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MSI KT4V (KT400) and ATI Radeon video cards HELL
Hi all,
Hopefully someone knows the solution to this one... I had Diamond Viper V770 Ultra installed in this (KT4V) motherboard for a while. Then I upgraded to ATI Radeon 8500LE and the hell began. The display will disappear (XP SP1) and it will be just vertical lines of different colors. I found that if I lower resolution to 800x600 at 16-bit color, then everything worked... I tried latest Hyperion drivers, latest Catalyst/Microsoft/Omega drivers - nothing helped. I took another card - FIC Radeon 8500 - from my 2nd system (MSI K7N2 - NForce2 chipset). Inserted that card and... as soon as WinXP loaded video driver the whole display went black - there was no signal to monitor (everything still worked fine in Safe Mode). I really don't know why this KT4V or its KT400 chipset does not work with ATI video cards . I disabled 'fast-write' in bios. Also, this motherboard will only support 4X AGP, but I wouldn't care about that if it supported the video cards without problems. The only option that I haven't tried is flashing the bios with the latest revision, but I don't think that it'd help 'cause the bios in this motherboard is still one of the latest releases . Heeelp! |
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Eugen T wrote:
Hi all, Hopefully someone knows the solution to this one... I had Diamond Viper V770 Ultra installed in this (KT4V) motherboard for a while. Then I upgraded to ATI Radeon 8500LE and the hell began. The display will disappear (XP SP1) and it will be just vertical lines of different colors. I found that if I lower resolution to 800x600 at 16-bit color, then everything worked... I tried latest Hyperion drivers, latest Catalyst/Microsoft/Omega drivers - nothing helped. I took another card - FIC Radeon 8500 - from my 2nd system (MSI K7N2 - NForce2 chipset). Inserted that card and... as soon as WinXP loaded video driver the whole display went black - there was no signal to monitor (everything still worked fine in Safe Mode). I really don't know why this KT4V or its KT400 chipset does not work with ATI video cards . I disabled 'fast-write' in bios. Also, this motherboard will only support 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. but I wouldn't care about that if it supported the video cards without problems. The only option that I haven't tried is flashing the bios with the latest revision, but I don't think that it'd help 'cause the bios in this motherboard is still one of the latest releases . Heeelp! -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Wrong the 8500 does surport 4x AGP. |
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Lee Waun wrote:
4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Wrong the 8500 does surport 4x AGP. http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500128/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500le/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" And so on. So what model of 8500 does ATI claim will work in an AGP 4X slot? A universal slot provides both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling, a 4x-only slot provides 1.5, an AGP 2X board needs 3.3, so it won't run. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Well, you said it - all of them. It can work in 2X or 4X AGP slots - if it
will be in 2X slot it will work at 2X AGP, in 4X slot it will work at 4X. Yes, I was wrong regarding 8X. "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Lee Waun wrote: 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Wrong the 8500 does surport 4x AGP. http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500128/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500le/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" And so on. So what model of 8500 does ATI claim will work in an AGP 4X slot? A universal slot provides both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling, a 4x-only slot provides 1.5, an AGP 2X board needs 3.3, so it won't run. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Eugen T wrote:
Well, you said it - all of them. It can work in 2X or 4X AGP slots - if it will be in 2X slot it will work at 2X AGP, in 4X slot it will work at 4X. Yes, I was wrong regarding 8X. A "2X/4X universal slot" is not the same as a "4X slot". The "universal" means that it can provide both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling. In a 2X/4X universal slot an 8500 may run at 4X speed, but that doesn't mean that it will run at all in a 4X slot that is not a "2X/4X universal slot". "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Lee Waun wrote: 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Wrong the 8500 does surport 4x AGP. http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500128/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500le/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" And so on. So what model of 8500 does ATI claim will work in an AGP 4X slot? A universal slot provides both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling, a 4x-only slot provides 1.5, an AGP 2X board needs 3.3, so it won't run. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote: Eugen T wrote: Hi all, Hopefully someone knows the solution to this one... I had Diamond Viper V770 Ultra installed in this (KT4V) motherboard for a while. Then I upgraded to ATI Radeon 8500LE and the hell began. The display will disappear (XP SP1) and it will be just vertical lines of different colors. I found that if I lower resolution to 800x600 at 16-bit color, then everything worked... I tried latest Hyperion drivers, latest Catalyst/Microsoft/Omega drivers - nothing helped. I took another card - FIC Radeon 8500 - from my 2nd system (MSI K7N2 - NForce2 chipset). Inserted that card and... as soon as WinXP loaded video driver the whole display went black - there was no signal to monitor (everything still worked fine in Safe Mode). I really don't know why this KT4V or its KT400 chipset does not work with ATI video cards . I disabled 'fast-write' in bios. Also, this motherboard will only support 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. but I wouldn't care about that if it supported the video cards without problems. The only option that I haven't tried is flashing the bios with the latest revision, but I don't think that it'd help 'cause the bios in this motherboard is still one of the latest releases . Heeelp! The 8500 DOES do 4X. The OP probably just needs to reload XP -or- completely remove the old drivers from his system. |
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My 8500 runs @4X in XP on a KT3 Ultra ARU.
