Crytek: Next-Gen Console Hardware Locked Down Next Year, Out In2012-2013, Epic Agrees

On Sep 22, 10:29*am, The alMIGHTY N wrote:

What RPGs have come out for the PC in the recent months?

Only MMORPGs, Aion and Champions Online in the last few weeks.

On Sep 22, 11:30*am, Eman wrote:
On Sep 22, 10:29*am, The alMIGHTY N wrote:

What RPGs have come out for the PC in the recent months?

Only MMORPGs, Aion and Champions Online in the last few weeks.

So, yeah, more but they're all MMO instead of your standard fare
single-player RPG...

On Sep 22, 11:08*am, The alMIGHTY N wrote:
On Sep 22, 12:33*am, Yousuf Khan wrote:

The alMIGHTY N wrote:
I would be very surprised if Microsoft didn't take their time to make
sure something like that didn't happen again.

I'd be very surprised if Microsoft did fix it for the next time. Why
break a tradition now?

Tradition?

Yes, you know the "Microsoft Tradition". A tradition of mediocrity,
and not giving a crap, and even using that as an marketing point. :-)

Yousuf Khan

"The alMIGHTY N" wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 5:21 pm, "Tom" wrote:
"alMIGHTY" wrote in message

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On Sep 20, 2:13 am, "Tom" wrote:
"parallax-scroll" wrote in message

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During the AMD Vision event, we got the opportunity to talk to Mike
Gamble, manager of CryTek's Engine Licensing Business. In a
discussion
that spanned from different APIs to challenges in adopting new
platform.

Due to expansion from a PC-only to a multi-platform engine, CryTek
scored several new customers. At present time, CryTek has more
thandozen oflicensees, who will all utilize the next-generation
CryEngine3. CryEngine 3 is set to debut next month [October], and
there areloads of projects that will utilize that engine, especially
fewsurprises for the consoles.

On the pictures in this article, you can see the demo of the engine
running DirectX 9 build, expandable with DirectX 10, 10.1 and 11
extensions - depending on the adoption by the licensee. Thus, we'll
refrain from commenting on the obligatory ATI's "DirectX 11 Gaming"
cardboard, because the information there wasn't correct.

Mike told us that the capabilities of DirectX9 [when properly
optimized] are brilliant for customers that want to develop a title
for current generation of consoles and PCs. The customers that are
targeting next-generation console cycle and the PC should build upon
the strengths of DirectX 11 API, given that most of next-generation
console hardware will be locked down sometime next year, and pushed
out in 2012-2013 frame. We got the same feedback from Epic in the
matter of Unreal Engine 4, and the time will tell can CryTek develop
into a successful engine developer as well. So far, the work on
Crysis
2 is progressing with more impact on gameplay than ever before.

Our take is that CryEngine 3 simply blew our minds with the
realistic
water physics and effects on the "camera" viewpoint... it was really
interesting to feel the immersion effect, so the guys and girls in
CryTek are looking good to win the award for the best looking water
of
them all.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...cryengine-30-s...

A little off-topic, but anyway:

I am seriously thinking of getting a very high end gaming rig (I am
tired
of
nothing getting better on the 360 for looks)

Which is why we need another console generation to start sooner rather
than later! I take back my previous message in this thread! 2011,
gentlemen... please!

I was really hoping for a 2010 release as 2011 is a bit far off, so that
is
long enough for me to get a good rig now. I can understand why MS would
wait
longer as to extend their profits from their games/accessories and maybe
get
the Xbox series closer to being in the black (if if doesn't get there
when
it is all said and done). I just will wait for Windows 7 and see what
Nvidia
has for their DX11 answer. If ATI would pick up speed on how fast they
get
quality drivers released, I would go with them since they are typically
cheaper and they arelready to release their DX11 cards within a week or
so
from now.

I would also prefer the next console generation start next holiday
season but I know that's not happening so I'm aiming for the next
logical date. :-)

Regardless, I refuse to get back into PC gaming at the "hardcore"
level. I have much better things on which to spend my hard-earned
money. I've been getting some downloads, though, like the Monkey
Island remake, Telltale's various series, World of Goo, etc.

and I want RPGs

It doesn't seem like there are very many of those on any platform
besides the DS.

There are more RPG and RTS games on PC than on any console at this time.

The DS isn't a console... ;-)

Yea I know, but only if the DS has a 24" monitor with a 1900x1600 resolution
peak :-).


What RPGs have come out for the PC in the recent months?

