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On Jan 3, 6:55 pm, "Christopher Muto" wrote:
did you read the specs for the apc device? it is far from a 'generic' power strip. would love to know any refererance for your claims. A technically accurate response would post those specs. You did not. Where is that APC and Tripplite numeric spec that lists each kind of spike and protection from that spike? Or did you just know APC and Tripplite are better because that is the popular myth. Not some subjective claim from a sales brochure. Show me those numbers. Meanwhile the circuit inside a generic power strip is the same protection circuit. Deny it? Then you can state specifically what is different. What parts are used? Why does the APC and Tripplite with same parts somehow costs more? Again a technical challenge ... that demands on technical knowledge and not repeating popular myths. Where are those tech spec numbers that again are not provided? |
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wtf? i provided a link to the product page that also has a detailed
specification page. it is abundantly clear that you didn't bother to read it and that you have no references for the opnions that you offered. don't but it if you don't think it is any good, but please don't just make stuff up. wrote in message ... On Jan 3, 6:55 pm, "Christopher Muto" wrote: did you read the specs for the apc device? it is far from a 'generic' power strip. would love to know any refererance for your claims. A technically accurate response would post those specs. You did not. Where is that APC and Tripplite numeric spec that lists each kind of spike and protection from that spike? Or did you just know APC and Tripplite are better because that is the popular myth. Not some subjective claim from a sales brochure. Show me those numbers. Meanwhile the circuit inside a generic power strip is the same protection circuit. Deny it? Then you can state specifically what is different. What parts are used? Why does the APC and Tripplite with same parts somehow costs more? Again a technical challenge ... that demands on technical knowledge and not repeating popular myths. Where are those tech spec numbers that again are not provided? |
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On Jan 3, 11:17*pm, "Christopher Muto" wrote:
wtf? *i provided a link to the product page that also has a detailed specification page. *it is abundantly clear that you didn't bother to read it and that you have no references for the opnions that you offered. * So where is that number for protection from each type of surge? Still not provided. Why would you believe you have posted specs? So many posts and you still don't provide any numbers. But again. If you had spec numbers, you posted those numbers. Show me. Where are your numbers for surge protection? Why do you instead cite a sales brochure? How do you know something and yet cannot even post a manufacturer spec? Because you don't have any numbers. You made the claim. Therefore you have the numbers? Apparently not. Meanwhile, APC and Tripplite protectors use the same protector circuit found in generic "power strip' protectors. All three even make the same numeric claims. The OP is cautioned about those who _know_ but cannot even post one manufacturer specification number. Instead learn from telcos who don't use what Christopher has recommended. Telcos use effective protectors that make a short connection to earth AND cost less money. Effective protection means the spike does not even enter a building. |
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On Jan 5, 9:39*am, bud-- wrote:
Still not provided. * Why would you believe you have posted specs? *So many posts and you still don't provide any numbers. Christopher posted a "link to the product page that also has a detailed specification page." *w *just ignores what doesn't fit his beliefs. He doesn't believe specs exist. Which number claims protection from each type of surge? Christopher cannot say. He does not know what numbers define surge protection. So Christopher Muto posted a link to a subjective sales brochure – and posted no numbers. No protection numbers are provided because the APC and Tripplite circuits are the same circuit in that generic power strip. Christopher did not know that. Christopher recommended without knowing all three are electrically same. Christopher recommended only protectors with higher profit margins. Bud - who promotes power strip protectors - has cut and pasted his usual diatribe. Good. Page 42 Figure 8 demonstrates what the APC and Tripplite protectors actually do. Without earth ground, the spike is earthed 8000 volts destructively through an adjacent TV. Page 42 Figure 8 of Bud's IEEE guide shows why telcos don't waste money on APC and Tripplite products. Telcos use protectors that actually provide protection. Telcos use the 'whole house' protector earthed where a spike cannot enter the building. Bud's second citation is even more damning. Bud's NIST citation says why APC and Tripplite protectors do not provide those spec numbers: You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor "arrest" it. What these protective devices do is neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but simply divert it to ground, where it can do no harm. Divert (shunt, connect) a spike to earth. How does APC or Tripplite without earthing provide protection? Neither do. Bud's NIST citation (page 19 of 24) is even blunter: A very important point to keep in mind is that your surge protector will work by diverting the surges to ground. The best surge protection in the world can be useless if grounding is not done properly. Spike energy must be dissipated somewhere. Will that silly little APC or Tripplite protector stop or