Crytek: Next-Gen Console Hardware Locked Down Next Year, Out In2012-2013, Epic Agrees

"YKhan" wrote in message
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On Oct 7, 5:22 pm, "Tom" wrote:
"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
Anyways, it's much more impressive that the single GPU HD5870 beat out
the
dual-GPU GTX295 or HD4870X2 in five or six tests respectively. You
expect
the dual-GPUs to usually beat out single GPUs

But you really need to look at those benchmark tests compared to what
stress
and game(s) they were under, that's what I noticed. I found it astounding
that a few times the 285 and 280 beat the 5870. I am psyched about the
5870
as it seems for the money, Nvidia can put out something already
comparatively more powerful as how the 295 was to the 4870x2, but the
newer
ATI comes closer to the challenge and still can be much cheaper.

Can you point out where the 285 beat the 5870? I've seen very few
examples. In the first article, TechSpot, they ran just single cards,
and the only things beating the 5870 with any consistency were the two
dual-GPU solutions, 4870X2 or 295. In the Anandtech article, they ran
mixes of single and dual cards, and again the only time anything beat
the 5870 were either single-card/dual-GPU or dual-card/single-GPU.

http://www.techspot.com/review/198-a...iew/page9.html


Well, it may be all academic pretty soon. According to this article,
Nvidia's on the verge of cancelling its GTX260, 275, and 285, with the
likelihood that the 295 will be gone pretty soon too.

If this is true and it seems credible enough, Nvidia just may be on the
ropes. The fact that ATI cards are (and have been) hitting GDDR5 and
Nividia
hasn't ever mentioned their cards supporting this, so I wonder if they
are
going to that rating on their next cards. I don't think, as ATI comes out
with these cards that are more than adequate to run even Crysis, that
Nvidia
can keep pumping out these high end cards at these price levels and
expect
people to pay for them while not offering anything more that ATI cards
can
handle. I honestly do not see, in the near future, games requiring near
anything more than the need of what the 5870x2 will offer.

I don't think it's got anything to do with technology like GDDR5 vs.
GDDR4 per se, it's more to do with cost to build. The low- and mid-
price Nvidia cards cost more to build than they are getting back for
them. This likely has a lot to do with Nvidia's extremely large die
sizes. ATI has been concentrating on lowering costs for itself, and
hence for the customers. The way to lower costs is to reduce the size
of the GPU die.

I didn't say anything about the cost of GDDR5, only that ATI has (and has
had) it and Nvidia never has.

Tom wrote:
"YKhan" wrote in message
Can you point out where the 285 beat the 5870? I've seen very few
examples. In the first article, TechSpot, they ran just single cards,
and the only things beating the 5870 with any consistency were the two
dual-GPU solutions, 4870X2 or 295. In the Anandtech article, they ran
mixes of single and dual cards, and again the only time anything beat
the 5870 were either single-card/dual-GPU or dual-card/single-GPU.

http://www.techspot.com/review/198-a...iew/page9.html

Yeah, those were the only examples I saw of GTX285 beating HD5870 at
anything at all, i.e. Supreme Commander. And it didn't beat it by much,
like 1 or 2 frames. Supreme Commander is known as a CPU hog rather than
a GPU hog, that's why you don't see much difference between any of the
single-GPU cards, it's the processor that's bottlenecked.

Yousuf Khan