done J. Clarke wrote: Eugen T wrote: Well, you said it - all of them. It can work in 2X or 4X AGP slots - if it will be in 2X slot it will work at 2X AGP, in 4X slot it will work at 4X. Yes, I was wrong regarding 8X. A "2X/4X universal slot" is not the same as a "4X slot". The "universal" means that it can provide both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling. In a 2X/4X universal slot an 8500 may run at 4X speed, but that doesn't mean that it will run at all in a 4X slot that is not a "2X/4X universal slot". "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Lee Waun wrote: 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Wrong the 8500 does surport 4x AGP. http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500128/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500le/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" And so on. So what model of 8500 does ATI claim will work in an AGP 4X slot? A universal slot provides both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling, a 4x-only slot provides 1.5, an AGP 2X board needs 3.3, so it won't run. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"neopolaris" . wrote in message ... J. Clarke wrote: Eugen T wrote: Hi all, Hopefully someone knows the solution to this one... I had Diamond Viper V770 Ultra installed in this (KT4V) motherboard for a while. Then I upgraded to ATI Radeon 8500LE and the hell began. The display will disappear (XP SP1) and it will be just vertical lines of different colors. I found that if I lower resolution to 800x600 at 16-bit color, then everything worked... I tried latest Hyperion drivers, latest Catalyst/Microsoft/Omega drivers - nothing helped. I took another card - FIC Radeon 8500 - from my 2nd system (MSI K7N2 - NForce2 chipset). Inserted that card and... as soon as WinXP loaded video driver the whole display went black - there was no signal to monitor (everything still worked fine in Safe Mode). I really don't know why this KT4V or its KT400 chipset does not work with ATI video cards . I disabled 'fast-write' in bios. Also, this motherboard will only support 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. but I wouldn't care about that if it supported the video cards without problems. The only option that I haven't tried is flashing the bios with the latest revision, but I don't think that it'd help 'cause the bios in this motherboard is still one of the latest releases . Heeelp! The 8500 DOES do 4X. The OP probably just needs to reload XP -or- completely remove the old drivers from his system. I completely removed drivers during reinstalls.. Anyway, I solved the problem by buying MSI GF4 Ti4200 8X AGP 128MB... system is rock-stable... ATI cards are in other systems now and are also rock-stable... go figure |
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"neopolaris" . wrote:
My 8500 runs @4X in XP on a KT3 Ultra ARU. From the manual for the KT3 Ultra ARU: "The AGP slot allows you to insert the AGP graphics card. AGP is an interface specification designed for the throughput demands of 3D graphics. It introduces a 66MHz, 32-bit channel for the graphics controller to directly access main memory and provides three levels of throughputs: 1x (266Mbps), 2x (533Mbps) and 4x (1.07Gbps)." In other words it is a universal slot, not a 4X slot, and so provides signal voltage compatible with the 8500. That has no relevance to what will happen in a 4X-only board that does not provide that signal voltage. done J. Clarke wrote: Eugen T wrote: Well, you said it - all of them. It can work in 2X or 4X AGP slots - if it will be in 2X slot it will work at 2X AGP, in 4X slot it will work at 4X. Yes, I was wrong regarding 8X. A "2X/4X universal slot" is not the same as a "4X slot". The "universal" means that it can provide both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling. In a 2X/4X universal slot an 8500 may run at 4X speed, but that doesn't mean that it will run at all in a 4X slot that is not a "2X/4X universal slot". "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Lee Waun wrote: 4X AGP, If it won't support 2X there's your problem. The 8500 doesn't support 4X. was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) Wrong the 8500 does surport 4x AGP. http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500128/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500le/specs.html "Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 2X or AGP 2X/4X universal slot" And so on. So what model of 8500 does ATI claim will work in an AGP 4X slot? A universal slot provides both 1.5v and 3.3v signalling, a 4x-only slot provides 1.5, an AGP 2X board needs 3.3, so it won't run. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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