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Well, Blip...
I didn't come in here to get blasted. Just to give an opinion. I know full well who I am that's why I don't have a problem putting my email address on my posts. As for the confusion, the TB is an inside joke. You wouldn't get it. It's attitudes like yours that frequently scare newbies off from these types of NGs, when you really could be adding a valid opinion and doing something useful. As for my qualifications, no, I do not work for GW in any capacity. But I have been building and using both PCs and Mac's for over 20 years. I happen to work for a company with the initials HP. Whether or not that diminishes me in your eyes or not is beside the point. I am simply adding my opinion. And at the end of the day, that's all any of this really is. As for building a box, please read the following: MB- Intel 915G Chipset $125.00 CPU- P4 560 (3.6G) 439.00 HD- HDS 250GB SATA 131.00 Mem- Samsung 2 512 MB 160.00 Mon- GW FP1750 17" LCd 299.00 VC- ATI Radeon X800 XT 529.00 Case- Antec 110.00 PS- Antec 330W 89.00 DVD RW- Samsung 16x 62.00 DVD ROM- Samsung 41.00 Windows XP Pro 199.00 Sound Card- SB Audigy 2 ZS 107.00 Speakers- 2.1 w/sub 50.00 Total- $2341.00 These prices are from Pricewatch.com and are current as of 3/1/2005 @11:49 AM. I used the very same equipment as is listed from SiSoft Sandra on my new 7200XL-a Gateway box-for which I paid $2200.00 incl. shipping. I did pay tax, but so will you on the above amount, which is in addition to the shipping charges on all of those individual parts. Note I did not order from the least expensive vendor. I chose vendors that had more than 50 reviews, which in most cases ended up being Newegg or Xtreme Gear. I did that to avoid vendor problems. Quite frankly it would be stupid of me to build my own box. Not to mention the fact that if I have a problem with hardware, I just call tech support and it's fixed. I don't have to shell out anymore money. TB PSAll flames will be ignored. "TR" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:27:26 -0800, "TB" wrote: GW has significantly improved its tech support and in all of the years I have had to call, I have never spoken to someone with an accent anymore removed from the States than Alabama. Up until my last home desktop ran out of warranty I can say that everyone I talked to at GW TS Between 2002 and 2004 had a distinct South Asian (Indian) accent and knew nothing about computers except what was printed on their terminal to say. Before 2002, they were locals and I can truthfully say that half of them didn't have any more of a clue than the Indians that took over their jobs. However, I can say that I only came across attitude from American GW Techs on more than one occasion while the Indians, if not having a clue, were always courteous. Even though I still have a GW laptop under Business Level Warranty which always goes to a North American Techie that usually has a clue, after dealing with GW support from 1996 till 2002 on home desktops, I finally threw up my hands and gave a reputable local builder a try. I have yet to regret my decision. Two home desktops in 2 1/2 years from him and have had only one problem which was taken care of locally by someone that actually built computers and wasn't reading canned replies odd a terminal and which I was dealing with Face To Face. Yes, it is true that [Most] all the parts come from the same place. That isn't what is in question here. It is how those parts are put together to make a final product and how that product is supported that matters. All the spinning can not hide the fact that GW lost its place in the market due to loosing the bulk of its customer retention (returning customers) on their high end models. The joke going around now is about some bumper sticker (I have not seen) that says something to the effect "I bought a GW once". They now rely on those beginner $399 boxes with training wheels and wide screen TV's to keep their nose above water. My two local builds came with the same warranties offered by GW. The difference is that the Techie is 1 mile down the road and he probably had a lot to do with the hands on building of my specific computers. He doesn't read canned responses off the screen because he has a clue and he's not only from my side of the world, he's from my home town. And that's if I get the owners Techie. Usually its the owner I end up speaking to. Also, I don't think I overly paid for my two local builds. They are both AMD Athlon Performance machines in the $650 to $750 range. And if I had chosen to use their integrated sound and graphics instead, they would have been less. BTW, I think he does offer a $499 beginner box like a lot of the out-sourced-loving conglomerates do. The big difference is.... real local support by a person that has a clue. In closing, I don't know if this is true or not but on a few of the Techie sites a while back, they were posting that GW had to pull its ads where it showed GW boxes being assembled in America.... because they got caught with the fact that they weren't. Now they are showing ads of a herd of people running across a field delivering the computers because they purchase complete assembled boxes out of Taiwan with the GW name stamped on them. I don't know if this is true but I do know that the ads showing a N. AM. assembly line have not been shown since the new ad showing GW delivery herds running across a field showed up on TV. If nothing else, even though the parts are made in GW's beloved Taiwan, lets at least keep our assembly and support money locally... Buy a Local Build and keep your money flowing in your own community. I have had no regrets since deciding to quit GW and support America, as much as one can in a computer, once again. TR |
