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Upgrading Asus As7-vm mobo
I want to upgrade my Asus AS7-VM motherboard. It currently has an
Athlon 1GHz processor. According to Asus it will take up to a 1.4GHz Athlon or 900 MHz Duron, I don't see why there is a difference in CPU speed. I checked the local computer store and it is only possible to get Duron processors, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 GHz. Will a 1.4 GHz Duron buy me much over a 1 GHz Athlon given the smaller on-board cache? The Duron is a much later design, so will presumable generate less heat. I also wonder if I can run one of the higher speed Durons in this mobo? The Asus doc only mentions 1.4GHz but maybe that is because faster processors were not available at the time. The Athlon XP processor doesn't seem to be any good due to the faster FSB speed (266 MHz as opposed to 133MHz). tia David |
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"David Off" wrote in message om... I want to upgrade my Asus AS7-VM motherboard. It currently has an Athlon 1GHz processor. According to Asus it will take up to a 1.4GHz Athlon or 900 MHz Duron, I don't see why there is a difference in CPU speed. I checked the local computer store and it is only possible to get Duron processors, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 GHz. Will a 1.4 GHz Duron buy me much over a 1 GHz Athlon given the smaller on-board cache? The Duron is a much later design, so will presumable generate less heat. I also wonder if I can run one of the higher speed Durons in this mobo? The Asus doc only mentions 1.4GHz but maybe that is because faster processors were not available at the time. The Athlon XP processor doesn't seem to be any good due to the faster FSB speed (266 MHz as opposed to 133MHz). tia David the chips are 100 / 133 / 166 / 200 fsb (thats all) if you see a chip that's quoted as having 266 fsb then it's going to work with a 133 fsb. like the other poster said, your limited to 100fsb so you could go the path of buying a mobile processor and running it at 15 x 100 (but you might have trouble with that too) I would think the newer durons (applebreds) are lock'd internally now (as with all non mobile AXP chips) but if that 1.4 applebred runs at 10.5 x 133 then you would have a 1050 duron on startup. I dont know what you'll pay for the conversion cost (wish the uk would go to the euro) but here is a mobile that should do that 15x100 http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalo...roducts_id=416 Good luck in what ever you decide |
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"rstlne" wrote in message news:3OVCc.35$wk3.20@newsfe6-win... "David Off" wrote in message om... I want to upgrade my Asus AS7-VM motherboard. It currently has an Athlon 1GHz processor. According to Asus it will take up to a 1.4GHz Athlon or 900 MHz Duron, I don't see why there is a difference in CPU speed. I checked the local computer store and it is only possible to get Duron processors, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 GHz. Will a 1.4 GHz Duron buy me much over a 1 GHz Athlon given the smaller on-board cache? The Duron is a much later design, so will presumable generate less heat. I also wonder if I can run one of the higher speed Durons in this mobo? The Asus doc only mentions 1.4GHz but maybe that is because faster processors were not available at the time. The Athlon XP processor doesn't seem to be any good due to the faster FSB speed (266 MHz as opposed to 133MHz). tia David the chips are 100 / 133 / 166 / 200 fsb (thats all) if you see a chip that's quoted as having 266 fsb then it's going to work with a 133 fsb. like the other poster said, your limited to 100fsb so you could go the path of buying a mobile processor and running it at 15 x 100 (but you might have trouble with that too) I would think the newer durons (applebreds) are lock'd internally now (as with all non mobile AXP chips) but if that 1.4 applebred runs at 10.5 x 133 then you would have a 1050 duron on startup. I dont know what you'll pay for the conversion cost (wish the uk would go to the euro) but here is a mobile that should do that 15x100 http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalo...roducts_id=416 Good luck in what ever you decide Been looking into this for some time as I have an old Gigabyte 7AJA (KT133) board with a Duron 800 I would like to breathe some new life into cheaply while keeping the 512MB of ECC PC133 memory and an ATI AIW AGP2 TV card so new mobo not really an option. Being unable to find a 200FSB processor, an XP2400 (15x133) underclocked seems fine. The mobo says 'unknown processor' but runs quite happily (& cool) at 1.5GHz (15x100). Norton benchmarks about 4x as fast as the Duron 800 and it certainly performs better. Processor is locked otherwise I assume I could run it at a higher clock ratio whilst still being in spec. Chris K |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:31:24 +0100, CJK wrote:
