|
| If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|||||||
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
February 26th 04, 05:34 PM
|
|||
|
|||
NV40 a 16-pipe MONSTER - Too late for ATI to respond
According to an article and several posts I read this morning, the
NV40 is a 16 pipeline design with 205~210 million transistors--up from the 8 pipeline configuration / 175 million transistors of eariler reports. but *I* don't believe this info yet. NV40 as a 16-pipe architecture will *probably* end up as a 8x2. much like NV30 was thought of, at first, as an 8-pipe architecture. then later it was discovered NV30 is a 4x2 (that's 4 pipes, 2 texture units per pipe). now, here's the NV40 article in question: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nvidia NV40 specifications confirmed Too late for ATI to respond By Paul Dutton: Thursday 26 February 2004, 14:52 NVIDIA REALLY needed to pull the cat out of the bag in the next round of its increasingly epic battle with ATI Technologies and from where we're sitting we'd be more than surprised if the next round isn't, now, a foregone conclusion. US sources close to Nvidia have confirmed that their next generation GPU will feature a full sixteen pipelines – not as previously speculated an 8x2 arrangement - and this is reflected in the increased transistor count of circa 205-210 million, up from a previously speculated 175 million. In very recent times ATI have been extremely confident in saying that their R420 - set to launch not long after, Nvidia show their hand – would, immaterial of architecture, thoroughly outgun the NV40. Indeed today, Richard Huddy - ATI's European Developer Relations Manager maintained that their expectation was for ATi's R420 to be, faster, on balance, across a suite of 10 common games than Nvidia NV40. However we think that ATI's earlier confidence was based on internal intelligence that Nvidia's NV40 feature set would be limited to an architecture built on 175 million transistors and that Nvidia would deliver, as anticipated, on the first day of CeBIT in March. Nvidia's launch date for NV40 seems to have shifted backwards, but even a month or so is not going to give ATi enough time for a hardware response. Knowing what we know now about NV40 having a full sixteen pipelines, we sensed that despite some fighting talk, and indeed some intelligent and rationalised arguments, ATi are now hoping, at best for a close fight… NV40 0wnage of ATi R420 coming soon to a store near you? We sure think so… µ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14373 
|
|
#2
February 26th 04, 09:25 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Nvidia's launch date for NV40 seems to have shifted backwards, but
even a month or so is not going to give ATi enough time for a hardware response. In the past, they've pushed backwards and backwards until the missed the product cycle. Let's see how they do this time. Looks like good news for nVidia owners, though. It means another release of new Det. drivers that are very fast (and unstable) to bring up the new card's scores. I wonder how they'll work in my kids' Ti4400. Gary -- Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com
|
|
#4
February 27th 04, 01:12 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, John Lewis wrote:
On 26 Feb 2004 09:34:24 -0800, (NV55) wrote: According to an article and several posts I read this morning, the NV40 is a 16 pipeline design with 205~210 million transistors--up from the 8 pipeline configuration / 175 million transistors of eariler reports. but *I* don't believe this info yet. NV40 as a 16-pipe architecture will *probably* end up as a 8x2. much like NV30 was thought of, at first, as an 8-pipe architecture. then later it was discovered NV30 is a 4x2 (that's 4 pipes, 2 texture units per pipe). Either 175 million or 200 miliion transistors on even a 90nm process will present a huge cooling challenge. Ask Intel and Prescott (only ~ 120 million transistors ). Intel's thermal issues stem from the actual design of Prescott based P4's. 90 nm technologies are not the issue, just ask IBM. It will be very interesting to see how this will all pan out. nVidia is working actively on using IBM's latest processes (and IBM is working with AMD also on a new 65nm process) so it will be very interesting to see what emerges in the GPU world before the end of 2004. Heat management is becoming a very serious issue for both CPUs and GPUs, particularly for the GPUs which are now rapidly outpacing CPUs in terms of both transistor count and active clock-edges. I don't expect GPU's to carry high Mhz ratings since they exploit parallelism so well. It probably easier to double the number of pipelines in the NV40 than it would be to double the clock speed. ATI and nVidia are not affraid to launch a part with a lower Mhz rating than the previous generation as long as the chips are more effecient. PCI Express hopefull will address some of the heat and power issues.