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I agree with everything you said. But lets agree that "buying locally" is not always buying American. Let's agree to say that [for a few examples] if you are Australian, buy Australian builds, if you are Canadian, buy Canadian builds and if you are Taiwanese, then by a Gateway or Dell. I also noticed that this confused idiot TB quoted your entire message and then in his confused reply to it, slammed you for what someone else said to him. Why quote a message if you don't have the intelligence to read it before replying to it? It only makes you look like the torrid idiot you are. Like TR said.... wherever you are from, buy locally and for whatever TR didn't say, ask the imbecile TB. NIK TR wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:27:26 -0800, "TB" wrote: GW has significantly improved its tech support and in all of the years I have had to call, I have never spoken to someone with an accent anymore removed from the States than Alabama. Up until my last home desktop ran out of warranty I can say that everyone I talked to at GW TS Between 2002 and 2004 had a distinct South Asian (Indian) accent and knew nothing about computers except what was printed on their terminal to say. Before 2002, they were locals and I can truthfully say that half of them didn't have any more of a clue than the Indians that took over their jobs. However, I can say that I only came across attitude from American GW Techs on more than one occasion while the Indians, if not having a clue, were always courteous. Even though I still have a GW laptop under Business Level Warranty which always goes to a North American Techie that usually has a clue, after dealing with GW support from 1996 till 2002 on home desktops, I finally threw up my hands and gave a reputable local builder a try. I have yet to regret my decision. Two home desktops in 2 1/2 years from him and have had only one problem which was taken care of locally by someone that actually built computers and wasn't reading canned replies odd a terminal and which I was dealing with Face To Face. Yes, it is true that [Most] all the parts come from the same place. That isn't what is in question here. It is how those parts are put together to make a final product and how that product is supported that matters. All the spinning can not hide the fact that GW lost its place in the market due to loosing the bulk of its customer retention (returning customers) on their high end models. The joke going around now is about some bumper sticker (I have not seen) that says something to the effect "I bought a GW once". They now rely on those beginner $399 boxes with training wheels and wide screen TV's to keep their nose above water. My two local builds came with the same warranties offered by GW. The difference is that the Techie is 1 mile down the road and he probably had a lot to do with the hands on building of my specific computers. He doesn't read canned responses off the screen because he has a clue and he's not only from my side of the world, he's from my home town. And that's if I get the owners Techie. Usually its the owner I end up speaking to. Also, I don't think I overly paid for my two local builds. They are both AMD Athlon Performance machines in the $650 to $750 range. And if I had chosen to use their integrated sound and graphics instead, they would have been less. BTW, I think he does offer a $499 beginner box like a lot of the out-sourced-loving conglomerates do. The big difference is.... real local support by a person that has a clue. In closing, I don't know if this is true or not but on a few of the Techie sites a while back, they were posting that GW had to pull its ads where it showed GW boxes being assembled in America.... because they got caught with the fact that they weren't. Now they are showing ads of a herd of people running across a field delivering the computers because they purchase complete assembled boxes out of Taiwan with the GW name stamped on them. I don't know if this is true but I do know that the ads showing a N. AM. assembly line have not been shown since the new ad showing GW delivery herds running across a field showed up on TV. If nothing else, even though the parts are made in GW's beloved Taiwan, lets at least keep our assembly and support money locally... Buy a Local Build and keep your money flowing in your own community. I have had no regrets since deciding to quit GW and support America, as much as one can in a computer, once again. TR |
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So now your story is that you are a HP tech analyst who speaks openly on
