GT520 and 1920x1080

HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at
1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television.

However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD
but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for
1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel
spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree.

Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and
l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on.

Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at
1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!!


Thanks

Steve

Steve wrote:
HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at
1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television.

However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD
but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for
1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel
spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree.

Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and
l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on.

Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at
1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!!


Thanks

Steve

Are you absolutely sure the Sammy has 1920x1080 resolution ?
Or does it resample, converting 1920x1080 to a smaller resolutinn
it happens to have in its panel ?

What is happening is, the computer and GT520, are using
the information coming from the monitor, to set the
max resolution. There is a serial communications path, that
allows the computer to "pull" the EDID table from the monitor.

computer ----- "What resolution do you support?" --- TV ---+
|
---- "1680 is my max resolution, but hey, --------+
I could be lying..."

To review what the monitor has in terms of configuration
information, use Moninfo from Entechtaiwan. I have a copy
installed on my machine here. Use the "real time entry"
when running the program, so the EDID is pulled in real time
while you're sitting there. And allows you to review
what the currently connected monitor is saying, in terms
of what it supports.

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

In the past, the NVidia control panel had some means of
entering custom resolutions. I think I've managed to make
a monitor go "black screen", by pushing the resolution
past what it supported. So you'd want to do this
while the 40" Sammy was being used as a second monitor.

computer --------- monitor used while fooling around
--------- sammy, on the second video output port

Entechtaiwan also offers PowerStrip for entering
custom resolution settings. It is available for
evaluation for 30 days, as far as I can remember.
And is useful on display devices that don't have
EDID or a serial bus, and need to be programmed
by hand. Again, a nice Windows program, and sets
things in the same way that Linux "modeline" settings
work (front porch, back porch, screen width,
all that jazz).

# Example Modeline via "cvt" (I use this in a virtual machine)
# Frequency, four params for horizontal, four params for vertical

Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867 871 892 -hsync +vsync

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline

So if you've never evaluated this software before,
give this a try for 30 days, and see if the monitor
actually supports a better setting. Rather than
crafting a modeline, the program has GUI controls
for some things (so you can center the display).

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm

In the dim and distant past, there were TV
sets that supported say 1920x1080, then the
idiots at the TV manufacturer set the "PC Interface"
EDID information to say 1440x900. In other words,
*always* forcing resampling on the way to the
panel. Modern TVs support 1:1 pixel mapping,
so if you bought and paid for a 1920 resolution,
the PC port gives access to that 1920 as the
max resolution setting. Let's hope you have
one of those TV sets, and not one of the
sets that has the brain dead setup. Nothing
worse than being forced to resample text pixels
all the time, and seeing blurry fonts.

If you need further help, post either the complete
model number of the Sammy, or post the URL that
points to the user manual for it. You can usually
get a PDF version of the user manual from the
TV manufacturer site. It might actually show in
a table, that it is "forcing" the PC port to
resample. For no good reason.

Good luck,
Paul

Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post.

I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back.

For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK

Thanks once again - a top class reply

Cheers

Steve

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:21:52 -0400, Paul wrote:

Steve wrote:
HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at
1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television.

However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD
but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for
1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel
spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree.

Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and
l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on.

Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at
1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!!


Thanks

Steve

Are you absolutely sure the Sammy has 1920x1080 resolution ?
Or does it resample, converting 1920x1080 to a smaller resolutinn
it happens to have in its panel ?

What is happening is, the computer and GT520, are using
the information coming from the monitor, to set the
max resolution. There is a serial communications path, that
allows the computer to "pull" the EDID table from the monitor.

computer ----- "What resolution do you support?" --- TV ---+
|
---- "1680 is my max resolution, but hey, --------+
I could be lying..."

To review what the monitor has in terms of configuration
information, use Moninfo from Entechtaiwan. I have a copy
installed on my machine here. Use the "real time entry"
when running the program, so the EDID is pulled in real time
while you're sitting there. And allows you to review
what the currently connected monitor is saying, in terms
of what it supports.

