Help- hyperx kingston , see post

please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?

Pete Rynas wrote:
please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?


So, like, have you looked at the BIOS settings yet ?

And what does the CPUZ show for the SPD contents of the RAM.
Is it showing as DDR2-800 or what ?

In this example picture, the SPD shows a product that can run
5-5-5-15 at DDR2-1000. That is what the 500MHz means, that it
is DDR2-1000 RAM. The SPD may not always reflect the full
capabilities of the RAM, and thus you may need to use more
than a simple "Auto" in the BIOS, to get your RAM to work
at its full spec.

http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/a...1/CPUZ_SPD.gif

When I get a new motherboard, I spend 30 minutes going through
the BIOS, flipping stuff to "Manual", just to see what
settings are available. On Gigabyte, advanced settings are
hidden, and you need to press F1 or something. The following
is copied from a Gigabyte manual, and you need to press control-F1.

"To access the BIOS Setup program, press the Delete key
during the POST when the power is turned on.

To see more advanced BIOS Setup menu options, you can press
Ctrl + F1 in the main menu of the BIOS Setup program."

The fun begins, once you press control-F1 :-)

Paul

the ocz , no matter what i set it at in bios showed up i n sis-sandra as
pc6400, 800mhz ( iforgot the cas stuff) but i was running it at 812mhz at
times. now the word back from kingston was that this new ram ( i wanted 2
2gig sticks so i bought the kingston) "etreme x" they call it is 5-5-5-15
pc6400. in sis sandra it runs at pc5400? at 5-5-5-19 and 667 mhz- the tech
said it is for "overclockers" who know how to set it and that it has been
tested and ran @ 800 - i just have to figure it out. i don't even know what
SPD stands for and have never had issues overclocking a little , but this
bios is out of my league ! and i never have seen the ctrl/f1 stuff - i guess
i'll have a look thanks paul , anything further would help pete
"Paul" wrote in message ...
Pete Rynas wrote:
please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?

So, like, have you looked at the BIOS settings yet ?

And what does the CPUZ show for the SPD contents of the RAM.
Is it showing as DDR2-800 or what ?

In this example picture, the SPD shows a product that can run
5-5-5-15 at DDR2-1000. That is what the 500MHz means, that it
is DDR2-1000 RAM. The SPD may not always reflect the full
capabilities of the RAM, and thus you may need to use more
than a simple "Auto" in the BIOS, to get your RAM to work
at its full spec.

http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/a...1/CPUZ_SPD.gif

When I get a new motherboard, I spend 30 minutes going through
the BIOS, flipping stuff to "Manual", just to see what
settings are available. On Gigabyte, advanced settings are
hidden, and you need to press F1 or something. The following
is copied from a Gigabyte manual, and you need to press control-F1.

"To access the BIOS Setup program, press the Delete key
during the POST when the power is turned on.

To see more advanced BIOS Setup menu options, you can press
Ctrl + F1 in the main menu of the BIOS Setup program."

The fun begins, once you press control-F1 :-)

Paul

Pete Rynas wrote:
the ocz , no matter what i set it at in bios showed up i n sis-sandra as
pc6400, 800mhz ( iforgot the cas stuff) but i was running it at 812mhz at
times. now the word back from kingston was that this new ram ( i wanted 2
2gig sticks so i bought the kingston) "etreme x" they call it is 5-5-5-15
pc6400. in sis sandra it runs at pc5400? at 5-5-5-19 and 667 mhz- the tech
said it is for "overclockers" who know how to set it and that it has been
tested and ran @ 800 - i just have to figure it out. i don't even know what
SPD stands for and have never had issues overclocking a little , but this
bios is out of my league ! and i never have seen the ctrl/f1 stuff - i guess
i'll have a look thanks paul , anything further would help pete

Well, have a look in the BIOS first, press control-F1, and then
perhaps you'll have some questions to ask.

SPD stands for Serial Presence Detect. All the DIMMs share a serial
bus (SMBUS?), and during the BIOS POST sequence, the BIOS reads out
the chip on each DIMM. The chip on the DIMM is small, and has 8 pins
or fewer. It is programmed at the factory. For your PC2-6400 RAM, the
SPD could either contain timings for PC2-6400 or it could contain
PC2-5300, and the reason for the latter being used, is so that
the customer is guaranteed to have a computer that starts up.
If too aggressive a setting is used by default in the SPD EEPROM,
the computer may crash and never POST. The module maker doesn't
want that to happen, so they write non-aggressive settings
in the SPD.

If the module uses those kind of conservative settings, then
adjusting memory frequency in "control-F1" should fix it. You
can leave the other settings at "Auto", all except memory
frequency, and let the BIOS work out the values. Then,
once you're back in Windows, you can use CPUZ to check
what actually happened. Remember, in CPUZ, that the
frequency must be doubled, to get the DDR2-xxxx value.

