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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
I don't really buy his arguments, but I'm posting it anyways.
AMD's K10 Is delayed or dead http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27421 Yousuf Khan |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
On 3 Nov 2005 20:41:56 -0800, "YKhan" wrote:
I don't really buy his arguments, but I'm posting it anyways. AMD's K10 Is delayed or dead http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27421 I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but AMD sure hasn't said much about any future generation cores. All they are talking about publicly are tweaks to the existing K8 core. I'm not sure that AMD is necessarily in desperate need of a new core just yet, but if they want to keep the advantage they have now they are definitely going to have to continue pushing forward. With the way things are going it seems that Intel could easily catch up with AMD by sometime in 2007 if all AMD is planning on doing is tweaking their existing core. ------------- Tony Hill hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
Tony Hill wrote:
I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but AMD sure hasn't said much about any future generation cores. All they are talking about publicly are tweaks to the existing K8 core. I'm not sure that AMD is necessarily in desperate need of a new core just yet, but if they want to keep the advantage they have now they are definitely going to have to continue pushing forward. With the way things are going it seems that Intel could easily catch up with AMD by sometime in 2007 if all AMD is planning on doing is tweaking their existing core. My feelings too, but I'm not sure a new core is all that important to them. It seems all of their performance improvements were as a result of stuff that hangs off of the core, but isn't really a part of the core, like HTT and memory controller; making further improvements on those seems to be the path of greater return. They can probably make even lower power AMD64's by adding circuitry into the existing core like Intel did with the Pentium 3 to come up with the Pentium M, which would be the intelligent power management stuff. Yousuf Khan |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
YKhan wrote: Tony Hill wrote: I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but AMD sure hasn't said much about any future generation cores. All they are talking about publicly are tweaks to the existing K8 core. I'm not sure that AMD is necessarily in desperate need of a new core just yet, but if they want to keep the advantage they have now they are definitely going to have to continue pushing forward. With the way things are going it seems that Intel could easily catch up with AMD by sometime in 2007 if all AMD is planning on doing is tweaking their existing core. My feelings too, but I'm not sure a new core is all that important to them. It seems all of their performance improvements were as a result of stuff that hangs off of the core, but isn't really a part of the core, like HTT and memory controller; making further improvements on those seems to be the path of greater return. The K8 had several improvements that were not related to their memory controller or HT that were significant. Certainly, the most noticeable changes were those two, but they also did some interesting stuff with distributing and slightly enlarging instruction queues. I think that depends if you are talking about MP performance or single socket performance. I don't see a big advantage in the case of single socket systems. In fact, I think AMD will be at a slight disadvantage when they are still using shared interface systems and Intel is using shared cache (again, for the 1 socket scenario, unsure about MP). They can probably make even lower power AMD64's by adding circuitry into the existing core like Intel did with the Pentium 3 to come up with the Pentium M, which would be the intelligent power management stuff. I think you are trivializing what Intel did with the Pentium M. The Pentium M is a radically different chip from the P6 or Pentium 3. Sure, there was some different circuit design stuff done, but there was also quite a bit more. Intel has been steadily improving their decoders, so that some operations which used to be complex are now simple, etc. etc. If you want to get a grasp on the differences between the P!!! and the PM, check out: ftp://download.intel.com/technology/...iss2_art03.pdf I'm assuming you are familiar enough with the P!!! uarch to make the implicit comparisons... David |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
Tony Hill wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 20:41:56 -0800, "YKhan" wrote: I don't really buy his arguments, but I'm posting it anyways. AMD's K10 Is delayed or dead http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27421 I'm not sure whether it's true or not, but AMD sure hasn't said much about any future generation cores. All they are talking about publicly are tweaks to the existing K8 core. I'm not sure that AMD is necessarily in desperate need of a new core just yet, but if they want to keep the advantage they have now they are definitely going to have to continue pushing forward. With the way things are going it seems that Intel could easily catch up with AMD by sometime in 2007 if all AMD is planning on doing is tweaking their existing core. Paxville's abject failure and Intel's recent cancellations have taken a lot of pressure off of AMD. Since AMD now knows that they have a little more time to tweak and debug, perhaps that is all they are doing: using the available time for exactly that. |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
Rob Stow wrote:
