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can heatsink/fan blow motherboard/cpu?
I had three no-name machines, each with Athlon XP CPU, no overclocking or
anything, that were all experiencing heat problems (shutting down unexpectedly.). Actually, I first thought it might be power supply, so I replaced it with a good unit, but the problem persisted, so, I went out and bought big thermaltake heatsink/fan combos for two of them. Installed them as per instructions, used thermal grease, etc. That seemed to take care of the heat problem, but after a month or so, one of them just died. Power would come on, I could hear the drives spinning up, but no BIOS, no Video -- nothing. So, I moved all my drives, new power supply & such to the second machine & experienced the same problem -- almost. This time it would boot if I didn't have the network card plugged in to the network, but as soon as I connected the network cable, it wouldn't boot again. I tried swapping out various components, but nothing worked. So, I figured I'd at least use one of those spanking new cooling fans/heat sinks, and installed it in the third machine, which was also having heat problems. It worked fine for a month or so, but this morning, IT died too -- same deal as the others. So, at this point the only thing I'm sure of is that the motherboard and/or the CPU is dead. (I moved all of my peripheral cards, disk drives & power supply into an old Dell 450, and haven't had any problems. I figure I'll buy a new motherboard for one of them & see what happens. If it still won'r run, I'll conclude that it's the CPU & will try replacing that (getting to be an expensive way to diagnose it, but I can;t think of anything else to do. So, the question is: could installing those Heat-Sink/Fans have caused the problem? If so, is it more likely to have blown the motherboard in some manner, or the CPU (i.e., which should I try replacing first)? Thanks, Joe |
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can heatsink/fan blow motherboard/cpu?
I'm sure the motherboard is the cheapest thing to be found -- an Asrock.
I agree -- the whole thing is absolutely screwy. I've been working with computers for a good number of years, but this has be absolutely baffled. Joe wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:04:20 -0400, "Joe Befumo" wrote: So, the question is: could installing those Heat-Sink/Fans have caused the problem? If so, is it more likely to have blown the motherboard in some manner, or the CPU (i.e., which should I try replacing first)? Thanks, Joe Anything is possible. It sure sounds screwy though. What motherboards are they and what CPUs? Frankly after the Tbirds all the AMDs Ive gotten were retail units that came with the stock coolers and they all worked great. None of them came even close to overheating. They ran much cooler than the earlier AMDs when I was using noisy screamer high rpm fans etc. My barton 2500 OCed to 3200 no sweat. The temp was the same either way. Im asking cause maybe you bought some real crappy cheapo MBs like ECSs, PC CHIPS , Jetways? The one from the nforce2 era --- there were a lot of bad caps. I bought some refurbs from Newegg and the Leadtek and some other brands all developed bad caps. And if you do a search youll see lots of Epox owners, Abit and other brands all had them. The other point --- all your systems shouldnt be overheating unless you live in some really hot climate or your room is hot. Or may you are running some ancient Tbirds and other old AMDs. Its rare for everything to go out like that. Of course if it was really overheating badly for long lengths of time who knows. Too bad you dont have some old parts you can swap out to check things. Its getting to the point if you have Socket A it may not be worth buying various parts for it in the US. Some sempron/754 combos are going for real cheap now. At Compusa there was a clearance sale free after rebate on some DDR2 512 megs. I was trying to get that today just in case I move to a Pent 805D soon if I see a dirt cheap deal. |
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Joe Befumo wrote: I had three no-name machines, each with Athlon XP CPU, no overclocking or anything, that were all experiencing heat problems (shutting down unexpectedly.). Actually, I first thought it might be power supply, so I replaced it with a good unit, but the problem persisted, so, I went out and bought big thermaltake heatsink/fan combos for two of them. Installed them as per instructions, used thermal grease, etc. That seemed to take care of the heat problem, but after a month or so, one of them just died. Power would come on, I could hear the drives spinning up, but no BIOS, no Video -- nothing. So, I moved all my drives, new power supply & such to the second machine & experienced the same problem -- almost. This time it would boot if I didn't have the network card plugged in to the network, but as soon as I connected the network cable, it wouldn't boot again. I tried swapping out various components, but nothing worked. So, I figured I'd at least use one of those spanking new cooling fans/heat sinks, and installed it in the third machine, which was also having heat problems. It worked fine for a month or so, but this morning, IT died too -- same deal as the others. So, at this point the only thing I'm sure of is that the motherboard and/or the CPU is dead. (I moved all of my peripheral cards, disk drives & power supply into an old Dell 450, and haven't had any problems. I figure I'll buy a new motherboard for one of them & see what happens. If it still won'r run, I'll conclude that it's the CPU & will try replacing that (getting to be an expensive way to diagnose it, but I can;t think of anything else to do. So, the question is: could installing those Heat-Sink/Fans have caused the problem? If so, is it more likely to have blown the motherboard in some manner, or the CPU (i.e., which should I try replacing first)? Thanks, Joe Everyone seems to agree that you have an unusual problem. I've come across all kinds of screwy, "impossible" coincidences. In some cases, those coincidences turn out to have an underlying common cause and turn out to be not coincidences at all. Have you checked or replaced the BIOS batteries ? Some motherboards boot up fine with a good CMOS battery or none, but refuse to do so with a weak one. |
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A flash of insight ---