These are the interesting ones, I see in the BIOS section of the manual.

System Memory Multiplier
Options are dependent on CPU FSB. Auto uses SPD data. Try manual.
Memory Frequency (Mhz)
The first memory frequency value is the normal operating
frequency of the memory being used;

The second is the memory frequency that is automatically
adjusted according to the CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) and
System Memory Multiplier settings. [ Takes into account
any overclocking - adjust so the memory runs consistent
with its ratings. ]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD)
Manual setting allows all DRAM Timing items below to be configurable.
[ You can set this to Manual, and leave the detailed timings
at Auto for the time being. If CPUZ shows anything is
not programmed correctly, you can return to this menu
and fix it. ]

HTH,
Paul

cpu -z shows 200 266 or 333 @ 5-5-5-15 , but i have the ram in the bios with
+.1v and a few other tweaks , sis-sandra now shows 846 mhz but still calls
it pc5300 and cpu-z only shows to 333 and also pc5300 , but i think it is
now really running closer to what it should? what next , go more FSB and
memory voltage or just be satisfied ha ha ?
"Paul" wrote in message ...
Pete Rynas wrote:
please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?

So, like, have you looked at the BIOS settings yet ?

And what does the CPUZ show for the SPD contents of the RAM.
Is it showing as DDR2-800 or what ?

In this example picture, the SPD shows a product that can run
5-5-5-15 at DDR2-1000. That is what the 500MHz means, that it
is DDR2-1000 RAM. The SPD may not always reflect the full
capabilities of the RAM, and thus you may need to use more
than a simple "Auto" in the BIOS, to get your RAM to work
at its full spec.

http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/a...1/CPUZ_SPD.gif

When I get a new motherboard, I spend 30 minutes going through
the BIOS, flipping stuff to "Manual", just to see what
settings are available. On Gigabyte, advanced settings are
hidden, and you need to press F1 or something. The following
is copied from a Gigabyte manual, and you need to press control-F1.

"To access the BIOS Setup program, press the Delete key
during the POST when the power is turned on.

To see more advanced BIOS Setup menu options, you can press
Ctrl + F1 in the main menu of the BIOS Setup program."

The fun begins, once you press control-F1 :-)

Paul

spd 422.5 , fsb:dram=4:5 cas#latency 5 clocks , r to c 7 clocks trp 7
clocks t ras 20 clocks cr 2t ?? make sence?
"Paul" wrote in message ...
Pete Rynas wrote:
please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?

So, like, have you looked at the BIOS settings yet ?

And what does the CPUZ show for the SPD contents of the RAM.
Is it showing as DDR2-800 or what ?

In this example picture, the SPD shows a product that can run
5-5-5-15 at DDR2-1000. That is what the 500MHz means, that it
is DDR2-1000 RAM. The SPD may not always reflect the full
capabilities of the RAM, and thus you may need to use more
than a simple "Auto" in the BIOS, to get your RAM to work
at its full spec.

http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/a...1/CPUZ_SPD.gif

When I get a new motherboard, I spend 30 minutes going through
the BIOS, flipping stuff to "Manual", just to see what
settings are available. On Gigabyte, advanced settings are
hidden, and you need to press F1 or something. The following
is copied from a Gigabyte manual, and you need to press control-F1.

"To access the BIOS Setup program, press the Delete key
during the POST when the power is turned on.

To see more advanced BIOS Setup menu options, you can press
Ctrl + F1 in the main menu of the BIOS Setup program."

The fun begins, once you press control-F1 :-)

Paul

Pete Rynas wrote:
spd 422.5 , fsb:dram=4:5 cas#latency 5 clocks , r to c 7 clocks trp 7
clocks t ras 20 clocks cr 2t ?? make sence?
"Paul" wrote in message ...

The "memory" tab in CPUZ, shows the current conditions. In
this example, actually running frequency is 334.9MHz, and
doubling that gives DDR2-670 or so. The individual timings
used are 5-5-5-15.

http://xtreview.com/images/amd-turio...0000038979.png

If you're seeing 422.5MHz in your "memory" tab, then that
is a bit faster than DDR2-800.

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message ...
Pete Rynas wrote:
please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?

So, like, have you looked at the BIOS settings yet ?

And what does the CPUZ show for the SPD contents of the RAM.
Is it showing as DDR2-800 or what ?

In this example picture, the SPD shows a product that can run
5-5-5-15 at DDR2-1000. That is what the 500MHz means, that it
is DDR2-1000 RAM. The SPD may not always reflect the full
capabilities of the RAM, and thus you may need to use more
than a simple "Auto" in the BIOS, to get your RAM to work
at its full spec.

http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/a...1/CPUZ_SPD.gif

When I get a new motherboard, I spend 30 minutes going through
the BIOS, flipping stuff to "Manual", just to see what
settings are available. On Gigabyte, advanced settings are
hidden, and you need to press F1 or something. The following
is copied from a Gigabyte manual, and you need to press control-F1.