Paxville's abject failure and Intel's recent cancellations have taken a lot of pressure off of AMD. Since AMD now knows that they have a little more time to tweak and debug, perhaps that is all they are doing: using the available time for exactly that. Or as Sander Sassen, at Hardwareanalysis, puts it: "Cedar Mill, Intel's 65-nm Pentium 4, will finally put the Pentium 4 on par with AMD's Athlon 64 in terms of performance, power-consumption and heat-production...." :-) "Intel's new 65-nm processors" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820/ "AMD’s new sockets and DDR2 support" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820.2/ Me thinks there's a just a wee bit of an Intel bias in that boy's articles. Yousuf Khan |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
Yousuf Khan wrote:
Rob Stow wrote: Paxville's abject failure and Intel's recent cancellations have taken a lot of pressure off of AMD. Since AMD now knows that they have a little more time to tweak and debug, perhaps that is all they are doing: using the available time for exactly that. Or as Sander Sassen, at Hardwareanalysis, puts it: "Cedar Mill, Intel's 65-nm Pentium 4, will finally put the Pentium 4 on par with AMD's Athlon 64 in terms of performance, power-consumption and heat-production...." :-) "Intel's new 65-nm processors" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820/ "AMD’s new sockets and DDR2 support" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820.2/ Me thinks there's a just a wee bit of an Intel bias in that boy's articles. All he has to work with are Intel and AMD press releases, so what I was seeing in those articles is exactly what those two companies have been saying - nothing more and nothing less. |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:39:27 -0600, Rob Stow wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote: Rob Stow wrote: Paxville's abject failure and Intel's recent cancellations have taken a lot of pressure off of AMD. Since AMD now knows that they have a little more time to tweak and debug, perhaps that is all they are doing: using the available time for exactly that. Or as Sander Sassen, at Hardwareanalysis, puts it: "Cedar Mill, Intel's 65-nm Pentium 4, will finally put the Pentium 4 on par with AMD's Athlon 64 in terms of performance, power-consumption and heat-production...." :-) "Intel's new 65-nm processors" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820/ "AMD’s new sockets and DDR2 support" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820.2/ Me thinks there's a just a wee bit of an Intel bias in that boy's articles. All he has to work with are Intel and AMD press releases, so what I was seeing in those articles is exactly what those two companies have been saying - nothing more and nothing less. Don't you think though that it is also typical of a mindset which has not grasped just how far ahead AMD is right now? We see it all the time here. -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
George Macdonald wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:39:27 -0600, Rob Stow wrote: Yousuf Khan wrote: Rob Stow wrote: Paxville's abject failure and Intel's recent cancellations have taken a lot of pressure off of AMD. Since AMD now knows that they have a little more time to tweak and debug, perhaps that is all they are doing: using the available time for exactly that. Or as Sander Sassen, at Hardwareanalysis, puts it: "Cedar Mill, Intel's 65-nm Pentium 4, will finally put the Pentium 4 on par with AMD's Athlon 64 in terms of performance, power-consumption and heat-production...." :-) "Intel's new 65-nm processors" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820/ "AMD’s new sockets and DDR2 support" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820.2/ Me thinks there's a just a wee bit of an Intel bias in that boy's articles. All he has to work with are Intel and AMD press releases, so what I was seeing in those articles is exactly what those two companies have been saying - nothing more and nothing less. Don't you think though that it is also typical of a mindset which has not grasped just how far ahead AMD is right now? We see it all the time here. You are missing the point: Sassen said *nothing* to indicate *his* mindset. One of his two articles regurgitated AMD's press releases and the other regurgitated Intel's. Period. Full stop. In those two articles the content/opinions from Sassen=NIL. |
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AMD cancels next-gen K10 cancelled?
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:39:27 -0600, Rob Stow
wrote: Yousuf Khan wrote: Rob Stow wrote: Paxville's abject failure and Intel's recent cancellations have taken a lot of pressure off of AMD. Since AMD now knows that they have a little more time to tweak and debug, perhaps that is all they are doing: using the available time for exactly that. Or as Sander Sassen, at Hardwareanalysis, puts it: "Cedar Mill, Intel's 65-nm Pentium 4, will finally put the Pentium 4 on par with AMD's Athlon 64 in terms of performance, power-consumption and heat-production...." :-) "Intel's new 65-nm processors" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820/ "AMD’s new sockets and DDR2 support" http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1820.2/ Me thinks there's a just a wee bit of an Intel bias in that boy's articles. All he has to work with are Intel and AMD press releases, so what I was seeing in those articles is exactly what those two companies have been saying - nothing more and nothing less. Intel press releases were always more marketing-geared and, let's put it this way, overly optimistic. According to some past Intel press releases and road maps, NetBust was supposed to surpass 4GHz by this time. "Past performance is not a guarantee of future results" NNN |
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