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

In the past, the NVidia control panel had some means of
entering custom resolutions. I think I've managed to make
a monitor go "black screen", by pushing the resolution
past what it supported. So you'd want to do this
while the 40" Sammy was being used as a second monitor.

computer --------- monitor used while fooling around
--------- sammy, on the second video output port

Entechtaiwan also offers PowerStrip for entering
custom resolution settings. It is available for
evaluation for 30 days, as far as I can remember.
And is useful on display devices that don't have
EDID or a serial bus, and need to be programmed
by hand. Again, a nice Windows program, and sets
things in the same way that Linux "modeline" settings
work (front porch, back porch, screen width,
all that jazz).

# Example Modeline via "cvt" (I use this in a virtual machine)
# Frequency, four params for horizontal, four params for vertical

Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867 871 892 -hsync +vsync

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline

So if you've never evaluated this software before,
give this a try for 30 days, and see if the monitor
actually supports a better setting. Rather than
crafting a modeline, the program has GUI controls
for some things (so you can center the display).

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm

In the dim and distant past, there were TV
sets that supported say 1920x1080, then the
idiots at the TV manufacturer set the "PC Interface"
EDID information to say 1440x900. In other words,
*always* forcing resampling on the way to the
panel. Modern TVs support 1:1 pixel mapping,
so if you bought and paid for a 1920 resolution,
the PC port gives access to that 1920 as the
max resolution setting. Let's hope you have
one of those TV sets, and not one of the
sets that has the brain dead setup. Nothing
worse than being forced to resample text pixels
all the time, and seeing blurry fonts.

If you need further help, post either the complete
model number of the Sammy, or post the URL that
points to the user manual for it. You can usually
get a PDF version of the user manual from the
TV manufacturer site. It might actually show in
a table, that it is "forcing" the PC port to
resample. For no good reason.

Good luck,
Paul

Hi Paul, in addition to that I have just run moninfo which reports the
following

Monitor
Model name............... SAMSUNG
Manufacturer............. Samsung
Plug and Play ID......... SAM0902
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 41
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 890 x 500 mm (40.2 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 15-81kHz
Vertical scan range...... 24-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200
1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1366x768p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1366x768" 85.500 1366 1436 1579 1792 768
771 774 798 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1152 x 864p at 75Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 800p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1600 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
Revision number.......... 3
IT underscan............. Supported
Basic audio.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
Native formats........... 1
Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640
1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200
1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720
725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #4....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720
725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
1920 x 1080p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
720 x 576p at 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45)
1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480i at 60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27)
720 x 576i at 50Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 64:45)
NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
Channel configuration.... 2.0
Front left/right......... Yes
Front LFE................ No
Front center............. No
Rear left/right.......... No
Rear center.............. No
Front left/right center.. No
Rear left/right center... No
Rear LFE................. No

CE video capability data
CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
PT scan behavior......... Not supported
RGB quantization range... Not supported
YCC quantization range... Not supported

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0
Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
Supports 48bpp........... No
Supports 36bpp........... Yes
Supports 30bpp........... Yes
Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
Supports dual-link DVI... No
Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz

Report information
Date generated........... 30/10/2013
Software revision........ 2.70.0.989
Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

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Does this mean I cannot get the TV to output at 1920x1080 as this
would be pretty disappointing to say the least as I use excel
extensively and the hope was bigger screen = more columns and rows and
therefore easier to manage data !!

Cheers

Steve


On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:32:43 +0000, Steve
wrote:

Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post.

I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back.

For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK

Thanks once again - a top class reply

Cheers

Steve

On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:21:52 -0400, Paul wrote:

Steve wrote:
HI, I have the Nvidia GT520 and util recently had been connecting at
1920x1080 via HDMI to a Hannspree 26" FullHD television.

However, I recently upgraded to a 40" Samsung LED TV also with FullHD
but can onyl get thew Nvidia Control Panel to show a PC option for
1680x1050 which means in reality I can see less of my excel
spreadsheet than I could see on the 26" Hannspree.

Also the text quality is a little but and most noticeable with ll and
l where there is a slight shaopwy blurred effect going on.

Can anyone tell me how to get the GT520 to output to the TV at
1920x1080 as it is driving me mad !!!!


Thanks

Steve

Are you absolutely sure the Sammy has 1920x1080 resolution ?
Or does it resample, converting 1920x1080 to a smaller resolutinn
it happens to have in its panel ?