These heatsink/fan units were REALLY heavy, and the fans are pretty powerful -- I'm wondering of the weight hanging off the CPU socket might have, after a time, caused a connection to fail in the motherboard? Seems like the only thing that remotely makes any kind of sense. Joe "Joe Befumo" wrote in message ... I had three no-name machines, each with Athlon XP CPU, no overclocking or anything, that were all experiencing heat problems (shutting down unexpectedly.). Actually, I first thought it might be power supply, so I replaced it with a good unit, but the problem persisted, so, I went out and bought big thermaltake heatsink/fan combos for two of them. Installed them as per instructions, used thermal grease, etc. That seemed to take care of the heat problem, but after a month or so, one of them just died. Power would come on, I could hear the drives spinning up, but no BIOS, no Video -- nothing. So, I moved all my drives, new power supply & such to the second machine & experienced the same problem -- almost. This time it would boot if I didn't have the network card plugged in to the network, but as soon as I connected the network cable, it wouldn't boot again. I tried swapping out various components, but nothing worked. So, I figured I'd at least use one of those spanking new cooling fans/heat sinks, and installed it in the third machine, which was also having heat problems. It worked fine for a month or so, but this morning, IT died too -- same deal as the others. So, at this point the only thing I'm sure of is that the motherboard and/or the CPU is dead. (I moved all of my peripheral cards, disk drives & power supply into an old Dell 450, and haven't had any problems. I figure I'll buy a new motherboard for one of them & see what happens. If it still won'r run, I'll conclude that it's the CPU & will try replacing that (getting to be an expensive way to diagnose it, but I can;t think of anything else to do. So, the question is: could installing those Heat-Sink/Fans have caused the problem? If so, is it more likely to have blown the motherboard in some manner, or the CPU (i.e., which should I try replacing first)? Thanks, Joe |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:32:05 -0400, "Joe Befumo"
wrote: A flash of insight --- These heatsink/fan units were REALLY heavy, and the fans are pretty powerful -- I'm wondering of the weight hanging off the CPU socket might have, after a time, caused a connection to fail in the motherboard? Seems like the only thing that remotely makes any kind of sense. Not likely if the is properly attached to the MB anchors. More likely that flexing the MB after repeated installing and removing could damage a trace/joint. Same for mem modules, which sometimes require considerable force to insert. I've taken to doing all CPU/heatsink/mem module changes with the MB on the workbench. When I don't have a spare PS I'll pull the PS from the case to use on the bench. By bench I mean any solid flat surface. I use an extra kitchen table in the basement, well lighted. My "real" benches usually have metal windings, chips and dust on them, just too dirty for a MB.even when clean. I suggest keeping a power switch and speaker from an old case to hook up to the MB. You can quickly assembly and test every component, even booting up a HD if you want. I just had an entire system running without a case in sight. It can be a pain pulling cards out because the MB is free, so I always enlist a second pair of hands for that. At the same time you can give your case a good cleaning. I use a 1 1/2" soft nylon bristle paint brush to loosen dust and grunge from boards and fans, top to bottom, then vacuum it up. Anyway, using a clean piece of typical box cardboard as the base under the MB, after assembly you'll see plenty of MB backside indentations and maybe some holes punched in the cardboard from your efforts. Of course you'll also be exposing the backside traces/joints to the cardboard, but I haven't had a problem with that so far. You can then put your MB in the case with the heatsink and memory already installed, and won't have to flex the board. If you have big hands, this makes everything a bit easier. AGP and PCI insertions always go easy in my experience. --Vic |
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can heatsink/fan blow motherboard/cpu?
Joe Befumo wrote
A flash of insight --- Nar, just a brain fart --- These heatsink/fan units were REALLY heavy, and the fans are pretty powerful -- I'm wondering of the weight hanging off the CPU socket might have, after a time, caused a connection to fail in the motherboard? Guess that might be possible, the vibration producing a dry joint over time. What is the story with how they attach to the motherboard proper ? Seems like the only thing that remotely makes any kind of sense. Dunno, incorrectly installing them all the same wrong way would do it too. The NIC problem may well have been something as basic as managing to set that one up to boot from the net instead of locally. Once the NIC is removed, it skips attempting to do that. "Joe Befumo" wrote in message ... I had three no-name machines, each with Athlon XP CPU, no overclocking or anything, that were all experiencing heat problems (shutting down unexpectedly.). Actually, I first thought it might be power supply, so I replaced it with a good unit, but the problem persisted, so, I went out and bought big thermaltake heatsink/fan combos for two of them. Installed them as per instructions, used thermal grease, etc. That seemed to take care of the heat problem, but after a month or so, one of them just died. Power would come on, I could hear the drives spinning up, but no BIOS, no Video -- nothing. So, I moved all my drives, new power supply & such to the second machine & experienced the same problem -- almost. This time it would boot if I didn't have the network card plugged in to the network, but as soon as I connected the network cable, it wouldn't boot again. I tried swapping out various components, but nothing worked. So, I figured I'd at least use one of those spanking new cooling fans/heat sinks, and installed it in the third machine, which was also having heat problems. It worked fine for a month or so, but this morning, IT died too -- same deal as the others. So, at this point the only thing I'm sure of is that the motherboard and/or the CPU is dead. (I moved all of my peripheral cards, disk drives & power supply into an old Dell 450, and haven't had any problems. I figure I'll buy a new motherboard for one of them & see what happens. If it still won'r run, I'll conclude that it's the CPU & will try replacing that (getting to be an expensive way to diagnose it, but I can;t think of anything else to do. So, the question is: could installing those Heat-Sink/Fans have caused the problem? If so, is it more likely to have blown the motherboard in some manner, or the CPU (i.e., which should I try replacing first)? Thanks, Joe |
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