Wonderfully funny Inquirer Intel FUD presentation

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

On 3 Mar 2006 03:13:15 -0800, wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

Yes, as noted in the article and mentioned by me here this is a "very
un-Intel way".

With respect to recent postings by someone called "pigdos", to do with the
two hop AMD graphics connection, I'm suspicious that this Intel doc was
maybe his err, reference for the "question" he umm, "posed" and then argued
about. The question in my mind is whether Intel is sending (encouraging ?)
advocates (sales droids) to post nonsense/FUD like this in technical
forums. Over the past few weeks/months we've had quite a few similar
postings defending/pushing Intel's "technologies" from people we've never
heard from before... usually anonymously and usually a single shot deal.

Intel is getting desperate!

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 00:27:16 +0100, (Peter Bjørn
Perlsø) wrote:

wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

I couldn't help smile, either.

Funny how Intel marketing loves cache sizes and bandwidth but forgets
latency.

Their memory is quite selective. Just recently the first thing they
remembered was clock speed. Now they conveniently forget about it,
but remember the number of cores and whatever other soup-of-the-day.
And BTW yes, they invented AMD64...pardon, EM64T, just as Al Gore
invented the Internet ;-))))))))))))))))

NNN

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:50:46 -0600, Ed wrote:

On 3 Mar 2006 03:13:15 -0800, wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

But Intel is laughing all the way to the bank. ;p

Do they? Judging by INTC performance, many Intel honchos have their
options underwater


Some years ago (when I was a totally newbie) I read Intels FUD and was
sold on Intel, long story short... I was very disappointed with the
price/performance and stability, they fooled me once.

Ed

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:50:46 -0600, Ed wrote:

On 3 Mar 2006 03:13:15 -0800, wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

But Intel is laughing all the way to the bank. ;p

Some years ago (when I was a totally newbie) I read Intels FUD and was
sold on Intel, long story short... I was very disappointed with the
price/performance and stability, they fooled me once.

Some years ago, if you go back far enough, Intel was an honest,
enterprising, interesting and innovative company. The first sign I got
that things were going awry was when they scrapped "Solutions" magazine...
well before the days of electronic publishing.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:18:47 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:50:46 -0600, Ed wrote:

On 3 Mar 2006 03:13:15 -0800, wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

But Intel is laughing all the way to the bank. ;p

Some years ago (when I was a totally newbie) I read Intels FUD and was
sold on Intel, long story short... I was very disappointed with the
price/performance and stability, they fooled me once.

Some years ago, if you go back far enough, Intel was an honest,
enterprising, interesting and innovative company. The first sign I got
that things were going awry was when they scrapped "Solutions" magazine...
well before the days of electronic publishing.

I'm comparitively young. The earliest I remember is the 8086....
presumably you're talking about some time before that?
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer

The little lost angel wrote:

Looks like Intel may get the last laugh on this one

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2713

Wow! The Empire strikes back!

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:09:17 -0600, Ed wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:10:57 GMT,
(The little lost angel) wrote:

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:02:52 -0600, Ed wrote:

Looks good.... the AMD AM2 FX-62 2.8GHz 125W chip just dropped $500!

Yeah, that looks like the good thing (for consumers) is AMD's going to
price back into bargain levels again. :P

Could be, but I don't think it'll get as bad as it did in the past...
Fastest CPU available / Price
09/20/1996
AMD K5 P-100 $82.00
CYRIX 6X86-P166 $256.00
INTEL PENTIUM - 200MHz $627.00

06/30/1997
AMD K6 PR2-233 $495.00
Cyrix 6x86-PR-200+ $103.00
Intel P-ll 266/512k(Box ) $865.00
Intel P-Pro 200Mhz-512k $1055.00

01/02/1998
AMD-K6-233 Box $250.00
CYRIX 6x86MX-PR200+ $109.00
Intel P-II 300/512 Box $790.00

10/30/1998
AMD-K62-350/100MHz $147.00
CYRIX MII-300GP/66MHz $76.00
Intel P-II 450/512 Box $635.00

03/08/1999
AMD-K62-400/100MHz OEM $174.00
CYRIX MII-333GP/83MHz $57.00
Intel P-III 500/512 Box $745.00

I seriously don't see how AMD is going to overturn a 40% performance
deficit of their fastest available against the Conroe within 6 months.
AM2 is just going to give more bandwidth and compatibility with DDR2.
So unless they have been keeping a canine ready in the bag waiting for
a moment like this to pounce forth.