the usenet about how he buys, and advocates to others that they buy, their computers from a competitor? TB wrote: Well, Blip... I didn't come in here to get blasted. Just to give an opinion. I know full well who I am that's why I don't have a problem putting my email address on my posts. As for the confusion, the TB is an inside joke. You wouldn't get it. It's attitudes like yours that frequently scare newbies off from these types of NGs, when you really could be adding a valid opinion and doing something useful. As for my qualifications, no, I do not work for GW in any capacity. But I have been building and using both PCs and Mac's for over 20 years. I happen to work for a company with the initials HP. Whether or not that diminishes me in your eyes or not is beside the point. I am simply adding my opinion. And at the end of the day, that's all any of this really is. As for building a box, please read the following: MB- Intel 915G Chipset $125.00 CPU- P4 560 (3.6G) 439.00 HD- HDS 250GB SATA 131.00 Mem- Samsung 2 512 MB 160.00 Mon- GW FP1750 17" LCd 299.00 VC- ATI Radeon X800 XT 529.00 Case- Antec 110.00 PS- Antec 330W 89.00 DVD RW- Samsung 16x 62.00 DVD ROM- Samsung 41.00 Windows XP Pro 199.00 Sound Card- SB Audigy 2 ZS 107.00 Speakers- 2.1 w/sub 50.00 Total- $2341.00 These prices are from Pricewatch.com and are current as of 3/1/2005 @11:49 AM. I used the very same equipment as is listed from SiSoft Sandra on my new 7200XL-a Gateway box-for which I paid $2200.00 incl. shipping. I did pay tax, but so will you on the above amount, which is in addition to the shipping charges on all of those individual parts. Note I did not order from the least expensive vendor. I chose vendors that had more than 50 reviews, which in most cases ended up being Newegg or Xtreme Gear. I did that to avoid vendor problems. Quite frankly it would be stupid of me to build my own box. Not to mention the fact that if I have a problem with hardware, I just call tech support and it's fixed. I don't have to shell out anymore money. TB PSAll flames will be ignored. "TR" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:27:26 -0800, "TB" wrote: GW has significantly improved its tech support and in all of the years I have had to call, I have never spoken to someone with an accent anymore removed from the States than Alabama. Up until my last home desktop ran out of warranty I can say that everyone I talked to at GW TS Between 2002 and 2004 had a distinct South Asian (Indian) accent and knew nothing about computers except what was printed on their terminal to say. Before 2002, they were locals and I can truthfully say that half of them didn't have any more of a clue than the Indians that took over their jobs. However, I can say that I only came across attitude from American GW Techs on more than one occasion while the Indians, if not having a clue, were always courteous. Even though I still have a GW laptop under Business Level Warranty which always goes to a North American Techie that usually has a clue, after dealing with GW support from 1996 till 2002 on home desktops, I finally threw up my hands and gave a reputable local builder a try. I have yet to regret my decision. Two home desktops in 2 1/2 years from him and have had only one problem which was taken care of locally by someone that actually built computers and wasn't reading canned replies odd a terminal and which I was dealing with Face To Face. Yes, it is true that [Most] all the parts come from the same place. That isn't what is in question here. It is how those parts are put together to make a final product and how that product is supported that matters. All the spinning can not hide the fact that GW lost its place in the market due to loosing the bulk of its customer retention (returning customers) on their high end models. The joke going around now is about some bumper sticker (I have not seen) that says something to the effect "I bought a GW once". They now rely on those beginner $399 boxes with training wheels and wide screen TV's to keep their nose above water. My two local builds came with the same warranties offered by GW. The difference is that the Techie is 1 mile down the road and he probably had a lot to do with the hands on building of my specific computers. He doesn't read canned responses off the screen because he has a clue and he's not only from my side of the world, he's from my home town. And that's if I get the owners Techie. Usually its the owner I end up speaking to. Also, I don't think I overly paid for my two local builds. They are both AMD Athlon Performance machines in the $650 to $750 range. And if I had chosen to use their integrated sound and graphics instead, they would have been less. BTW, I think he does offer a $499 beginner box like a lot of the out-sourced-loving conglomerates do. The big difference is.... real local support by a person that has a clue. In closing, I don't know if this is true or not but on a few of the Techie sites a while back, they were posting that GW had to pull its ads where it showed GW boxes being assembled in America.... because they got caught with the fact that they weren't. Now they are showing ads of a herd of people running across a field delivering the computers because they purchase complete assembled boxes out of Taiwan with the GW name stamped on them. I don't know if this is true but I do know that the ads showing a N. AM. assembly line have not been shown since the new ad showing GW delivery herds running across a field showed up on TV. If nothing else, even though the parts are made in GW's beloved Taiwan, lets at least keep our assembly and support money locally... Buy a Local Build and keep your money flowing in your own community. I have had no regrets since deciding to quit GW and support America, as much as one can in a computer, once again. TR |
