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  #21  
Old March 6th 07, 09:38 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:11:46 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
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"John Russell" wrote in message
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"Access" wrote in message
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Will DirectX 10 become available for Windows XP ? If not, why ?

DirectX10 has been written to be an integral part of Vista, not a bolt on
for other OS. In the past the purpose of directx was as a quicker router
to hardware than the desktop. Vista is designed to be more efficient at
the low level, so instead of bypassing the low level, direct10 works
through it.


DirectX 10 eliminates all the legacy support for previous DirectX versions.
This is a great thing since they can concentrate on new and future
technologies. DirectX 9.0m will allow for backwards compatability.

That being said, there is really no reason DirectX 10 can't work on XP since
the foundation between the two OS's is nearly identical. Vista is nothing
more than a glorified XP with a fancy front end. Sure there may be some
enhancements, but probably nothing that couldn't be done in XP and as
efficiently.


The netzines are calling it an incremental upgrade to XP and a rather
small one at that, but that gives no guarantee than any of the stuff
designed to work with vista will work with XP and the fact is it
probably won't. The big difference with Vista is the layer wrapped
around the kernel that takes care of WDM and DRM. I would assume that
DX 10 is designed to work through and with this. It might be possible
that it could be made to work with XP but I doubt it.

Vista will work with HDMI and recognized devices. If you play DRM
enabled content that says it is premium Vista will still play it IF
everything in the stream is, for lack of a better term, HDMI approved
or rater IDd and vista is getting rather picky about system changes
too according to Computer World.

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  #22  
Old March 6th 07, 09:45 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Roger
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:07:16 +0100, "RR Johnson Jr."
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Windows XP is several years old. It is time for for the older operating
systems to eventually fade away. MS Vista was designed for DX 10 from the
beginning for maximum gaming effficiency. DX 10 games will be coming soon
but how soon is unknown at present.


It may be a while as the only hardware that I know of that is
currently DX10 capable is the 8800 series of video cards. It depends
on what the developers have been given for DX10 parameters. If they
were provided with up-to-date specs and libraries then they could have
games/apps waiting to be released as soon as DX10 is up and running.

There are also video card developers promising true HDMI outputs to
HDMI devices, but I don't know who has the encoding/decoding chips. As
I recall the license is $5,000 and so much per chip although that may
have been $50,000. If it's $50,000 that would amount to a substantial
charge per 8800 card unless a great many video cards came out from the
same company that were HDMI enabled.


regards
Robert
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Will DirectX 10 become available for Windows XP ? If not, why ?

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Old March 6th 07, 12:11 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:20:45 -0500, Roger
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:54:43 -0500, "First of One" root@localhost
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Yep, and of course the EU and the South Korean government aren't buying
that.

Then again, there's a running joke in the Dailytech forums that the EU is
conjuring up new fines for Microsoft just to bail out the Airbus A380


I seriously doubt they could get that much out of MS even if they sold
off the company and took all the sale as cash.


They (MS) also took a hit today when the Feds said no to upgrading for
at least 6 months or more. Comment was they had no valid reason and
nothing to gain by upgrading.


Why couldn't they say it was waste of taxpayers money? You get the
impression they are bothered about the inconvenience to themselves, not the
cost to the taxpayer!


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Old March 7th 07, 03:02 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:23:42 +0100, "Access" wrote:

Will DirectX 10 become available for Windows XP ? If not, why ?




Nope.

Bill 'n Steve said so. They want to make pots of Vista. WinXP is passe
as a money-maker. That's why.

There is no technical reason why Dx10 could not have been integrated
into XP as part of (say) the long -promised, never delivered WinXP
SP3.

John Lewis
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Old March 7th 07, 03:10 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:11:05 -0000, "John Russell"
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"Roger" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:20:45 -0500, Roger
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:54:43 -0500, "First of One" root@localhost
wrote:

Yep, and of course the EU and the South Korean government aren't buying
that.