I did percentages for hexus's and 40% seems a bit of a stretch, maybe
Intel is including synthetic benchmarks in that 40% figure?

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4843&page=1
AMD Athlon FX-60 @ 2.8GHz vs. Intel Conroe @ 2.67GHz

iTunes 6.0.1.3, Intel wins by 14.71%.
Windows Media Video 9, Intel Wins by 12%.
XMPEG, Intel Wins by 12%.

- FPS - Games @ 1024*768 / Medium settings.
Unreal Tourn 04 Bot Patch, Intel Wins by 17.11%.
Quake 4, Intel Wins by 22.84%.
Half Life Source, Intel Wins by 24.27%.
FEAR (CPU Max, Graphics – Medium), Intel Wins by 45.60%.

Whats AMD going to get out of DDR2, 5% tops?
Ed

Well, AMD can also go up a few speed grades, and double the cache.
Also there was recently a thread about AMD's plans for a killer of FPU
for Opterons - that sort of FPU may make even more sence in FX line.
All that may (or may not) change the balance. Though I don't think it
will happen on 90nm (except for some speed bumps), and 65nm is a few
months away. But then, Conroe is not yet released, and the
benchmarking was done by INTS themselves, not some independents, so
the numbers may change yet. Anyway, I am glad I sold all my AMD
shares when they were still above 40. My outlook - by the time AMD
gets 65nm released it will drop below 30, and that will be the time to
buy both the chip and the stock.

NNN

Ed wrote:

I did percentages for hexus's and 40% seems a bit of a stretch, maybe
Intel is including synthetic benchmarks in that 40% figure?

Aren't all games synthetic benchmarks? ;-)

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4843&page=1
AMD Athlon FX-60 @ 2.8GHz vs. Intel Conroe @ 2.67GHz

iTunes 6.0.1.3, Intel wins by 14.71%.
Windows Media Video 9, Intel Wins by 12%.
XMPEG, Intel Wins by 12%.

- FPS - Games @ 1024*768 / Medium settings.
Unreal Tourn 04 Bot Patch, Intel Wins by 17.11%.
Quake 4, Intel Wins by 22.84%.
Half Life Source, Intel Wins by 24.27%.
FEAR (CPU Max, Graphics – Medium), Intel Wins by 45.60%.

Whats AMD going to get out of DDR2, 5% tops?

The interesting thing is that the CoreDuo benchmarks show a big jump in
FP performance, that seems to be good for some games used as benchmarks.

--
bill davidsen
SBC/Prodigy Yorktown Heights NY data center
http://newsgroups.news.prodigy.com

On 07 Mar 2006 22:29:41 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:18:47 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:50:46 -0600, Ed wrote:

On 3 Mar 2006 03:13:15 -0800, wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30000

I laughed and laughed.

But Intel is laughing all the way to the bank. ;p

Some years ago (when I was a totally newbie) I read Intels FUD and was
sold on Intel, long story short... I was very disappointed with the
price/performance and stability, they fooled me once.

Some years ago, if you go back far enough, Intel was an honest,
enterprising, interesting and innovative company. The first sign I got
that things were going awry was when they scrapped "Solutions" magazine...
well before the days of electronic publishing.

I'm comparitively young. The earliest I remember is the 8086....
presumably you're talking about some time before that?

No, by electronic publishing I guess I meant Web/Internet publishing. I
believe they scrapped that mag ~1990 - it was a very useful publication and
had a bingo card for getting Data Sheets, technical notes etc., which they
would send to anybody... unlike TI, who, when asked for Data Sheets, would
send a qualification form.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald