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Why Pentium?
"Don Burnette" wrote in message ... "Bazzer Smith" wrote in message ... "Talal Itani" wrote in message news:M3aqg.1208$543.1165@trnddc04... Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep If you choose Pentiums you don't have to bother installing a central heating system. Hmm, running Athlon XP64 4400+ dual core here, did not have to bother installing a central heating system, runs great and cool! Go figure, Don .. Silly me, I thought he meant that they didn't have to install a central heading system for the building as the Pentium could serve double duty. -Don (another one) |
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Why Pentium?
"Talal Itani" wrote...
I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Not necessarily. Businesses often choose based on perceived risk; Intel is better known and has larger market share, so it must be less risky. Also, some may have long memories about early AMD CPUs and their incompatibilities and performance problems. Those problems are far behind AMD. Their CPUs are more than competitive with Intel -- Intel is now scrambling to catch up! |
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Why Pentium?
Bazzer Smith wrote:
"Talal Itani" wrote in message news:M3aqg.1208$543.1165@trnddc04... Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. If you choose Pentiums you don't have to bother installing a central heating system. This was once the case. I always buy Intel, and I can tell you that the last dual core processor at 3.2Ghz runs quite hot. In my case with aftermarket (Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 pro) cooling, I have 50 degrees Celsius (almost regardless of the ambient temperature). John |
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Why Pentium?
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:45:00 GMT, "Talal Itani" wrote:
Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. Nope most businesses do less research on computer purchasing than gamers and other individuals do. They choose a brand name, like Dell or HP, negotiate a purchasing deal, usually for volume, and buy them like cookies. They tend to like all the client systems to be identical in chipset characteristics to minimize the number of system install images IT dept. needs to manage. IOW the inertia is high so change is seldom contemplated. Things are changing though and AMD is getting a foothold due to superior thermal characteristics, especially for servers where upgrading requires consideration of power load and A/C load for a glasshouse. See this article http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...sts-green.html on 2nd page. Unfortunately this AMD advantage is about to be wiped out by the latest Core 2 Xeon 5100 series Intel CPUs which have much better energy and thermal footprint than previous P4-based Xeons. Right now, Intel is in changeover and Xeon 5100 series servers are just appearing, while Core 2 desktop systems are due in a few weeks. What you buy depends on whether you want to wait or get a good price on a current system - personally I'd go for the AMD system right now. -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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Why Pentium?
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:45:00 GMT, "Talal Itani"
wrote: Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. T.I. The answer is simple, like you many management types have no idea which is the better choice but know the Intel name better. Past business buying habits resulted in a trend to buy Intel and although AMD gained substantial ground in performance more recently, such brand preferences take longer to change, particularly when these businesses tend to buy volumes of systems, packages put together under assumptions by OEMs that the businesses still preferred AMD. Another way to look at it is the most businesses don't have "new" systems. Their last site-wide upgrade cycle may have been before AMD took the lead with Athlon64 or at least before those platforms became mature and best benefit:cost ratio.. Businessess tend to like mature and static platforms, not buying the latest new technology for a performance advantage except where there is a clear correlation between performance and productivity- which there typically isn't today, for most business uses the user is the bottleneck, not the system. |
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Why Pentium?
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:18:37 GMT, "Bioboffin"
wrote: Bazzer Smith wrote: "Talal Itani" wrote in message news:M3aqg.1208$543.1165@trnddc04... Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. If you choose Pentiums you don't have to bother installing a central heating system. This was once the case. I always buy Intel, and I can tell you that the last dual core processor at 3.2Ghz runs quite hot. In my case with aftermarket (Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 pro) cooling, I have 50 degrees Celsius (almost regardless of the ambient temperature). Yes, Bazzer Smith seems to merely be repeating hearsay. For years the hotter platform depended on the use and specific model in the CPU family chosen. There is one particular model of CPU with a horrible performance:watt beyond what is reasonable for air-cooling a quiet system- Prescott. Intel holds this honor and may until the end of time. Even if Intel or AMD produces a future CPU with the same heat, it will have higher performance:watt and the user can simply select lower than the highest speed range in the particular CPU family for lower heat. |
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Why Pentium?
"Talal Itani" wrote in message news:M3aqg.1208$543.1165@trnddc04...
Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. Primarily because of pathetic chipsets (e.g. VIA, Apollo etc), for many years running AMD systems meant constant compatibility problems, waiting for chipset and driver updates etc etc. The situation has improved over the last few years but most large companies are still gun shy. By the way, Conroe is looking like it'll be the new preferred platform. Intel is finally taking back its former position as performance leader. |
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Why Pentium?
"Bioboffin" wrote in message ... Bazzer Smith wrote: "Talal Itani" wrote in message news:M3aqg.1208$543.1165@trnddc04... Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. If you choose Pentiums you don't have to bother installing a central heating system. This was once the case. I always buy Intel, and I can tell you that the last dual core processor at 3.2Ghz runs quite hot. In my case with aftermarket (Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 pro) cooling, I have 50 degrees Celsius (almost regardless of the ambient temperature). John Similar situation to my 2.8 Ghz Pentium D dual core which seldom runs below 50 degrees unless the room temperature is cool via my air conditioning being on long enough. Mark |
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Why Pentium?
Talal Itani wrote:
Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. Most businesses don't really have any choice about which processors they buy. They buy from a computer manufacturer, which in the past has had an exclusive marketing deal with Intel to only sell their processors to businesses. The marketing deals are usually worth millions of dollars to these companies and could mean the difference between making a profit or a loss in a particular quarter. Yousuf Khan |
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Why Pentium?
Talal Itani wrote: Hello, I am in the market for a good computer, with a dual-core CPU. I keep reading that Athlon is better than Pentium, Athlon is faster than Pentium, and Athlon is lower priced than Pentium. But if that is the case, why do most businesses have Pentium based PCs and not Athlon based PCs? Surely most businesses research the pros and cons of a product before they make their purchases. Thank you for clarifying this for me. T.I. Intel and AMD both make excellent chips. Business have historicly chosen Intel because of heat and stability issues, plus most business apps don't demand the performance of Athlons. But AMD has been gaining ground in the Business market. I would not disrecommend either processor. Stay away from VIA processors, they do not perform. They're energy efficient, and require minimal cooling, and they're cheap, but if you have real work to be done, stay away. If you want a good, reliable machine, go with Dell, or have one built. Avoid Emachines. |
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