What is happening is, the computer and GT520, are using
the information coming from the monitor, to set the
max resolution. There is a serial communications path, that
allows the computer to "pull" the EDID table from the monitor.

computer ----- "What resolution do you support?" --- TV ---+
|
---- "1680 is my max resolution, but hey, --------+
I could be lying..."

To review what the monitor has in terms of configuration
information, use Moninfo from Entechtaiwan. I have a copy
installed on my machine here. Use the "real time entry"
when running the program, so the EDID is pulled in real time
while you're sitting there. And allows you to review
what the currently connected monitor is saying, in terms
of what it supports.

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

In the past, the NVidia control panel had some means of
entering custom resolutions. I think I've managed to make
a monitor go "black screen", by pushing the resolution
past what it supported. So you'd want to do this
while the 40" Sammy was being used as a second monitor.

computer --------- monitor used while fooling around
--------- sammy, on the second video output port

Entechtaiwan also offers PowerStrip for entering
custom resolution settings. It is available for
evaluation for 30 days, as far as I can remember.
And is useful on display devices that don't have
EDID or a serial bus, and need to be programmed
by hand. Again, a nice Windows program, and sets
things in the same way that Linux "modeline" settings
work (front porch, back porch, screen width,
all that jazz).

# Example Modeline via "cvt" (I use this in a virtual machine)
# Frequency, four params for horizontal, four params for vertical

Modeline "1152x864_50.00" 66.25 1152 1208 1320 1488 864 867 871 892 -hsync +vsync

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline

So if you've never evaluated this software before,
give this a try for 30 days, and see if the monitor
actually supports a better setting. Rather than
crafting a modeline, the program has GUI controls
for some things (so you can center the display).

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm

In the dim and distant past, there were TV
sets that supported say 1920x1080, then the
idiots at the TV manufacturer set the "PC Interface"
EDID information to say 1440x900. In other words,
*always* forcing resampling on the way to the
panel. Modern TVs support 1:1 pixel mapping,
so if you bought and paid for a 1920 resolution,
the PC port gives access to that 1920 as the
max resolution setting. Let's hope you have
one of those TV sets, and not one of the
sets that has the brain dead setup. Nothing
worse than being forced to resample text pixels
all the time, and seeing blurry fonts.

If you need further help, post either the complete
model number of the Sammy, or post the URL that
points to the user manual for it. You can usually
get a PDF version of the user manual from the
TV manufacturer site. It might actually show in
a table, that it is "forcing" the PC port to
resample. For no good reason.

Good luck,
Paul

Steve wrote:
Hi Paul, in addition to that I have just run moninfo which reports the
following

Monitor
Model name............... SAMSUNG
Manufacturer............. Samsung
Plug and Play ID......... SAM0902
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 41
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 890 x 500 mm (40.2 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 15-81kHz
Vertical scan range...... 24-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200
1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1366x768p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1366x768" 85.500 1366 1436 1579 1792 768
771 774 798 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1152 x 864p at 75Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 800p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1600 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
Revision number.......... 3
IT underscan............. Supported
Basic audio.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
Native formats........... 1
Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640
1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200
1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720
725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #4....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720
725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
1920 x 1080p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
720 x 576p at 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45)
1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480i at 60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27)
720 x 576i at 50Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 64:45)
NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
Channel configuration.... 2.0
Front left/right......... Yes
Front LFE................ No
Front center............. No
Rear left/right.......... No
Rear center.............. No
Front left/right center.. No
Rear left/right center... No
Rear LFE................. No

CE video capability data
CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
PT scan behavior......... Not supported
RGB quantization range... Not supported
YCC quantization range... Not supported

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0
Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
Supports 48bpp........... No
Supports 36bpp........... Yes
Supports 30bpp........... Yes
Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
Supports dual-link DVI... No
Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz

Report information
Date generated........... 30/10/2013
Software revision........ 2.70.0.989
Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

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2C,25,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,00,BC,52,D0,1E,20 ,B8,28,55,40,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,01,1D,00,72,51,

D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,EC

Does this mean I cannot get the TV to output at 1920x1080 as this
would be pretty disappointing to say the least as I use excel
extensively and the hope was bigger screen = more columns and rows and
therefore easier to manage data !!

