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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
© 2006 NewsMax.Com
Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design SAN FRANCISCO -- Hoping to leap ahead of smaller rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Intel Corp. unveiled details of a next-generation chip design that it claims will perform better - and consume less power - than today's Pentium 4. The technology, dubbed the "Core" microarchitecture, will start shipping in the second half of 2006 in chips for notebook, desktop, entertainment and server computers. "We're going to ramp it like crazy and deliver it in volume," Pat Gelsinger, senior vice president of Intel's Digital Enterprise Group, said Tuesday. "As a result, it's a better product, and people buy better products." Intel's troubles have mounted over the past year as the Santa Clara-based company has shuffled product plans, managed inventory build ups and supply shortages and competed against AMD products that some analysts say deliver performance that's superior to Intel chips. Between the fourth quarter of 2005 and the same period of 2004, Intel lost 5.3 points of market share to AMD, according to Mercury Research. It remains - by far - the world's largest microprocessor company with 76.9 percent of the worldwide market at the end of 2005. On Friday, Intel lowered its revenue forecast for the current quarter after seeing weaker-than-expected demand and a "slight" share loss to rivals. During the semiannual Intel Developer Forum, Gelsinger demonstrated a desktop chip based on the new microarchitecture. The processor, code-named Conroe, delivers 40 percent better performance while consuming 40 percent less power, he said. "That's enough that you have a chance of beating the competition," said David Wu, an analyst with Global Crown Capital, said. "If it had been a 20 percent improvement, you don't have enough to write home about." -- "To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism their loyalty to family traditions and national identification." --Brock Chisholm, Director of UN WHO |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:00:19 -1000, "
wrote: Even if INTEL jumps ahead again if their prices are far higher than AMDs then AMD could still be the preferred processor for many. An overclocked 3800 AMD X2 next year at $200 or so bucks may still be a far better choice than a $600-800 new INTEL chip unless they come out with a super budget chip that rivals the cheaper AMDs in price and perfomance. If Intel prices are unaffordable, why not use dual AMDs? Aren't there MBs and OSs that can harness the processing power of multiple CPUs? What would happen if you could put 8 Celeron-D chips in one MB and couple them efficiently with one OS? I bet that sucka would fukin' scream. 8 Celeron-Ds would cost about $400 wholesale, which is cheaper than some P4s. -- "To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism their loyalty to family traditions and national identification." --Brock Chisholm, Director of UN WHO |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
Bob wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:00:19 -1000, " wrote: Even if INTEL jumps ahead again if their prices are far higher than AMDs then AMD could still be the preferred processor for many. An overclocked 3800 AMD X2 next year at $200 or so bucks may still be a far better choice than a $600-800 new INTEL chip unless they come out with a super budget chip that rivals the cheaper AMDs in price and perfomance. If Intel prices are unaffordable, why not use dual AMDs? Aren't there MBs and OSs that can harness the processing power of multiple CPUs? What would happen if you could put 8 Celeron-D chips in one MB and couple them efficiently with one OS? I bet that sucka would fukin' scream. 8 Celeron-Ds would cost about $400 wholesale, which is cheaper than some P4s. Hmmmmm. The main complaint about Intel's highest performing chips is not that they aren't fast enough, just that they put out enough heat to warm a house in the arctic in the process. The idea of putting eight cheap chips in a single PC isn't going to improve upon the energy and heat problem even if one could manage the trick. Beyond that there are a limited number of operating systems that will allow more than two CPUs. You can read that as Linux since regular Windoze sure won't do it. -- John McGaw [Knoxville, TN, USA] http://johnmcgaw.com |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:24:02 GMT, kony wrote:
I doubt they really "wanted" to push P4 past 110W, but perhaps better to do that than put out a successor before it's time, before it's ready. 110W is not all that much - about the power of a typical incandescent light bulb. Eventually we will have thermoelectric coolers built into the chip carrier. -- "To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism their loyalty to family traditions and national identification." --Brock Chisholm, Director of UN WHO |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