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Poor little misunderstood thing you are..... And now its everyone
else's fault that you are so stupid that you reply to a person, quoting their entire message in your reply and then jump all over them for something someone else said. Next thing you'll be trying is that the devil made you do it. Fess up, you are an idiot and you blame your own mental shortcomings on others... But, it don't make cheese here kid. Let me give you a hint there stupido' 1. If you have an issue with person A then you reply to person A, NOT person B. Duh! 2. If you put a quote of the message you are replying to in your reply, then have the intelligence to actually read the quote and reply to the specific contents of that quote, not something fabricated. That will keep you from screwing up #1. 3. If you want to reply to the whole thread, then reply to your original message, not a single person in that thread. That will keep you from screwing up #1 & #2. 4. Get a brain. That will keep you from screwing up #1, #2 & #3. What a loser! TB wrote: Well... Doesn't take much to get everyone in an uproar. Pardon me for clicking on the wrong button. However, my post was meant for the entire string of messages here, not TR's specifically. My bad that I didn't realize that some folks that inhabit these NGs don't have anything better to do than take offense at what someone said. No wonder America has such a problem with litigation; everyone's ready to take immediate offense to something someone "said" or "didn't say". I originally posted a response in order to address a question regarding emachines. For those of you that don't or can't understand that, go back and read what I originally posted. If you still don't understand, then please find something more productive to do with your time. To the rest that just come here to gripe, get a life! TD |
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I am use to seeing it but undoubtably unlike you, I am not use to it to
the point of not pointing it out to these brain dead idiots that practice it even when they are doing it to someone else. On another NG someone had a good idea to put a stop to this rampid disreguard for any reasonable facimile of intelligent exchange. They suggested that there be a test that must be passed in order participate in the newsgroups. That test would determing if an idividual had an IQ above plant life and if they did, then they could participate. That would "weed" out about 50% of the particiapants and 100% of the misquoters and false accusers. NIK TR wrote: I have grown use to it and have grown to expect it. I have found that |
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I've had three gateways. I still have the last gateway I ever bought
which is coming to the end of its 3 year warranty. It's the poor level of outsourced service rendered under the warranty on that gateway that led me to making my latest acquisition from a local company. And yes, the local company did charge me more for what I would have paid for a component comparable machine from gateway, a whopping big $75 more. Service from someone that speaks one of the two languages I do is worth the extra $75 to me. And like you said, the guy that will service that machine probably had a lot to do with building that machine. Just to have fun with you ---- Buy Canadian! Just yanking your chain there TR. NIK TR wrote: On 2 Mar 2005 10:23:02 -0800, wrote: I am use to seeing it but undoubtably unlike you, I am not use to it to the point of not pointing it out to these brain dead idiots that practice it even when they are doing it to someone else. Oh, every now and then, I'll point it out to one of them, but you have to remember who/what you are dealing with and usually, when you point out what they did, they try to turn it back around on you and make it your fault that they are so ignorant. So the best thing to do is just not communicate with them and leave them to wallow in their own stupidity. Remember, the intelligent ones that you really wish to communicate with can see for themselves what they did so you don't really need to broadcast it any further. It just makes the idiot more rabid. That would "weed" out No pun intended, right? I wanted to ask but forgot last time.... Are you a past/present GW box owner that has/is going to convert one's patronage to a local builder? As I said in my message, I have never regretted moving from GW to give support to a local builder. The price of a comparable box has been very close and the support given by the local vender has overshadowed that of GW's outsourced support 10 to 1 in my experience. And there's nothing in the whole world that can compete with a face to face meeting with support people that actually had a hand in the building of your computer and not Abdul who was pulled off a bamboo plantation and given the equivalent of $50/hr Am to read canned messages off a computer screen. Too bad we can't get local built laptops. Regards, TR |
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