Seagate 7200.11 High Failure Rate

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like the
orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer. One of the original
warranty replacements is still working, though I'm not really using it yet
other than loading Windows and testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS.
Has anyone the inside scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are and
whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup but
there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a RAID 1 setup now
because of their proven unreliability).

Tony

Tony wrote:

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the warranty replacements gotten directly from
Seagate failed just like the orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has
anyone the inside scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup but there's no way I'd use these drives in anything
less than a RAID 1 setup now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

And if you want a high reliability, they need to be in separate systems.

Previously Tony wrote:
I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like the
orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer. One of the original
warranty replacements is still working, though I'm not really using it yet
other than loading Windows and testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS.
Has anyone the inside scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are and
whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup but
there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a RAID 1 setup now
because of their proven unreliability).

Tony

It seems that when Segate started manufacuring ih China, their
quality went to hell. Currently Seagate has a clear "stay away"
attached. It seems Samsung and Hitachi are currently the
way to go. That may aof course change at any time.

Arno

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Tony wrote:

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like the
orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

You mean my provenably reliable desktop that I have used for years all of a
sudden picks and chooses to destroy 7200.11 drives but not my Maxtor SATA or
Segate PATA drive or other drives I've had in it? I regularly SATA and PATA
drives in this machine to test and setup other users' machines. So, given
all the data of users experiencing high failure rates, you actually came to
the conclusion that my system is bad? Totally bizarre, dude.


One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and testing
configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has anyone the inside scoop on what
the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB
model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

Check out the product reviews at NewEgg. I think the latest reviewer notes
that he went through 8 drives looking for 2 good ones. Check it out.
Something is up with these drives.


(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup but
there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a RAID 1 setup
now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

That's not a logical conclusion given the existing information.

Tony

"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
...
Previously Tony wrote:
I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like the
orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer. One of the original
warranty replacements is still working, though I'm not really using it
yet
other than loading Windows and testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS.
Has anyone the inside scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are
and
whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup but
there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a RAID 1 setup
now
because of their proven unreliability).

Tony

It seems that when Segate started manufacuring ih China, their
quality went to hell. Currently Seagate has a clear "stay away"
attached. It seems Samsung and Hitachi are currently the
way to go. That may aof course change at any time.

The 250 GB 7200.10 drive is getting rave reviews. Has there been a
manufacturing location change between the time of 7200.10 and 7200.11
drives? If so, then you may be onto something.

Tony

Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like
the orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

You mean my provenably reliable desktop

No such animal as far as a new fault showing up is concerned, particularly
when you increase the load on the 12V rail by adding extra drives.

that I have used for years all of a sudden picks and chooses to destroy 7200.11 drives but not my Maxtor SATA or
Segate PATA drive or other drives I've had in it?

All that indicates is that the Seagate drives were more sensitive to the fault.

I regularly SATA and PATA drives in this machine to test and setup other users' machines.

Irrelevant to what happens when the number of drives is increased significantly.

So, given all the data of users experiencing high failure rates,

No one got anything like the failure rate that you claimed to have seen.

you actually came to the conclusion that my system is bad?

Nope, from the failure rate that no one else is seeing, actually.

Totally bizarre, dude.

Nope, dud.

One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has
anyone the inside scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

Check out the product reviews at NewEgg.

None of them have had anything like the failure rate you are claiming.

I think the latest reviewer notes that he went through 8 drives looking for 2 good ones. Check it out.

No thanks, its clearly not what most see.

Something is up with these drives.

Something is certainly up with your 'logic'

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup
but there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a
RAID 1 setup now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

That's not a logical conclusion given the existing information.

Wrong, as always.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like
the orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

You mean my provenably reliable desktop

No such animal as far as a new fault showing up is concerned, particularly
when you increase the load on the 12V rail by adding extra drives.

You're obviously on the defensive for whatever reason. (Trolling!).


that I have used for years all of a sudden picks and chooses to destroy
7200.11 drives but not my Maxtor SATA or Segate PATA drive or other
drives I've had in it?

All that indicates is that the Seagate drives were more sensitive to the
fault.

I regularly SATA and PATA drives in this machine to test and setup other
users' machines.

Irrelevant to what happens when the number of drives is increased
significantly.

So, given all the data of users experiencing high failure rates,

No one got anything like the failure rate that you claimed to have seen.