Cheers

Steve


On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:32:43 +0000, Steve
wrote:

Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post.

I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back.

For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK

Thanks once again - a top class reply

Cheers

Steve


OK, here are the manuals.

This one is generic

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...VBEU4E-ENG.pdf

and this one is specific

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...06Eng-0727.pdf

It was hard to tell from the download page, whether
I got the right one for your TV or not. Yours is BK
and this is just K, and I'm hoping the B refers to
the exterior chassis color.

UE40EH5000K Downloads
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mo...KXXU-downloads

*******

This part from your report, looks encouraging.
Since the word "Native" is there, this tells me
the TV is really 1920 physical pixels across. So
I can forget about the idea it scales everything
to fit a more inferior panel. This says, it should
be working, and now you have to *insist* from the PC
end, that this is how it's going to be.

Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

The VESA modes ending with this one, that's annoying.
If there had been a 1920 next in this section, you
would have got the desired result immediately. I
expect this is a standards overlap issue of some
sort. (I.e. 1080p is a "movie" or "consumer video"
mode, and not specific to PCs.)

1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD

I don't know the technical details, of whether VESA
is supposed to have a "PC 1920" type entry or not.
However, never fear, as the NVidia control panel
has resolution adjustments, and you can add
*new* resolutions there.

If you look at this picture (captured using my older
NVidia card with a regular computer monitor), you can
see there is an option for modeline input.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/613/kf2.gif

It's a matter of getting that info (the stuff from
moninfo), into the Nvidia panel. Set the "Timing Standard"
to "Manual", and you can key in the modeline.
It's [Frequency] [four numbers for horizontal]
[four numbers for vertical], in terms
of what is encoded in the modeline.

Your TV has two HDMI inputs, one of which is labeled
as "DVI", and it's possible the response of the
two differs somehow. It could be that "DVI" implies
DVI compatibility mode, or maybe it's saying something
about HDCP. Not really sure. In the past, some TVs
labeled a connector as "PC", and maybe "DVI" means
the same sort of thing.

Also, the manual makes no mention of HDCP, but I
presume given the year of manufacturer, it's in there.
HDCP is used to scramble the signals on the HDMI cable,
so a "pirate" can't copy movie content. That should
be negotiated automatically, between monitor device
and video card. If Windows discovers HDCP is not running,
then funny things may happen when using a video player
application full screen. I expect this is yet another
blip in the (slightly lacking) user manual. It could
be that they consider HDMI to imply HDCP, and so they
don't need to put the word in the manual.

You have component input on the TV as well, but
I don't see a reason to be even thinking about that
now. My older NVidia card has the mini-DIN connector
on the front, and that's one way of getting there. Newer
cards dispense with component output. It's a kind of
anti-consumer move. I like having the option there,
for emergencies when nothing else is working for me.

*******

I think you'll be able to fix this without PowerStrip.
Give the NVidia Control Panel a try.

Paul

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:07:03 -0400, Paul wrote:

Steve wrote:
Hi Paul, in addition to that I have just run moninfo which reports the
following

Monitor
Model name............... SAMSUNG
Manufacturer............. Samsung
Plug and Play ID......... SAM0902
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 41
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 890 x 500 mm (40.2 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 15-81kHz
Vertical scan range...... 24-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200
1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1366x768p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1366x768" 85.500 1366 1436 1579 1792 768
771 774 798 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 67Hz - Apple Mac II
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870p at 75Hz - Apple Mac II
1152 x 864p at 75Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 800p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1440 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1600 x 900p at 60Hz - VESA STD
1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
Revision number.......... 3
IT underscan............. Supported
Basic audio.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
Native formats........... 1
Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640
1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200
1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720
725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #4....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720
725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
1920 x 1080p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
720 x 576p at 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45)
1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480i at 60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27)
720 x 576i at 50Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 64:45)
NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
Channel configuration.... 2.0
Front left/right......... Yes
Front LFE................ No
Front center............. No
Rear left/right.......... No
Rear center.............. No
Front left/right center.. No
Rear left/right center... No
Rear LFE................. No

CE video capability data
CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
PT scan behavior......... Not supported
RGB quantization range... Not supported
YCC quantization range... Not supported