Not just recent months, but upcoming as well. Almost all are cross
platforms, but since RPGs are nearly always better on the PC, it seems
logical to me. I cannot remember all of the names, but if you go even to
wiki and look up the upcoming games, there are quite a few out there. Like I
said before, I will probably even go the route of shooters there as well as
I am just gotten bored with XBL and the same old same old. Let's put it this
way, I have bought nine 360 games in the last two years and no other games
interest me; they have been shooters and RPGs. When I bought Mass Effect,
Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc (as examples), I always thought these would be much
better on the PC. I liked them a great deal on the 360, though the
performance was off, and from that, I always had in the back of my mind
having these on PC would have been better, though way more costly. The only
games I always liked on the 360 are shooters of various flavors, since they
entailed having multiplayer, but I am getting bored with MP now.

It's either I quit gaming (GASP, NO!), or I spend a lot now and wait for the
future of Xbox/PS to see what comes along (no longer close to being
interested in Nintendo anymore). I miss RTS games as well and you know they
play way better on a PC. Stealth based games (another fav of mine) are
mostly better on the PC too. It's been nearly six years since I bought a PC
anyway and I need a new one. I have well into 5 figures of money stashed
anyway outside of my retirement/brokerage/checking accounts anyway, and I
have zero debt. I think it's time to splurge :-). I will be getting MW2 on
the 360 for sure and I am unsure about ODST, I will wait for some of the
real gamers here to give real opinions on the game before I get it. If I get
this PC, all future RPGs are for the PC and probably a good deal of shooters
I want as well.


Besides
as they come out, the PC versions are nearly all better and you can do
more
with the PC versions as well as get the best of graphics. Hell, I may
even
do MW2 on PC if I get the PC around the time it comes out. The PC I want
will be easily powerful (minimum of 2gigs graphics power) enough as to
watch
BR movies on my TV (if I want to anyway) and I could even play the game
over
on my big Sammy if I want.

I think I finally hit the point where I just don't care about online
shooters anymore for any console, maybe I am just burned out from playing
them over the years and nothing seems fresh about the whole MP shooter
theme
anymore. The whole theme is just plain worn out for me and I haven't seen
anything fresh (what could make it more fresh when it is the same thing
over
and over again shooting people, scoring points?) and then dealing with
the
trash talk and kiddies. I think the MP in Modern Warfare may have been
the
last for me and I haven't seen anything that remotely interest me (though
B:BC was pretty damn good). I am definitely getting MW2, but I doubt I
will
play much MP as it seems to have the same set-up as MW with a few new
weapons.



and good RTS
game, there are too few for me. So when I read about the DX11 coming
out
on
ATI's next 5000 series cards, I began holding back, because Nvidia
will
follow suit, and though typically more expensive, Nvidia almost always
has
issues solved with the driver support whereas ATI take too much time
on
newer cards.

Having said this and reading what this article states, I am now
wondering
if
I should wait for those cards simply because it doesn't seem that DX11
is
going to be an issue for necessity for a few years to come; hell, many
current games still use DX9.

"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
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Tom wrote:
I am seriously thinking of getting a very high end gaming rig (I am tired
of nothing getting better on the 360 for looks) and I want RPGs and good
RTS game, there are too few for me. So when I read about the DX11 coming
out on ATI's next 5000 series cards, I began holding back, because Nvidia
will follow suit, and though typically more expensive, Nvidia almost
always has issues solved with the driver support whereas ATI take too
much time on newer cards.

Having said this and reading what this article states, I am now wondering
if I should wait for those cards simply because it doesn't seem that DX11
is going to be an issue for necessity for a few years to come; hell, many
current games still use DX9.

ATI's drivers aren't that much of a problem these days. For the most part,
both ATI's and Nvidia's drivers are just "cheat engines", where they
detect which game you're playing and they setup the video parameters
properly for each game. So there's always a new Catalyst or Geforce driver
a few months down the road that will update the support for any problems
in any particular game.


As for DirectX 11, it's only an issue if you're running Windows Vista or
Windows 7. DirectX 9 is what runs on XP and it'll never be updated. That's
why games still have a DirectX 9 mode. The features that set DirectX 10,
10.1, and 11 apart from 9 are turned off in XP. It's much like disabling
graphics features in a game to get better game play.


I know, but DX11 hardware will run the previous iterations of DX down to
9.0. But, when Windows 7 comes out, XP will be gone and I am not going to
load an OS (XP) that been out for 8 years now. Time to move on to 7 and it
has been getting rave reviews from some reputable sites, unlike that
disaster called Vista..