Been looking into this for some time as I have an old Gigabyte 7AJA (KT133) board with a Duron 800 I would like to breathe some new life into cheaply while keeping the 512MB of ECC PC133 memory and an ATI AIW AGP2 TV card so new mobo not really an option. Being unable to find a 200FSB processor, an XP2400 (15x133) underclocked seems fine. The mobo says 'unknown processor' but runs quite happily (& cool) at 1.5GHz (15x100). Norton benchmarks about 4x as fast as the Duron 800 and it certainly performs better. Processor is locked otherwise I assume I could run it at a higher clock ratio whilst still being in spec. Don't know if your board will let you adjust FSB or not, but if it does, you can raise the FSB up to about 116Mhz for more core speed. At least that what I could get out of my KT133 systems. That's another 240MHz. You could go a lot higher with an unlocked one. See below. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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"Wes Newell" wrote in message newsan.2004.06.25.19.28.24.946238@TAKEOUTverizon .net... On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:31:24 +0100, CJK wrote: Been looking into this for some time as I have an old Gigabyte 7AJA (KT133) board with a Duron 800 I would like to breathe some new life into cheaply while keeping the 512MB of ECC PC133 memory and an ATI AIW AGP2 TV card so new mobo not really an option. Being unable to find a 200FSB processor, an XP2400 (15x133) underclocked seems fine. The mobo says 'unknown processor' but runs quite happily (& cool) at 1.5GHz (15x100). Norton benchmarks about 4x as fast as the Duron 800 and it certainly performs better. Processor is locked otherwise I assume I could run it at a higher clock ratio whilst still being in spec. Don't know if your board will let you adjust FSB or not, but if it does, you can raise the FSB up to about 116Mhz for more core speed. At least that what I could get out of my KT133 systems. That's another 240MHz. You could go a lot higher with an unlocked one. See below. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm Thanks, I was intending to try that though I'd rather not risk stability for small speed gains, not sure how the 5 year old Graphics card would like the PCI bus speed increase. 3/4x improvement is OK for now. Going to 24x100FSB would be good as it is not really overclocking but I assume that, as the processor is date coded only a few weeks ago, it cannot be easily unlocked. Chris K (UK) |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:16:58 +0100, CJK wrote:
Going to 24x100FSB would be good as it is not really overclocking but I assume that, as the processor is date coded only a few weeks ago, it cannot be easily unlocked. 2400MHz is way overclocked for the 2100+ below which normal speed is 1733MHz. The default speed of the 2400+ is only 2000MHz. There's a mod to turn the locked cpu's into a mobile and then use software to adjust the multiplier, but I haven't had the need nor the desire to do rthis as it involes a lot of mod to the cpu bridges and there's some buts in too. Your best option would be to find an older Tbred B core cpu that isn't locked (ebay maybe). Or you could buy a new MP. They are still unlocked, but expensive. A new mobile should work too, as they are not locked I'm told. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:47:49 -0700, David Off wrote:
I want to upgrade my Asus AS7-VM motherboard. It currently has an Athlon 1GHz processor. According to Asus it will take up to a 1.4GHz Athlon or 900 MHz Duron, I don't see why there is a difference in CPU speed. Forget what Asus says. It's crap. I checked the local computer store and it is only possible to get Duron processors, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 GHz. Will a 1.4 GHz Duron buy me much over a 1 GHz Athlon given the smaller on-board cache? Any Duron should work. Although, I'd go for an XP. The Athlon XP processor doesn't seem to be any good due to the faster FSB speed (266 MHz as opposed to 133MHz). There are no 266MHz AMD cpu's, only 100-200MHz. All the 266/333/400 crap you see is just that, mraketing stratagies. Your MB will support a fsb of up to 150MHz. See Advanced setup in manual or bios. And even if it were limited to 100Mhz, that still wouldn't mean you couldn't use an XP cpu. There's just 2 things that determine cpu speed, multiplier x FSB clock= cpu clock. The highest multiplier is 24 (as long as cpu is not a locked model), so in theory you could run a cpu at 3600MHz if you could find one that would run that fast, which you won't. Your only gotya is the multiplier lock. If you buy a multiplier locked cpu you can only adjust FSB to change speeds, either down or up to a max of 150MHz (but I'd say 133 to be conservative). So how fast do you want to go, and how much are you willing to spend is the only question. I configered a system with this MB for someone a couple of years ago and was impressed with it's versitility for a SIS730 chipset. There's lot's more general info in the link below. You might also not the the system listed below is limited to 100Mhz FSB but still runs an XP cpu pretty fast. A 3200+ only runs at 2200MHz. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
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Wes Newell wrote in message news:pan.2004.06.25.19.05.15.46643@TAKEOUTverizon .net...
Forget what Asus says. It's crap. Hmmm that's pretty interesting. I did check the BIOS setup... and found that I was underclocking my existing CPU, Doh. It was running at 90/30 with a multiplier (locked) of 10 and I bumped this up to 100/33. Where I live (France) the Athlon XP 2000+ seems like the best value upgrade currently. This runs at 1667 MHz so I assume it is locked at 12.5 with a FSB of 133. |
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