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0
Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
Supports 48bpp........... No
Supports 36bpp........... Yes
Supports 30bpp........... Yes
Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
Supports dual-link DVI... No
Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz

Report information
Date generated........... 30/10/2013
Software revision........ 2.70.0.989
Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

Raw data

00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,4C,2D,02,09,00,00,00,00,29 ,15,01,03,80,59,32,78,0A,EE,91,A3,54,4C,99,26,

0F,50,54,BD,EF,80,71,4F,81,C0,81,00,81,80,95,00,A9 ,C0,B3,00,01,01,02,3A,80,18,71,38,2D,40,58,2C,

45,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,66,21,56,AA,51,00,1E,30,46 ,8F,33,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,FD,00,18,

4B,0F,51,17,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00 ,53,41,4D,53,55,4E,47,0A,20,20,20,20,20,01,A6,

02,03,25,F1,4D,90,1F,04,13,05,14,03,12,20,21,22,07 ,16,23,09,07,07,83,01,00,00,E2,00,0F,67,03,0C,

00,10,00,B8,2D,01,1D,80,D0,72,1C,16,20,10,2C,25,80 ,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58,

2C,25,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,9E,01,1D,00,BC,52,D0,1E,20 ,B8,28,55,40,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,01,1D,00,72,51,

D0,1E,20,6E,28,55,00,A0,5A,00,00,00,1E,00,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,EC

Does this mean I cannot get the TV to output at 1920x1080 as this
would be pretty disappointing to say the least as I use excel
extensively and the hope was bigger screen = more columns and rows and
therefore easier to manage data !!

Cheers

Steve


On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:32:43 +0000, Steve
wrote:

Hi Paul, thank you for such a detailed and informative post.

I will have a look at the moninfo as advised and report back.

For info the model number is SAM-LED-UE40EH5000-BK

Thanks once again - a top class reply

Cheers

Steve


OK, here are the manuals.

This one is generic

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...VBEU4E-ENG.pdf

and this one is specific

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...06Eng-0727.pdf

It was hard to tell from the download page, whether
I got the right one for your TV or not. Yours is BK
and this is just K, and I'm hoping the B refers to
the exterior chassis color.

UE40EH5000K Downloads
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/mo...KXXU-downloads

*******

This part from your report, looks encouraging.
Since the word "Native" is there, this tells me
the TV is really 1920 physical pixels across. So
I can forget about the idea it scales everything
to fit a more inferior panel. This says, it should
be working, and now you have to *insist* from the PC
end, that this is how it's going to be.

Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

The VESA modes ending with this one, that's annoying.
If there had been a 1920 next in this section, you
would have got the desired result immediately. I
expect this is a standards overlap issue of some
sort. (I.e. 1080p is a "movie" or "consumer video"
mode, and not specific to PCs.)

1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD

I don't know the technical details, of whether VESA
is supposed to have a "PC 1920" type entry or not.
However, never fear, as the NVidia control panel
has resolution adjustments, and you can add
*new* resolutions there.

If you look at this picture (captured using my older
NVidia card with a regular computer monitor), you can
see there is an option for modeline input.

http://imageshack.us/a/img811/613/kf2.gif

It's a matter of getting that info (the stuff from
moninfo), into the Nvidia panel. Set the "Timing Standard"
to "Manual", and you can key in the modeline.
It's [Frequency] [four numbers for horizontal]
[four numbers for vertical], in terms
of what is encoded in the modeline.

Your TV has two HDMI inputs, one of which is labeled
as "DVI", and it's possible the response of the
two differs somehow. It could be that "DVI" implies
DVI compatibility mode, or maybe it's saying something
about HDCP. Not really sure. In the past, some TVs
labeled a connector as "PC", and maybe "DVI" means
the same sort of thing.

Also, the manual makes no mention of HDCP, but I
presume given the year of manufacturer, it's in there.
HDCP is used to scramble the signals on the HDMI cable,
so a "pirate" can't copy movie content. That should
be negotiated automatically, between monitor device
and video card. If Windows discovers HDCP is not running,
then funny things may happen when using a video player
application full screen. I expect this is yet another
blip in the (slightly lacking) user manual. It could
be that they consider HDMI to imply HDCP, and so they
don't need to put the word in the manual.

