MP/XP chip speeds table...

Blaedmon wrote:
Hey Hey! Easy on the big words! Instead of using 'scatological' why
didnt you simply say 'poo-like'? People shouldnt scan their minds for
long words in vain attempts to sound clever because, quite frankly,
they merely end up sounding like dicks. Sorry.

Why use many of the words in the English language when they have more than 4
letters, yes! "****", the most useful word on a planet: e.g.:

noun: "You ****".
adjective: "****ing thing"

If you hurt yourself, yell "****!"
It's a synonym for broken, drunk and the past tense of having sex: "****ed"

Yes, there are thousands of words in the English language, but don't worry
about subtlety of meaning or any of that, just use the multipurpose word
"****" in all of it's tenses past "****ed", present "****ing" and future
"****". Make way for more interesting things in your brain than long words
with complicated meanings.

Anyhoo - I got like 3 emails regarding my post, all asking whether I'd
figured it out. Some dude asked what his 2400+ actually was, also. So
in striking down your first point in fiery amusement let me laugh in
your direction... ahem... "AAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHA!".

His first point was that "You'd be more likely to get a useful response".
Those three responses were not useful to you. They certainly didn't answer
your question...

Next... I found the relevant info I needed faster on google which,
admitedly, I should have done in the first place.

Indeed. It ain't a hard thing to do.

But I wanted to see how many people look down on AMD naming
system as I do. Its simply stupid. Sorry.

Oh THATS what you were trying to do. It's not what you said you were trying
to do.

Next...Upset? Did I sound upset? Annoyed would be the word. Company
after company name their stuff incoherently. What the hell does an
Intel Pentium 4
2.0ghz mean? Hmm.. lets see.. Its revision 4 architecture, its 2ghz!
Incredible! That was real simple. Now, what the hell is an AMD Athlon
XP 2800+? Ok.. Its made by AMD.. the chip is an Athlon... XP.. could
be its made specifically for windowsXP? not sure. 2800+! Ah so it
must run at 2800ghz! WOW! I going to get me one of those!
Now, lets look at the sarcasm above and see that a point is made. Get
it?
I look forward to stupid replies.

Oh yes, cos we're in GHz now and 1000MHz it's not at all comparable with
1GHz is it?

AMD made it clear from the start what they were attempting to do. They
reprimanded* people who incorrectly tried to sell an athlon XP 1700 as a
1.7GHz processor. It really isn't that difficult to grasp, but then,
neither is a dictionary and long words, are they?

I don't think you seem to have made any point actually. It's so
illogically** argued that quite frankly it makes no real sense.

Quite how you can get so "angry" over a naming convention is beyond me. Yes
the Renault 5 must have a 5 litre engine. The Rover 416 must have a 416
litre engine. Or are they 5cc and 416cc engines respectively***? The
logitech Z-680 speakers must be 680 Watts, My Sony G400 monitor must be
400Inches across, my Nokia 6310i must work on the 6310MHz band, my size 9
shoes must be 9 inches long, my GXP120 hard disk must be 120Gigs, My DDR400
RAM must run at 400MHz... the list goes on...

Quite simply, just don't assume the numnber means anything, least of all in
any terms of units, si or otherwise.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

* http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...&q=reprimanded
** http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=illogically
*** http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=respectively

Yes, I'm more bored than you can imagine.

:-P

Killer, just a killer Ben! [turn 'abuse of' into 'use of'] language -
that is.

BoroLad

In article ,
says...
Blaedmon wrote:
Hey Hey! Easy on the big words! Instead of using 'scatological' why
didnt you simply say 'poo-like'? People shouldnt scan their minds for
long words in vain attempts to sound clever because, quite frankly,
they merely end up sounding like dicks. Sorry.

Why use many of the words in the English language when they have more than 4
letters, yes! "****", the most useful word on a planet: e.g.:

noun: "You ****".
adjective: "****ing thing"

If you hurt yourself, yell "****!"
It's a synonym for broken, drunk and the past tense of having sex: "****ed"

Yes, there are thousands of words in the English language, but don't worry
about subtlety of meaning or any of that, just use the multipurpose word
"****" in all of it's tenses past "****ed", present "****ing" and future
"****". Make way for more interesting things in your brain than long words
with complicated meanings.

Anyhoo - I got like 3 emails regarding my post, all asking whether I'd
figured it out. Some dude asked what his 2400+ actually was, also. So
in striking down your first point in fiery amusement let me laugh in
your direction... ahem... "AAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHA!".

His first point was that "You'd be more likely to get a useful response".
Those three responses were not useful to you. They certainly didn't answer
your question...

Next... I found the relevant info I needed faster on google which,
admitedly, I should have done in the first place.

Indeed. It ain't a hard thing to do.

