ATi 9800 Pro - what's nVidia equivalent?

Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And, what's
the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?

Thanks

Joe

6600GT agp. It beats the 9800 pro and is roughly equivilent to the 9800XT.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...600gt-agp.html

DaveL


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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And, what's
the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?

Thanks

Joe

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And, what's
the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?


The equivalent card would be of the same generation, not the 6600GT. The
equivalent of the 9800 Pro would be the FX5900 card. A 6600GT is about the
same in perfromance, but pulls ahead at higher resolutions with video
options enabled.

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And, what's
the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?



The equivalent card would be of the same generation, not the 6600GT. The
equivalent of the 9800 Pro would be the FX5900 card. A 6600GT is about the
same in perfromance, but pulls ahead at higher resolutions with video
options enabled.



The FX5950U was always benchmarked against the 9800Pro. It surpassed it
sometimes on the high end tests, but rarely up until just before the
NV40 paper launch when NVIDIA's shader compiler seemed to improve a LOT
and application specific fixes implemented.

Not like anyone's really interested, but 5950U's are very rare nowadays.
You can't find them for anything less than 300USD commonly and I don't
know of any place other than eBay that actually stocks them. The 5900XT
replaced like 4 similar models.

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And, what's
the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?

there isnt one really. From that generation, the FX5900 was the top dog, but
the FX cards were ****.
Current price wise, the 6600GT is a similar price, and absolutely kills the
9800 pro performance wise


Thanks

Joe

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Your response is helpful. I want to
upgrade my Radeon 9000 64Mb card, but I don't need the newest card
available, although I sure would like to have one.

Joe

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Joe

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And, what's
the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?


The equivalent card would be of the same generation, not the 6600GT. The
equivalent of the 9800 Pro would be the FX5900 card. A 6600GT is about the
same in perfromance, but pulls ahead at higher resolutions with video
options enabled.

The FX5900 is a poor equivalent because of it's poor 32bit shader
performance, hence it is signficantly slower in some games.

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And,
what's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?


The equivalent card would be of the same generation, not the 6600GT.
The equivalent of the 9800 Pro would be the FX5900 card. A 6600GT is
about the same in perfromance, but pulls ahead at higher resolutions
with video options enabled.

The FX5900 is a poor equivalent because of it's poor 32bit shader
performance, hence it is signficantly slower in some games.

To be exact; the DX9 shader spec calls for 16 and 24 bit precision
math, which the Radeon does. The FX does 16 and 32 bit precision.
Rather than write two different codepaths for shaders, devs usually
write for 24 bit full precision and force the FX to 16 bit, which is
obviously slower. Or in the case of HL2, the devs force the FX to DX8
spec period.
There are games which were written for both codepaths, like TR: AoD, and
the FX5900 and 9800 Pro are pretty much neck and neck performance wise.
But being as the FX is difficult to code the shaders for, and there are
far better cards out now without this problem, I think most devs will
simply force DX8 for FX cards now.
So the Radeon 9800 Pro is the better choice, considering that flaw in
the FX series.
McG.

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And,
what's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?


The equivalent card would be of the same generation, not the 6600GT.
The equivalent of the 9800 Pro would be the FX5900 card. A 6600GT is
about the same in perfromance, but pulls ahead at higher resolutions
with video options enabled.

The FX5900 is a poor equivalent because of it's poor 32bit shader
performance, hence it is signficantly slower in some games.

To be exact; the DX9 shader spec calls for 16 and 24 bit precision math,
which the Radeon does. The FX does 16 and 32 bit precision. Rather than
write two different codepaths for shaders, devs usually write for 24 bit
full precision and force the FX to 16 bit, which is obviously slower. Or
in the case of HL2, the devs force the FX to DX8 spec period.

Actually for many of the latest 3d games, they make large use of the FX's
32bit shaders, hence they perform a lot weaker than the 9800pro.

There are games which were written for both codepaths, like TR: AoD, and
the FX5900 and 9800 Pro are pretty much neck and neck performance wise.
But being as the FX is difficult to code the shaders for, and there are
far better cards out now without this problem, I think most devs will
simply force DX8 for FX cards now.
So the Radeon 9800 Pro is the better choice, considering that flaw in the
FX series.
McG.

The 6600GT is a better choice compared to both, it has full speed 32bit
precision, more than the 9800pro's 24bit. And performs faster in many games.

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Hi - What's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro? And,
what's the nVidia equivalent of an ATi Radeon 9800 XT?


The equivalent card would be of the same generation, not the
6600GT. The equivalent of the 9800 Pro would be the FX5900 card. A
6600GT is about the same in perfromance, but pulls ahead at higher
resolutions with video options enabled.

The FX5900 is a poor equivalent because of it's poor 32bit shader
performance, hence it is signficantly slower in some games.

To be exact; the DX9 shader spec calls for 16 and 24 bit precision
math, which the Radeon does. The FX does 16 and 32 bit precision.
Rather than write two different codepaths for shaders, devs usually
write for 24 bit full precision and force the FX to 16 bit, which is
obviously slower. Or in the case of HL2, the devs force the FX to
DX8 spec period.

Actually for many of the latest 3d games, they make large use of the
FX's 32bit shaders, hence they perform a lot weaker than the 9800pro.

There are games which were written for both codepaths, like TR: AoD,
and the FX5900 and 9800 Pro are pretty much neck and neck
performance wise. But being as the FX is difficult to code the
shaders for, and there are far better cards out now without this
problem, I think most devs will simply force DX8 for FX cards now.
So the Radeon 9800 Pro is the better choice, considering that flaw
in the FX series.
McG.

The 6600GT is a better choice compared to both, it has full speed
32bit precision, more than the 9800pro's 24bit. And performs faster
in many games.

My FX5900 is getting long in tooth and its fan died. Card still works
fine tho. I replaced it with an eVGA 6800 128 meg (AGP). I'll replace
that in the next couple weeks though with a 6800 GT. Yep, I like *ALL*
the bells n whistles
McG.