Even moreso! The latest post shows 8 drives failing for one user! Read all
about it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148316.
41% of the reviews rate it VERY POOR (one star, probably because it may not
be possible to give zero stars). 50% rate the product 2 stars or less. It's
clearly a defective product being delivered for whatever reason.


you actually came to the conclusion that my system is bad?

Nope, from the failure rate that no one else is seeing, actually.

Click on the above link and see.


Totally bizarre, dude.

Nope, dud.

One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and
testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has anyone the inside scoop
on what the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB
model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

Check out the product reviews at NewEgg.

None of them have had anything like the failure rate you are claiming.

The link dude, the link. Read and learn.


I think the latest reviewer notes that he went through 8 drives looking
for 2 good ones. Check it out.

No thanks, its clearly not what most see.

Something is up with these drives.

Something is certainly up with your 'logic'

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup
but there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a
RAID 1 setup now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

That's not a logical conclusion given the existing information.

Wrong, as always.

OK troll. Buh bye!

Logical users who aren't trolls and have the ability to reason, please post
your experiences with this drive model as something is obviously awry.

Tony\

Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes,
the warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed
just like the orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

You mean my provenably reliable desktop

No such animal as far as a new fault showing up is concerned, particularly when you increase the load on the 12V rail
by adding extra drives.

You're obviously on the defensive for whatever reason.

Nope, its you on the defensive when your nose is rubbed in your sillier claims.

(Trolling!).

You wouldnt know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

that I have used for years all of a sudden picks and chooses to destroy 7200.11 drives but not my Maxtor SATA or
Segate PATA drive or other drives I've had in it?

All that indicates is that the Seagate drives were more sensitive to the fault.

I regularly SATA and PATA drives in this machine to test and setup other users' machines.

Irrelevant to what happens when the number of drives is increased significantly.

So, given all the data of users experiencing high failure rates,

No one got anything like the failure rate that you claimed to have seen.

Even moreso! The latest post shows 8 drives failing for one user!

Its no news that some systems kill drives.

Read all about it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148316.

Just another fool that doesnt have a clue.

41% of the reviews rate it VERY POOR (one star, probably because it may not be possible to give zero stars).

Irrelevant to how many got anything like the result you claimed to have seen.

50% rate the product 2 stars or less.

Irrelevant to how many got anything like the result you claimed to have seen.

It's clearly a defective product being delivered for whatever reason.

How odd that the storagereview drive reliability database says nothing like that about that particular drive.

you actually came to the conclusion that my system is bad?

Nope, from the failure rate that no one else is seeing, actually.

Click on the above link and see.

Just another fool that doesnt have a clue.

Totally bizarre, dude.

Nope, dud.

One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and
testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has anyone the inside
scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

Check out the product reviews at NewEgg.

None of them have had anything like the failure rate you are claiming.

The link dude, the link.

Just another fool that doesnt have a clue, dud.

Read and learn.

Nothing to 'learn' there, dud.

I think the latest reviewer notes that he went through 8 drives looking for 2 good ones. Check it out.

No thanks, its clearly not what most see.

Something is up with these drives.

Something is certainly up with your 'logic'

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup
but there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a
RAID 1 setup now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

That's not a logical conclusion given the existing information.

Wrong, as always.

OK troll. Buh bye!

Aint going nowhere, child.

Logical users who aren't trolls and have the ability to reason, please post your experiences with this drive model as
something is obviously awry.

Pity about the storagereview drive reliability database, dud.

Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes,
the warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed
just like the orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

You mean my provenably reliable desktop

No such animal as far as a new fault showing up is concerned, particularly when you increase the load on the 12V rail
by adding extra drives.

You're obviously on the defensive for whatever reason.

Nope, its you on the defensive when your nose is rubbed in your sillier claims.

(Trolling!).

You wouldnt know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

that I have used for years all of a sudden picks and chooses to destroy 7200.11 drives but not my Maxtor SATA or
Segate PATA drive or other drives I've had in it?

All that indicates is that the Seagate drives were more sensitive to the fault.

I regularly SATA and PATA drives in this machine to test and setup other users' machines.

Irrelevant to what happens when the number of drives is increased significantly.

So, given all the data of users experiencing high failure rates,

No one got anything like the failure rate that you claimed to have seen.