absorb what three kilometers of sky could not? Bud says yes. But even Bud's citations say spike energy must be dissipated in earth. No wonder telcos waste no money on APC or Tripplite protectors. Where is energy harmlessly dissipated? In earth. Effective (and much less expensive) protectors have a short (ie less than 3 meter) connection to earth. No wonder Christopher Muto still will not post those protection numbers. Those numbers do not exist. He does not know what the sales brochure says. So Christopher must argue rather than post numbers. Protecting a laptop and everything else inside a building means earthing before a spike can enter that building. A protector is only as effective as that 'less than 3 meter' connection to earth. No earth ground means nothing will stop or dissipate spike energy. No earth ground is why telcos don't waste money on what Christopher Muto has recommended. |
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On Jan 5, 5:21*pm, "Christopher Muto" wrote:
thanks bud, nice to know that someone out there can read how on earth he thinks the circut in the apc notebook adapter is exactly the same as that in a generic power strip is beyond me. *it does much more than generic power strip. It does? Then you posted those numbers. Oh? Still no numbers? APC and Tripplite have same protection circuit also found in the $8 grocery store protector. Same circuit. A $150 Monster Cable protector also has that same circuit. By charging more money, the naive (ie Christopher) somehow know Monster Cable must be better. The naive never learn even Monster Cable has the same circuit found in an $8 discount store protector. Christopher Muto repeatedly makes subjective claims AND refuses to post spec numbers. As long as he (and Bud) do not provide numbers, then he cannot be exposed as technically ignorant. What number claims protection? Christopher does not know. If Christopher posts a number, then everyone would learn how technically uneducated he really is. If that number existed, Christopher would have posted it long ago. He posts no numbers because he does not know what any of those numbers mean. He recommended a protector only because popular urban myth recommends it. In North America, APC and Tripplite reputations are similar to Monster Cable. Companies that sell effective 'whole house' protectors also have superior international reputations ... such as Intermatic, General Electric, Siemens, Square D (Schneider Electric), Polyphaser, Keison, Leviton, Cutler Hammer (Eaton), and others. These same companies are famous for numerous, safe and reliable electrical equipment such as junction boxes, connectors, circuit breakers, electric monitoring equipment ... Brand names found in every new building in North America. Only those companies also provide 'whole house' protectors. Why do telcos not use APC and Tripplite products? At 100 surges per thunderstorm, telcos need protectors that connect spikes to earth AND remain functional after every spike. Another characteristic of effective protectors? The protector must remain functional after diverting (the word used by Bud's NIST citation) spike energy into earth. Effective protection means spike energy is dissipated harmlessly in earth AND does not enter the building. Effective protection means nobody knows the surge even existed. Both Christopher and Bud post repeatedly and still will not provide that spec number. As every responsible source notes, spikes must be harmlessly dissipated in earth. US Air Force manuals also demand a 'whole house' protector and not plug-in protectors from less responsible manufacturers such as APC and Tripplite. Like all telcos all over the world, the US Air Force also requires effective protection. Therefore the US Air Force states: Install the surge protection as soon as practical where the conductor enters the interior of the facility. Also called a 'whole house' protector. Also not called an APC or Tripplite product. An effective protector connect a spike to earth. Since it does not have that short earthing connection, how does the APC, Monster Cable, Tripplite, or generic power strip stop spikes? Somehow it will stop a spikes by absorbing all that energy. Well again, review those spec numbers. A protector of hundreds of joules will absorb what three kilometers of sky could not stop? That is also what Bud and Christopher claim. No wonder both fear to post spec numbers. But again, where is that manufacturer spec number that claims protection from the typically destructive spikes? Both Bud and Christopher refuse to provide that spec number. Neither APC nor Tripplite make numeric protection claims. If they did, then Christopher would have posted those numbers long ago. Christopher cannot post 1) what does not exist and 2) what he does not understand. Christopher recommended APC and Tripplite products anyway. He knows those products cost more money; therefore must be better. The only number he really understands. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Effective spike protection connects massive spike energy harmlessly into earth – as even the US Air Force demands. Best protection for the laptop AND everything else in the building is a properly earthed 'whole house' protector. Then protection inside all appliances is not overwhelmed. A solution only provided by more responsible companies - even required by all telcos and the US Air Force. |
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"Christopher Muto" wrote in message t... thanks bud, nice to know that someone out there can read snip Not to butt in, but you knew where this was headed when Mr. Whole House Grounding entered the thread. I shall now exit as abruptly as I entered the thread......... ;-) |
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