"To access the BIOS Setup program, press the Delete key
during the POST when the power is turned on.

To see more advanced BIOS Setup menu options, you can press
Ctrl + F1 in the main menu of the BIOS Setup program."

The fun begins, once you press control-F1 :-)

Paul


Paul,
what board are you referring to?.

sorry , the board is the gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L/S3L pete
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"Paul" wrote in message ...
Pete Rynas wrote:
please see post just above this one paul?? where are you ?

So, like, have you looked at the BIOS settings yet ?

And what does the CPUZ show for the SPD contents of the RAM.
Is it showing as DDR2-800 or what ?

In this example picture, the SPD shows a product that can run
5-5-5-15 at DDR2-1000. That is what the 500MHz means, that it
is DDR2-1000 RAM. The SPD may not always reflect the full
capabilities of the RAM, and thus you may need to use more
than a simple "Auto" in the BIOS, to get your RAM to work
at its full spec.

http://www.bcchardware.com/gallery/a...1/CPUZ_SPD.gif

When I get a new motherboard, I spend 30 minutes going through
the BIOS, flipping stuff to "Manual", just to see what
settings are available. On Gigabyte, advanced settings are
hidden, and you need to press F1 or something. The following
is copied from a Gigabyte manual, and you need to press control-F1.

"To access the BIOS Setup program, press the Delete key
during the POST when the power is turned on.

To see more advanced BIOS Setup menu options, you can press
Ctrl + F1 in the main menu of the BIOS Setup program."

The fun begins, once you press control-F1 :-)

Paul


Paul,
what board are you referring to?.

looks like you got it right again , ( the tech at kingston did say this ram
was for overclockers - probably the reason for it showing up as you said at
pc5300) - now that i have followed your suggestions and do show in "memory"
of CPU-Z of 422.5 ( X2 = 845 mhz) so it looks like i have (you) have
succesfully overclocked this memory as it is intented to do and i have
learned from you again ! i wonder how far and to what advantage i should
take it and the processor? thanks again pete
"Paul" wrote in message ...
Pete Rynas wrote:
the ocz , no matter what i set it at in bios showed up i n sis-sandra as
pc6400, 800mhz ( iforgot the cas stuff) but i was running it at 812mhz at
times. now the word back from kingston was that this new ram ( i wanted 2
2gig sticks so i bought the kingston) "etreme x" they call it is 5-5-5-15
pc6400. in sis sandra it runs at pc5400? at 5-5-5-19 and 667 mhz- the
tech said it is for "overclockers" who know how to set it and that it has
been tested and ran @ 800 - i just have to figure it out. i don't even
know what SPD stands for and have never had issues overclocking a little
, but this bios is out of my league ! and i never have seen the ctrl/f1
stuff - i guess i'll have a look thanks paul , anything further would
help pete

Well, have a look in the BIOS first, press control-F1, and then
perhaps you'll have some questions to ask.

SPD stands for Serial Presence Detect. All the DIMMs share a serial
bus (SMBUS?), and during the BIOS POST sequence, the BIOS reads out
the chip on each DIMM. The chip on the DIMM is small, and has 8 pins
or fewer. It is programmed at the factory. For your PC2-6400 RAM, the
SPD could either contain timings for PC2-6400 or it could contain
PC2-5300, and the reason for the latter being used, is so that
the customer is guaranteed to have a computer that starts up.
If too aggressive a setting is used by default in the SPD EEPROM,
the computer may crash and never POST. The module maker doesn't
want that to happen, so they write non-aggressive settings
in the SPD.

If the module uses those kind of conservative settings, then
adjusting memory frequency in "control-F1" should fix it. You
can leave the other settings at "Auto", all except memory
frequency, and let the BIOS work out the values. Then,
once you're back in Windows, you can use CPUZ to check
what actually happened. Remember, in CPUZ, that the
frequency must be doubled, to get the DDR2-xxxx value.

These are the interesting ones, I see in the BIOS section of the manual.

System Memory Multiplier
Options are dependent on CPU FSB. Auto uses SPD data. Try manual.
Memory Frequency (Mhz)
The first memory frequency value is the normal operating
frequency of the memory being used;

The second is the memory frequency that is automatically
adjusted according to the CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) and
System Memory Multiplier settings. [ Takes into account
any overclocking - adjust so the memory runs consistent
with its ratings. ]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD)
Manual setting allows all DRAM Timing items below to be
configurable.
[ You can set this to Manual, and leave the detailed timings
at Auto for the time being. If CPUZ shows anything is
not programmed correctly, you can return to this menu
and fix it. ]

HTH,
Paul