Then again, there's a running joke in the Dailytech forums that the EU is
conjuring up new fines for Microsoft just to bail out the Airbus A380

I seriously doubt they could get that much out of MS even if they sold
off the company and took all the sale as cash.


They (MS) also took a hit today when the Feds said no to upgrading for
at least 6 months or more. Comment was they had no valid reason and
nothing to gain by upgrading.


Why couldn't they say it was waste of taxpayers money? You get the
impression they are bothered about the inconvenience to themselves, not the
cost to the taxpayer!

Now what on earth would make you think that:-))


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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Old March 8th 07, 03:09 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Well, the government will collect and squander the taxpayers' money one way
or the other. It can fund some feel-good program to buy votes, or upgrade
software that brings absolutely no benefits whatsoever.

Microsoft, for all its size, doesn't have a powerful political lobbying
machine. Compare this to other large companies like ExxonMobil, Boeing,
eBay, or any of the Big Three automakers. If Microsoft started using its
deep cash reserves like the NRA does, things would look very different
today.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:11:05 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:20:45 -0500, Roger
wrote:

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:54:43 -0500, "First of One" root@localhost
wrote:

Yep, and of course the EU and the South Korean government aren't buying
that.

Then again, there's a running joke in the Dailytech forums that the EU
is
conjuring up new fines for Microsoft just to bail out the Airbus A380

I seriously doubt they could get that much out of MS even if they sold
off the company and took all the sale as cash.

They (MS) also took a hit today when the Feds said no to upgrading for
at least 6 months or more. Comment was they had no valid reason and
nothing to gain by upgrading.


Why couldn't they say it was waste of taxpayers money? You get the
impression they are bothered about the inconvenience to themselves, not
the
cost to the taxpayer!

Now what on earth would make you think that:-))


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com




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Old March 9th 07, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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They are dropping Dell and going back to IBM. Dell lost
the Federal contract. Every time this happens, the big
18 wheelers pull up in front of every federal office in
the land, and scrap the competition with their own
hardware. Also, there is no Federal "onsite" anymore,
so they mail each employee a PC, and a list of
instructions for setting it up ... consisting of sucking
down images created by TIVOLI .. a keybd logger
.... and having to go back through all the licensing
of special apps. That means .. the image cannot
contain drivers of any kind, and the OS has to be
compatible with years and years of personal data
.... including ip-addresses, logins, security verification
done by offsite admins. It is a total nightmare,
and beyond credibillity. I have talked to Federal
Employees who tell me they have been down for
weeks, and they have to go home to do their jobs,
and get away from TIVOLI which pushes incompatible
updates and crashes their systems constantly
..... with Dell always calling it a "hardware problem"
and coming in and replacing mobos, hard drives,
etc with broken refurbs that make the problems
worse. Add to that the interesting fact that those
hard drives containing all there is to know about
you and me ... are getting stuffed in the bottom
of peoples desks and abandoned. So, the Feds
are nailed to the floor, and they will stay with
Win2K forever.

johns

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Old March 9th 07, 09:17 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:41:12 GMT, wrote:

"Slap" wrote in message news:2oiGh.1218251$R63.821547@pd7urf1no...

"No One" wrote in message
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Access wrote:
Will DirectX 10 become available for Windows XP ? If not, why ?

Currently schedule for late release in 2007 and there are about 3 video
cards on the market that will be compatible.


You make this stuff up? Scheduled for release in 2007?? Where do you get
this stuff? Lets have a reliable pointer.

I'll give you one that suggests you know not of what you speak...
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/xna/aa937781.aspx

The above link will take you to Microsoft's Direct X developer center.
Scroll down a bit and on the right will be a link... "directx 10 on xp?"

Click on it.

There are three replies for you to read.

Now, show me your link.


I'd be very interested in this link as well. While I'm sure MS
intended (or still is intending) DX10 to be Vista-only, no game


Which is what I get out of that link.

developer in their right mind is going to develop for an OS and
video hardware that only a relative few people are using, at
least for the next few or several years.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
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