You have component input on the TV as well, but
I don't see a reason to be even thinking about that
now. My older NVidia card has the mini-DIN connector
on the front, and that's one way of getting there. Newer
cards dispense with component output. It's a kind of
anti-consumer move. I like having the option there,
for emergencies when nothing else is working for me.

*******

I think you'll be able to fix this without PowerStrip.
Give the NVidia Control Panel a try.

Paul

Hi Paul, thanks again for a very detailed reply however, I have tried
custom resolutions and simply cannot get it to display what I expect
to be a relatively sharp picture. I am sure it is most likely down to
my lack of knowledge but when I try and create a 1920x1080 resolution
the Nvidia Panel says there is already a custom resolution int he PC
section of those dimensions. However, in the PC section the largest
resolution available is 1680x1050.

As with you I suspect that if the moninfo report showed

1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD &
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Then we would be good to go. As it is I am unsure how to achieve this.

Regards


Steve

Steve wrote:


Hi Paul, thanks again for a very detailed reply however, I have tried
custom resolutions and simply cannot get it to display what I expect
to be a relatively sharp picture. I am sure it is most likely down to
my lack of knowledge but when I try and create a 1920x1080 resolution
the Nvidia Panel says there is already a custom resolution int he PC
section of those dimensions. However, in the PC section the largest
resolution available is 1680x1050.

As with you I suspect that if the moninfo report showed

1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD &
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Then we would be good to go. As it is I am unsure how to achieve this.

Regards


Steve

The NVidia control panel, should have the regular resolution
setting section, as well as the custom one. If it claims
the regular resolution setting section has it, then
it should have been showing up there. (Maybe the
control panel is relying on EDID, and won't accept
an over-range spec ?) You would think if the NVidia
control panel was rejecting the custom setting, it
would say as much. Or, maybe it implies we're looking
in the wrong part of the NVidia control panel, and we
should be looking for a "TV section". I vaguely remember
a long time ago, when HD first came out, there was
a separate section for dealing with HD resolutions.
That may have been on the old (classic) Nvidia control
panel or something.

The TV set has two choices:

1) You use the NVIDIA custom resolution, set to 1920x1080
via modeline, and a picture of some sort is displayed.
That at least, proves the frequencies involved,
are "in range".

2) You do the 1920x1080 res, and the OSD on the TV set
says "out of range". That then, tells you the TV has
rejected the settings. While you could make a typing
mistake in the NVidia control panel, or the NVidia
driver could do something stupid, this is kinda
reinforcing that the TV isn't going to accept that
resolution choice. Multisync protection in display
devices, measures the frequency, and rejects things
which are too high.

If you're a match on (1), then it's time to have a
look at the TV OSD interface, and see if some
setting there is lacking. The manual says there
are some scaling settings, such as 25% shrink
or 50% shrink or the like. Implying there may be
some ways on the TV end, to screw up the picture.

Try both HDMI connectors, and see if they give the
same response. They both likely use the same EDID
chip output, to provide info to the computer.

I don't know what else to suggest at this point,
short of using an "EDID faker box". Normally,
those are only needed to coerce projection
setups into doing the right thing. (Projection
devices typically don't have EDID, and the
NVidia control panel will limit output to
say 1024x768 in that case.) But you have a
working EDID, judging by the table that
ends at 1680. The curious part is why
that table doesn't have a 1920. I can't
imagine one HDMI having a different EDID
than the other, but maybe that's the case.

(You can get off-brand ones for less than this...
This presents a fake EDID to the computer, to allow
the computer to send higher than 1024x768. If TV
normally sends 1680, this box can say "I support 1920,
honest I do", and then the NVidia control panel
"snaps to attention".)

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-hdmi-ed...p?prod_id=8005

With the two HDMI input ports, make sure no other
HDMIs are connected while you're working on
this problem. Use one HDMI and leave the other
one unused, while testing. Just in case they
did something strange like share the EDID bus
over the two connectors. If you had an XBOX
connected to one HDMI while testing computer
on the other HDMI, try disconnecting the XBOX
and testing with just the computer.