Even moreso! The latest post shows 8 drives failing for one user!

Its no news that some systems kill drives.

Read all about it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148316.

Just another fool that doesnt have a clue.

41% of the reviews rate it VERY POOR (one star, probably because it may not be possible to give zero stars).

Irrelevant to how many got anything like the result you claimed to have seen.

50% rate the product 2 stars or less.

Irrelevant to how many got anything like the result you claimed to have seen.

It's clearly a defective product being delivered for whatever reason.

How odd that the storagereview drive reliability database says nothing like that about that particular drive.

you actually came to the conclusion that my system is bad?

Nope, from the failure rate that no one else is seeing, actually.

Click on the above link and see.

Just another fool that doesnt have a clue.

Totally bizarre, dude.

Nope, dud.

One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and
testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has anyone the inside
scoop on what the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

Check out the product reviews at NewEgg.

None of them have had anything like the failure rate you are claiming.

The link dude, the link.

Just another fool that doesnt have a clue, dud.

Read and learn.

Nothing to 'learn' there, dud.

I think the latest reviewer notes that he went through 8 drives looking for 2 good ones. Check it out.

No thanks, its clearly not what most see.

Something is up with these drives.

Something is certainly up with your 'logic'

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup
but there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a
RAID 1 setup now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

That's not a logical conclusion given the existing information.

Wrong, as always.

OK troll. Buh bye!

Aint going nowhere, child.

Logical users who aren't trolls and have the ability to reason, please post your experiences with this drive model as
something is obviously awry.

Pity about the storagereview drive reliability database, dud.

In article , "Tony" wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tony wrote

I have gotten 5 drives and 4 of them failed within an hour. Yes, the
warranty replacements gotten directly from Seagate failed just like
the orginal 2 new ones purchased from an online retailer.

Then the system you were installing them in was killing them.

You mean my provenably reliable desktop

No such animal as far as a new fault showing up is concerned, particularly
when you increase the load on the 12V rail by adding extra drives.

You're obviously on the defensive for whatever reason. (Trolling!).


that I have used for years all of a sudden picks and chooses to destroy
7200.11 drives but not my Maxtor SATA or Segate PATA drive or other
drives I've had in it?

All that indicates is that the Seagate drives were more sensitive to the
fault.

I regularly SATA and PATA drives in this machine to test and setup other
users' machines.

Irrelevant to what happens when the number of drives is increased
significantly.

So, given all the data of users experiencing high failure rates,

No one got anything like the failure rate that you claimed to have seen.

Even moreso! The latest post shows 8 drives failing for one user! Read all
about it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148316.
41% of the reviews rate it VERY POOR (one star, probably because it may not
be possible to give zero stars). 50% rate the product 2 stars or less. It's
clearly a defective product being delivered for whatever reason.


you actually came to the conclusion that my system is bad?

Nope, from the failure rate that no one else is seeing, actually.

Click on the above link and see.


Totally bizarre, dude.

Nope, dud.

One of the original warranty replacements is still working,

All that proves is that what killed the others doesnt kill all drives.

though I'm not really using it yet other than loading Windows and
testing configs. The model is ST3320613AS. Has anyone the inside scoop
on what the problem with these drives is/are

The system you are putting them in is killing them.

and whether or not it affects all 7200.11 drives or just the 320 GB
model?

Its cant be either of those. If they were all failing at
anything like that rate, the sellers would know about that.

Check out the product reviews at NewEgg.

None of them have had anything like the failure rate you are claiming.

The link dude, the link. Read and learn.


I think the latest reviewer notes that he went through 8 drives looking
for 2 good ones. Check it out.

No thanks, its clearly not what most see.

Something is up with these drives.

Something is certainly up with your 'logic'

(Aside: I bought the original 2 drives for a desktop RAID 0 setup
but there's no way I'd use these drives in anything less than a
RAID 1 setup now because of their proven unreliability).

Its the unreliability of the system you put them in thats proven.

That's not a logical conclusion given the existing information.

Wrong, as always.

OK troll. Buh bye!

Logical users who aren't trolls and have the ability to reason, please post
your experiences with this drive model as something is obviously awry.

Tony\

I have a pair of 320Giggers and a newly purchased 750GB drive, All seagate
7200.11 series and they are fine. Running cool using my Antec 900 case with 2
front 120mm fans.