|
|
#5
February 27th 04, 06:25 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
-- Derek "John Lewis" wrote in message ... On 26 Feb 2004 09:34:24 -0800, (NV55) wrote: According to an article and several posts I read this morning, the NV40 is a 16 pipeline design with 205~210 million transistors--up from the 8 pipeline configuration / 175 million transistors of eariler reports. but *I* don't believe this info yet. NV40 as a 16-pipe architecture will *probably* end up as a 8x2. much like NV30 was thought of, at first, as an 8-pipe architecture. then later it was discovered NV30 is a 4x2 (that's 4 pipes, 2 texture units per pipe). Either 175 million or 200 miliion transistors on even a 90nm process will present a huge cooling challenge. Ask Intel and Prescott (only ~ 120 million transistors ). The NV40 is still on 130nm. Imagine cooling that! Still they had plentry of experience - mostly bad - cooling the NV30.  It will be very interesting to see how this will all pan out. nVidia is working actively on using IBM's latest processes (and IBM is working with AMD also on a new 65nm process) so it will be very interesting to see what emerges in the GPU world before the end of 2004. Heat management is becoming a very serious issue for both CPUs and GPUs, particularly for the GPUs which are now rapidly outpacing CPUs in terms of both transistor count and active clock-edges. John Lewis now, here's the NV40 article in question: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Nvidia NV40 specifications confirmed Too late for ATI to respond By Paul Dutton: Thursday 26 February 2004, 14:52 NVIDIA REALLY needed to pull the cat out of the bag in the next round of its increasingly epic battle with ATI Technologies and from where we're sitting we'd be more than surprised if the next round isn't, now, a foregone conclusion. US sources close to Nvidia have confirmed that their next generation GPU will feature a full sixteen pipelines - not as previously speculated an 8x2 arrangement - and this is reflected in the increased transistor count of circa 205-210 million, up from a previously speculated 175 million. In very recent times ATI have been extremely confident in saying that their R420 - set to launch not long after, Nvidia show their hand - would, immaterial of architecture, thoroughly outgun the NV40. Indeed today, Richard Huddy - ATI's European Developer Relations Manager maintained that their expectation was for ATi's R420 to be, faster, on balance, across a suite of 10 common games than Nvidia NV40. However we think that ATI's earlier confidence was based on internal intelligence that Nvidia's NV40 feature set would be limited to an architecture built on 175 million transistors and that Nvidia would deliver, as anticipated, on the first day of CeBIT in March. Nvidia's launch date for NV40 seems to have shifted backwards, but even a month or so is not going to give ATi enough time for a hardware response. Knowing what we know now about NV40 having a full sixteen pipelines, we sensed that despite some fighting talk, and indeed some intelligent and rationalised arguments, ATi are now hoping, at best for a close fight. NV40 0wnage of ATi R420 coming soon to a store near you? We sure think so. µ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14373
|
|
#6
February 27th 04, 08:37 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
As long as it doesn't have six fans, heat up the entire house, sound like a
chain saw and take up four PCI slots  "NV55" wrote in message om... According to an article and several posts I read this morning, the NV40 is a 16 pipeline design with 205~210 million transistors--up from the 8 pipeline configuration / 175 million transistors of eariler reports. but *I* don't believe this info yet. NV40 as a 16-pipe architecture will *probably* end up as a 8x2. much like NV30 was thought of, at first, as an 8-pipe architecture. then later it was discovered NV30 is a 4x2 (that's 4 pipes, 2 texture units per pipe). now, here's the NV40 article in question: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Nvidia NV40 specifications confirmed Too late for ATI to respond By Paul Dutton: Thursday 26 February 2004, 14:52 NVIDIA REALLY needed to pull the cat out of the bag in the next round of its increasingly epic battle with ATI Technologies and from where we're sitting we'd be more than surprised if the next round isn't, now, a foregone conclusion. US sources close to Nvidia have confirmed that their next generation GPU will feature a full sixteen pipelines - not as previously speculated an 8x2 arrangement - and this is reflected in the increased transistor count of circa 205-210 million, up from a previously speculated 175 million. In very recent times ATI have been extremely confident in saying that their R420 - set to launch not long after, Nvidia show their hand - would, immaterial of architecture, thoroughly outgun the NV40. Indeed today, Richard Huddy - ATI's European Developer Relations Manager maintained that their expectation was for ATi's R420 to be, faster, on balance, across a suite of 10 common games than Nvidia NV40. However we think that ATI's earlier confidence was based on internal intelligence that Nvidia's NV40 feature set would be limited to an architecture built on 175 million transistors and that Nvidia would deliver, as anticipated, on the first day of CeBIT in March. Nvidia's launch date for NV40 seems to have shifted backwards, but even a month or so is not going to give ATi enough time for a hardware response. Knowing what we know now about NV40 having a full sixteen pipelines, we sensed that despite some fighting talk, and indeed some intelligent and rationalised arguments, ATi are now hoping, at best for a close fight. NV40 0wnage of ATi R420 coming soon to a store near you? We sure think so. µ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14373 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004
|
|
#7
February 27th 04, 01:08 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
*snip snip snip*
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14373 The Inquirer? Mm, sorry Fox News told me that new Ati GPU was a 64 Pixel Pipeline with 6 TMU's per pipe, so nvidia is so slow in comparison! ... the above just means that the source is pretty worthless and that Fox News might even have more value!
|
|
#8
February 27th 04, 01:35 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
--
Derek "John Lewis" wrote in message ... On 26 Feb 2004 09:34:24 -0800, (NV55) wrote: According to an article and several posts I read this morning, the NV40 is a 16 pipeline design with 205~210 million transistors--up from the 8 pipeline configuration / 175 million transistors of eariler reports. but *I* don't believe this info yet. NV40 as a 16-pipe architecture will *probably* end up as a 8x2. much like NV30 was thought of, at first, as an 8-pipe architecture. then later it was discovered NV30 is a 4x2 (that's 4 pipes, 2 texture units per pipe). Either 175 million or 200 miliion transistors on even a 90nm process will present a huge cooling challenge. Ask Intel and Prescott (only ~ 120 million transistors ). The NV40 is still on 130nm. Imagine cooling that! Still they had plentry of experience - mostly bad - cooling the NV30. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ATIknows all about bad experiencs,their drivers prove that...............
|
|
#9
February 27th 04, 01:37 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
As long as it doesn't have six fans, heat up the entire house, sound like a
chain saw and take up four PCI slots "NV55" wrote in message om... According to an article and several posts I read this morning, the NV40 is a 16 pipeline design with 205~210 million transistors--up from the 8 pipeline configuration / 175 million transistors of eariler reports. You mean like the 5900..........................
|
|
#10
February 27th 04, 01:38 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
The Inquirer? Mm, sorry Fox News told me that new Ati GPU was a 64
Pixel Pipeline with 6 TMU's per pipe, so nvidia is so slow in comparison! ... the above just means that the source is pretty worthless and that Fox News might even have more value! Like most of the information in the newsgroups......................
|
|
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Linear Mode