*******

There's an example of a "cannot be added" here, but
probably for different reasons. Based on the
moninfo content, I don't really see changing
driver versions, as causing it to behave
any differently. The real question is
whether a custom setting is allowed to bypass
the perceived "limit" coming from EDID.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...-21-163-75-ok/

Paul

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:17:28 -0400, Paul wrote:

Steve wrote:


Hi Paul, thanks again for a very detailed reply however, I have tried
custom resolutions and simply cannot get it to display what I expect
to be a relatively sharp picture. I am sure it is most likely down to
my lack of knowledge but when I try and create a 1920x1080 resolution
the Nvidia Panel says there is already a custom resolution int he PC
section of those dimensions. However, in the PC section the largest
resolution available is 1680x1050.

As with you I suspect that if the moninfo report showed

1680 x 1050p at 60Hz - VESA STD &
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Then we would be good to go. As it is I am unsure how to achieve this.

Regards


Steve

The NVidia control panel, should have the regular resolution
setting section, as well as the custom one. If it claims
the regular resolution setting section has it, then
it should have been showing up there. (Maybe the
control panel is relying on EDID, and won't accept
an over-range spec ?) You would think if the NVidia
control panel was rejecting the custom setting, it
would say as much. Or, maybe it implies we're looking
in the wrong part of the NVidia control panel, and we
should be looking for a "TV section". I vaguely remember
a long time ago, when HD first came out, there was
a separate section for dealing with HD resolutions.
That may have been on the old (classic) Nvidia control
panel or something.

The TV set has two choices:

1) You use the NVIDIA custom resolution, set to 1920x1080
via modeline, and a picture of some sort is displayed.
That at least, proves the frequencies involved,
are "in range".

2) You do the 1920x1080 res, and the OSD on the TV set
says "out of range". That then, tells you the TV has
rejected the settings. While you could make a typing
mistake in the NVidia control panel, or the NVidia
driver could do something stupid, this is kinda
reinforcing that the TV isn't going to accept that
resolution choice. Multisync protection in display
devices, measures the frequency, and rejects things
which are too high.

If you're a match on (1), then it's time to have a
look at the TV OSD interface, and see if some
setting there is lacking. The manual says there
are some scaling settings, such as 25% shrink
or 50% shrink or the like. Implying there may be
some ways on the TV end, to screw up the picture.

Try both HDMI connectors, and see if they give the
same response. They both likely use the same EDID
chip output, to provide info to the computer.

I don't know what else to suggest at this point,
short of using an "EDID faker box". Normally,
those are only needed to coerce projection
setups into doing the right thing. (Projection
devices typically don't have EDID, and the
NVidia control panel will limit output to
say 1024x768 in that case.) But you have a
working EDID, judging by the table that
ends at 1680. The curious part is why
that table doesn't have a 1920. I can't
imagine one HDMI having a different EDID
than the other, but maybe that's the case.

(You can get off-brand ones for less than this...
This presents a fake EDID to the computer, to allow
the computer to send higher than 1024x768. If TV
normally sends 1680, this box can say "I support 1920,
honest I do", and then the NVidia control panel
"snaps to attention".)

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/ext-hdmi-ed...p?prod_id=8005

With the two HDMI input ports, make sure no other
HDMIs are connected while you're working on
this problem. Use one HDMI and leave the other
one unused, while testing. Just in case they
did something strange like share the EDID bus
over the two connectors. If you had an XBOX
connected to one HDMI while testing computer
on the other HDMI, try disconnecting the XBOX
and testing with just the computer.

*******

There's an example of a "cannot be added" here, but
probably for different reasons. Based on the
moninfo content, I don't really see changing
driver versions, as causing it to behave
any differently. The real question is
whether a custom setting is allowed to bypass
the perceived "limit" coming from EDID.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...-21-163-75-ok/

Paul


Hi Paul, you will not believe the answer to this which I have just
stumbled upon.

I simply renamed the HDMI2 connection to PC went into Windows and
changed the resolution to 1920x1080 and it worked.

I simply cannot believe how simple it was and how this is not clearly
advised in the manual or elsewhere on the net.

Once again thank you very much for your incredible knowledge on the
subject and for taking the time to respond and help me.

Kind regards


Steve