Bob wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:24:02 GMT, kony wrote: I doubt they really "wanted" to push P4 past 110W, but perhaps better to do that than put out a successor before it's time, before it's ready. 110W is not all that much - about the power of a typical incandescent light bulb. It all depends on your viewpoint. My house is blazing with light, supplied by compact fluorescents, none consuming over about 15 watts. Right now there are 9 of those lit in four rooms. My '486 machine consumes about 50 watts when quiescent (disks spun down, monitor blanked). The P3 machine takes considerably more, and this is an annoyance. -- Read about the Sony stealthware that is a security leak, phones home, and is generally illegal in most parts of the world. Also the apparent connivance of the various security software firms. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...drm_rootk.html |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:01:51 -0500, CBFalconer
wrote: 110W is not all that much - about the power of a typical incandescent light bulb. It all depends on your viewpoint. My house is blazing with light, supplied by compact fluorescents, none consuming over about 15 watts. So is mine. Amazing things. -- "To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism their loyalty to family traditions and national identification." --Brock Chisholm, Director of UN WHO |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:52:44 -1000, "
wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:24:02 GMT, kony wrote: Until those Intel CPUs get here, we'll have no way to know for certain whether there's a difference or not. Right now, Intel is losing a lot of market share, their PR department is likely practicing damage control by trying to imply there will be some benefit for customers to wait for that next great Intel CPU, if they're not jumping on the P4 bandwagon at the moment. Indeed it is expected Intel will do better next go-round, P4 just had to continue being extended... I doubt they really "wanted" to push P4 past 110W, but perhaps better to do that than put out a successor before it's time, before it's ready. Heres the Anandtech preview test that they were crowing about. Actually this is the follow up to it. the first one had up to a 40% advantage in the game FEAR over the AMD top of the line. However in this one they say its more like 20% over an OCed AMD. And they say its not the EE edition of the conroe. I guess we'll see and hopefully the M2 will have substantial performance gains too. Anandtech sounds a bit more subdued in the second test. Still hyped but not as super hyped up as the first sounding as if it was all over for AMD. http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716 I always have mixed feelings about such previews... on the one hand, we are only seeing one next-gen part compared to same gen, so we could expect AMD to send one of their best-of-species chips to counter if/when they get debugged enough. The other issue is as always, that it seems reviewers continually benchmark the same types, even the exact same apps and games. It then appears beneficial to optimize CPUs for these benchmarks and is justified for those using the CPUs for these apps, but can paint an ever-more misleading picture of the performance in other areas. Recall how there was a time when many recommended P4 for video encoding? Use a non-optimized encoder and Athlon XP was faster, especially at same CPU pricing. Similar can apply to all of intel's fortes like content creation, it has a lot to do with the specific app and version of app. I'd really like to see benchmarks where they just assume the popular things were targeted and mostly benchmark other software, and for my uses, especially older software because I'd never buy newer versions of every app with each new system- was the whole point of full software licenses instead of OEM system licenses. |
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Intel Unveils Details of New Chip Design
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:50:50 GMT, kony wrote:
I doubt they really "wanted" to push P4 past 110W, but perhaps better to do that than put out a successor before it's time, before it's ready. 110W is not all that much - about the power of a typical incandescent light bulb. Eventually we will have thermoelectric coolers built into the chip carrier. 110W x 8, for the 8 celerons? No. We were talking about ramping the new P4 up to 110W. I believe it is at around 70W now. It's just much easier to air-cool a sub-80W CPU. You must have some odd stores in your area if the typical light bulb is 110W, around here it's considered 60 or 75W though as much as possible I've been using compact fluorescents. I did not claim anything about the popularity of 100W bulbs only that they are commonplace, like at WalMart. I can't bring myself to buy the premium priced compacts Try Sam's Club. -- "To achieve One World Government it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism their loyalty to family traditions and national identification." --Brock Chisholm, Director of UN WHO |
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