But I wanted to see how many people look down on AMD naming
system as I do. Its simply stupid. Sorry.

Oh THATS what you were trying to do. It's not what you said you were trying
to do.

Next...Upset? Did I sound upset? Annoyed would be the word. Company
after company name their stuff incoherently. What the hell does an
Intel Pentium 4
2.0ghz mean? Hmm.. lets see.. Its revision 4 architecture, its 2ghz!
Incredible! That was real simple. Now, what the hell is an AMD Athlon
XP 2800+? Ok.. Its made by AMD.. the chip is an Athlon... XP.. could
be its made specifically for windowsXP? not sure. 2800+! Ah so it
must run at 2800ghz! WOW! I going to get me one of those!
Now, lets look at the sarcasm above and see that a point is made. Get

BoroLad wrote:
Killer, just a killer Ben! [turn 'abuse of' into 'use of'] language -
that is.

BoroLad

I'm just bored... I'm waiting for my RAM, Hard drive, PSU, HSF and some
fans to turn up. Then I can build me my new machine. At that point I'll
immerse myself in all the games that my Voodoo3 haven't been able to play.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

In article ,
says...
BoroLad wrote:
Killer, just a killer Ben! [turn 'abuse of' into 'use of'] language -
that is.

BoroLad

I'm just bored... I'm waiting for my RAM, Hard drive, PSU, HSF and some
fans to turn up. Then I can build me my new machine. At that point I'll
immerse myself in all the games that my Voodoo3 haven't been able to play.

90% of cooling/noise/vibration etc, and the associated problems/benefits
can be avoided by the often overlooked fundamental, the hardly ever
mentioned, the neglected building block of a new system - the case
design.

Hope you get your stuff before the weekend, then let the build begin. I
notice someone on the ATi group managed to buy a "grandmar's" "red L"
9500NP, cracking card with the capacity to 'softMOD' into a 9800 in mere
seconds. I thought the pressure from ATi stopped manufacturers making
these without a 'crippled' BIOS. If they are back on the market with the
capacity to re-open the unused x2 pipelines this board will be worth
keeping an eye on!

Best of luck with your build mate, BoroLad

Ben

BoroLad wrote:
90% of cooling/noise/vibration etc, and the associated
problems/benefits can be avoided by the often overlooked fundamental,
the hardly ever mentioned, the neglected building block of a new
system - the case
design.

Well I've got a Globalwin GAT-001, aluminium thing. I hope it's good! I
think cooling is reasonable in it.

Hope you get your stuff before the weekend, then let the build begin.
I notice someone on the ATi group managed to buy a "grandmar's" "red
L" 9500NP, cracking card with the capacity to 'softMOD' into a 9800
in mere seconds. I thought the pressure from ATi stopped
manufacturers making

these without a 'crippled' BIOS. If they are back on the market with
the capacity to re-open the unused x2 pipelines this board will be
worth keeping an eye on!


I still don;t think you can turn an R300 core into an R350 using software
alone...

I agree that if you're lucky, you might be able to get a 9500 to be an
overclocked 9700 that might perform similar to a 9800, but realistically you
still don't have support for some of the features a 9800 has.

Anyway, too late - I've already upset my bank manager, my Crucial 9800 Pro
is sitting in the case, plugged into the A7N8X Deluxe already...

Best of luck with your build mate, BoroLad

Cheers,

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

BoroLad wrote:
In article ,
says...
Well I've got a Globalwin GAT-001, aluminium thing. I hope it's
good! I think cooling is reasonable in it.

Very impressive, low speed 22.[ish] dBA should make it quiet[ish],
nice case mate.

Well I've got 4 YS-Tech 80mm 20dB 27CFM air shifters on order too... 2 for
the PSU (which is coming out at 33dB stock), 1 to replace the one on the
side of the case and err.. a spare one :-)

I'm aiming for quiet ish for now, I'll have to see how it goes. The dream
is silent... I figure that 4*20dB is about 26dB - I expect the hard drive to
drown the fans out, but will have to wait and see.

This is my first proper build - I've had two Packard Bells to date (only
'cos I got them cheap), and basically re-done the internals over time. I'm
hoping to be impressed.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

In article ,
says...
BoroLad wrote:
In article ,
says...
Well I've got a Globalwin GAT-001, aluminium thing. I hope it's
good! I think cooling is reasonable in it.

Very impressive, low speed 22.[ish] dBA should make it quiet[ish],
nice case mate.