In article , YKhan wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:08=A0am, The alMIGHTY N wrote:
On Sep 22, 12:33=A0am, Yousuf Khan wrote:

The alMIGHTY N wrote:
I would be very surprised if Microsoft didn't take their time to make
sure something like that didn't happen again.

I'd be very surprised if Microsoft did fix it for the next time. Why
break a tradition now?

Tradition?

Yes, you know the "Microsoft Tradition". A tradition of mediocrity,
and not giving a crap, and even using that as an marketing point. :-)

Yousuf Khan
Thats not a tradition by Microsoft, thats a Corporate culture.

On Sep 22, 4:42*pm, "Tom" wrote:
I know, but DX11 hardware will run the previous iterations of DX down to
9.0. But, when Windows 7 comes out, XP will be gone and I am not going to
load an OS (XP) that been out for 8 years now. Time to move on to 7 and it
has been getting rave reviews from some reputable sites, unlike that
disaster called Vista..

That's of course upto you, whether you upgrade your OS or not. I'd say
if DX11 allows more work to be offloaded into the GPU, then that will
be worth it, even without any visual enhancements. Right now it looks
like AMD will be the only ones with DX11 GPUs for several months, into
next year. Nvidia spent a lot of time and effort trying to avoid DX11,
they only recently brought out a DX10.1 card, and that's for their
mobility range.

Yousuf Khan

"YKhan" wrote in message
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On Sep 22, 4:42 pm, "Tom" wrote:
I know, but DX11 hardware will run the previous iterations of DX down to
9.0. But, when Windows 7 comes out, XP will be gone and I am not going to
load an OS (XP) that been out for 8 years now. Time to move on to 7 and
it
has been getting rave reviews from some reputable sites, unlike that
disaster called Vista..

That's of course upto you, whether you upgrade your OS or not. I'd say
if DX11 allows more work to be offloaded into the GPU, then that will
be worth it, even without any visual enhancements. Right now it looks
like AMD will be the only ones with DX11 GPUs for several months, into
next year. Nvidia spent a lot of time and effort trying to avoid DX11,
they only recently brought out a DX10.1 card, and that's for their
mobility range.


I am not one to not use ATI as they used to be the best a few years back.
But, if Nvidia drags their feet, I will have no problem spending the money
on the latest ATI DX11 cards. I am just afraid of the support ATI doesn't
offer like they used to. Many game developers support Nvidia and I think
that's sad, but it is what it is.

On Sep 25, 7:22*am, "Tom" wrote:
I am not one to not use ATI as they used to be the best a few years back.
But, if Nvidia drags their feet, I will have no problem spending the money
on the latest ATI DX11 cards. I am just afraid of the support ATI doesn't
offer like they used to. Many game developers support Nvidia and I think
that's sad, but it is what it is.

Apparently that's no longer the case anymo the game developers want
support for DX11 right now, and ATI is only one capable of providing
that, right now.

Asus Voltage Tweaks Radeon HD 5870 To A 38% Performance Boost -
HotHardware
"We tell you, ATI has a hit on its hands. We haven't seen a Radeon
card generate this much buzz and industry support in what feels like
years, but the powerful Radeon HD 5870 is doing just that."
http://hothardware.com/News/Asus%2DV...mance%2DBoost/

"YKhan" wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 7:22 am, "Tom" wrote:
I am not one to not use ATI as they used to be the best a few years back.
But, if Nvidia drags their feet, I will have no problem spending the
money
on the latest ATI DX11 cards. I am just afraid of the support ATI doesn't
offer like they used to. Many game developers support Nvidia and I think
that's sad, but it is what it is.

Apparently that's no longer the case anymo the game developers want
support for DX11 right now, and ATI is only one capable of providing
that, right now.

Asus Voltage Tweaks Radeon HD 5870 To A 38% Performance Boost -
HotHardware
"We tell you, ATI has a hit on its hands. We haven't seen a Radeon
card generate this much buzz and industry support in what feels like
years, but the powerful Radeon HD 5870 is doing just that."
http://hothardware.com/News/Asus%2DV...mance%2DBoost/

Yes, I have been looking at them and they have been selling on New Egg but
selling out. I read a few tech sites for reviews and surprisingly, the
GTX295 still outperforms the single 5870. But the 5870 is 1g to the 295's
1.7 gigs, but the differences are still substantial. I think I will wait
until the 5870x2s come out, or see if Nvidia takes the cake yet again. ATI
still smokes Nvidia in pricing. Even the single 5870 is much cheaper than
the GTX295.

Here are two reviews from two very reliable sites.

http://www.techspot.com/review/198-a...iew/page1.html

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643