life expectancy of the inks may be. None of the inks are scientifically tested for longevity. The only real brand for this printer is Epson brand. You can get it at various sources and it is a known fixed qualtity where if there was a problem there is a large universe to draw information from. Like when they had the problem with some paper where the combo of ink and paper turned orange a while back. So you have some compromises to deal with when using 3rd party inks. At There are posters and of course businessmen disguised as posters in this ng that will not accept what you are saying. But yes one does have to make compromises just like those who say the Kodak Instamatic or the old Polaroid was the best. It was not a compromise for them since their level of acceptance of quality was low just like here but they either do not know that or want to admit it. best you have to profile your ink/paper combinations to get accurate color with the minimal of wasted paper. My suggestion, especially if you are printing a lot is to get a larger printer with larger ink tanks, like the Epson 3800 or Canon iPF5100. If you are printing brochures maybe a good color laser may be a better choice. Those printers that you mentioned are really good. Tom |
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"Michael Johnson" wrote in message ... I see you are still happily filling the role of the Village Idiot for this newsgroup. All this worthless ranting you are doing about compatible ink reminds me of your hypocrisy. How is all that compatible photo paper working for you? You rant about quality and the need to use OEM ink and then spray all that wonderful expensive OEM ink ONTO COMPATIBLE PHOTO PAPER!!! You are really putting your money where your mouth is, aren't you? All but the newest of people here know you are an idiot and it only takes about 5 minutes of reading your posts for the rest to know it. And many will claim their ink is compatible and will not tell you what they are selling. And then there is the issue of the gloss optimizer. no way of knowing what you get, MIS does have pigment based ink. Consequently there is no way of knowing what the life expectancy of the inks may be. None of the inks are scientifically tested for longevity. The only real brand for this printer is Epson brand. You can get it at various sources and it is a known fixed qualtity where if there was a problem there is a large universe to draw information from. Like when they had the problem with some paper where the combo of ink and paper turned orange a while back. Perhaps to take measkite's ranting at face value we should not be using OEM inks either since Epson has not disclosed what's in it. Heck, it might even be the same materials in the same mixture as the third party inks we've been using. It's been about two years now since I dropped measkite's postings from view. Reading this NG has been a lot more rewarding since that decision. -- Jan Alter |
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On Apr 27, 9:31*am, measekite wrote:
I do not think any of them are reputable for a number of reasons. *They do not FULLY disclose of their website EXACTLY what they are selling and they will not disclose who made it, country of origin or even if they changed their source if you previously bought before. * Measkete is being a liar again. There are a number of aftermarket pigment ink solutions from websites that FULLY disclose what they are selling. http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm Oddly enough Epson like all other OEMs does not disclose ink manufacture, only country of origin. What he describes "might" be an issue for some retailers, but in practice it doesn't really happen. It helps to get feedback on these companies before you buy from them. As someone else pointed out, if you are doing commercial level production, you shouldn't invest in a desktop printer. HP business jet, Canon imageprograf, or an Epson wide 3800 or above are really what you are after if you're going to go for OEM ink. Mediastreet has been Wilhelm tested. I'm 99% certain Mediastreet is just rebranded Image Specialist ink but offer a paper profiling service. |
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