Well I've got 4 YS-Tech 80mm 20dB 27CFM air shifters on order too... 2 for
the PSU (which is coming out at 33dB stock), 1 to replace the one on the
side of the case and err.. a spare one :-)

Remember to consider the next six months of dust! and fit decent quality
washable aluminium filters on your intakes, over the years I've tried
all sorts of 'heath robinson' quick release methods, but I finally
settled on the highly technical 'blue tack', yes 'blue tack' fitting.

http://www.thecoolingshop.co.uk/tcs/...sandproducts.a
sp?idCategory=5

I'm aiming for quiet ish for now, I'll have to see how it goes. The dream
is silent... I figure that 4*20dB is about 26dB - I expect the hard drive to
drown the fans out, but will have to wait and see.

This is my first proper build - I've had two Packard Bells to date (only
'cos I got them cheap), and basically re-done the internals over time. I'm
hoping to be impressed.

Ben

Amidst all the technology, remember what we think is noise is often
vibration induced, here a 22dB [spec] fan unit may produce 33/43dB
because of its metal to metal mounting.

At the pre-build stage much can be done with the application of a little
thought and even less money. Little rubber grommets [not neophrene or
nitrile] through the metal casing before threading the bolts through can
make an ashtonishing difference to the finished dB. Similarly a rubber
'pad' applied to the 4 hard plastic/metal feet of the case can reduce
the transmission of both noise & vibration. I always remember to take
out and grommet the PSU then replace, and don't forget the CPU cooler.

http://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/part.phtml?PartID=1296
http://www.westfield.co.uk/hc/pv5.htm

Having used 'long rounded' cables since they first appeared. I am a
believer. I have not found one case yet where I was unable to thread the
cable through/between the inner/outer sides of the case thus completely
taking the cables out of the case internals - resulting in no impedence
whatsoever to internal airlow. Bravery with a 'jig saw' or 'dremel' is
sometimes needed to complete this mod. Picture if you will the finished
MOBO where the cable[s] plugged into the MOBO disappear from view at the
MOBO end and reappear at the drive[s] end, the cables are in fact NOT
seen at all.

Regards, BoroLad

BoroLad wrote:
Well I've got 4 YS-Tech 80mm 20dB 27CFM air shifters on order too...
2 for the PSU (which is coming out at 33dB stock), 1 to replace the
one on the side of the case and err.. a spare one :-)

Remember to consider the next six months of dust! and fit decent
quality washable aluminium filters on your intakes, over the years
I've tried
all sorts of 'heath robinson' quick release methods, but I finally
settled on the highly technical 'blue tack', yes 'blue tack' fitting.


http://www.thecoolingshop.co.uk/tcs/...idCategory= 5

Hehe, works for me :-)

I'm aiming for quiet ish for now, I'll have to see how it goes. The
dream is silent... I figure that 4*20dB is about 26dB - I expect the
hard drive to drown the fans out, but will have to wait and see.

This is my first proper build - I've had two Packard Bells to date
(only 'cos I got them cheap), and basically re-done the internals
over time. I'm hoping to be impressed.

Amidst all the technology, remember what we think is noise is often
vibration induced, here a 22dB [spec] fan unit may produce 33/43dB
because of its metal to metal mounting.

At the pre-build stage much can be done with the application of a
little thought and even less money. Little rubber grommets [not
neophrene or nitrile] through the metal casing before threading the
bolts through can
make an ashtonishing difference to the finished dB. Similarly a rubber
'pad' applied to the 4 hard plastic/metal feet of the case can reduce
the transmission of both noise & vibration. I always remember to take
out and grommet the PSU then replace, and don't forget the CPU cooler.

http://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/part.phtml?PartID=1296
http://www.westfield.co.uk/hc/pv5.htm

Excellent idea... I'll have to give that a go. Nice once.

Having used 'long rounded' cables since they first appeared. I am a
believer. I have not found one case yet where I was unable to thread
the cable through/between the inner/outer sides of the case thus
completely taking the cables out of the case internals - resulting in
no impedence whatsoever to internal airlow. Bravery with a 'jig saw'
or 'dremel' is sometimes needed to complete this mod. Picture if you
will the finished MOBO where the cable[s] plugged into the MOBO
disappear from view at the MOBO end and reappear at the drive[s]
end, the cables are in fact NOT seen at all.

Not really able to picture that, but I think I know what you mean... The
case comes with a rounded ide and floppy cable, plus my hard drive will be
SATA. Hmm... the second hard drive... Maybe pick up another cable then.

Cheers for your ideas... I've taken them on board.

Nice one.

Ben
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...

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Sorry for the snip, my reader won't handle the lines!

Not really able to picture that, but I think I know what you
mean... The case comes with a rounded ide and floppy cable, plus
my hard drive will be SATA. Hmm... the second hard drive... Maybe
pick up another cable then.

Just simply that the 1/4" distance between the MOBO tray and the case
sides is almost always able to accept the 'rounded' cables such that
they are not in fact seen at all.

This would also apply to SATA but those I've used thus far are very
short compared to the deliberately long rounded cables I buy!

BoroLad